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[schall_und_rauch]

And YES! I have stopped a play through because Isabella was making moves on Fenris. Girl I love you and your pirate fierceness, but you need to go play with Daisy or Varric, this elf is off limits no matter who is living in my house.

 

I can just see that:

Isabella: "What color was your underwear again, Fenris?"

Hawk: +20 rivalry points with Isabella.

 

On another note, I just think bouncing between Anders and Fenris is very, very odd, since the two of them represent the opposite sides of the mage war.

I mean, Fenris will probably freak over any intimate use of electricity spells more because it's magic than because of jealousy.

[Lost_In_Anarchy]

I think he's rude...not as smart as morrigan or miranda or bastila (or vivienne and cassandra I suppose)

Wrex or Dorian? I was thinking at first Dorian might be a bit stuck up like Danarrius *spits on his grave* (It was the mustache. It is twirled and twirled mustaches are usually never good.). However, the gameplay demo has changed my mind. I might be reading it wrong or mishearing the little bits, but he seems to be genuinely helpful. I don't know how smart he may be, but if he got away from the bad Tevinter mage that was his teacher because of their ethics, he has to be smarter than Kelly Chambers who was all naive about what Cerberus was really up to. Granted Kelly got it together, but she is pretty blind to the evil side of Cerberus in ME2.

[fiveforchaos]

I can just see that:

Isabella: "What color was your underwear again, Fenris?"

Hawk: +20 rivalry points with Isabella.

 

On another note, I just think bouncing between Anders and Fenris is very, very odd, since the two of them represent the opposite sides of the mage war.

I mean, Fenris will probably freak over any intimate use of electricity spells more because it's magic than because of jealousy.

If you're Hawke doesn't give a flying fig about the mage war swapping between Anders and Fenris makes perfect sense. 

 

Also I wondered for awhile why I'd get really jealous about Fenris and Isabella, but didn't mind Tali and Garrus at all, despite being far more attached to Garrus. I think it's because Garrus seems to be just as happy with Shepard, if not more so, as he is with Tali. Fenris's romance with Hawke, on the otherhand, is filled with lots of angst and turmoil, while whatever he has going on with Isabella seems to be pleasant and fun for the most part. It tough watching the two of them together knowing that Fenris would never have that with my character. 

[Lost_In_Anarchy]

I can just see that:

Isabella: "What color was your underwear again, Fenris?"

Hawk: +20 rivalry points with Isabella.

 

On another note, I just think bouncing between Anders and Fenris is very, very odd, since the two of them represent the opposite sides of the mage war.

I mean, Fenris will probably freak over any intimate use of electricity spells more because it's magic than because of jealousy.

LOL I love that! Where were those rivalry points? I would have fallen off my couch laughing.

 

Politics aside, I usually play as a mage. I never looked at Fenris' views on magic as much more than an actual reflection of what happened to him in Tevinter. If you only ever see the bad side of something (and he saw a really bad side, not just magic but what Danarius did to him) then it must all be bad. He had no memory of anything else prior to frame it against. So by having him just even get to know my mage, he could see that his perceptions are more about Tevinter and Danarius than mages in general. He is just too stubborn to ever say that to Anders. Anders on the other hand does know magic can be dangerous and gets furious about blood magic. A trait he shares with Fenris. But he knows that the circle isn't the way. Anyone with too much power will eventually keep pushing the limits of it until they end up oppressing someone else. Magisters did/do it to the elves, templars to the mages in their care. They both have a lot more in common than they care to admit, again because they are both so bloody stubborn. Get them blind stinking drunk in the wilderness for a week and they will either come out with an understanding of each other bordering on respect (maybe even friends) or have killed each other. So to me it was never a leap to bounce between Anders and Fenris in the romance area. Their politics may have been different, but I couldn't see an instance in which, if they dropped the stubborn act and really listened, they couldn't have found a common ground that allowed everyone to be safe, happy, and unarmed.

[Lost_In_Anarchy]

If you're Hawke doesn't give a flying fig about the mage war swapping between Anders and Fenris makes perfect sense. 

 

Also I wondered for awhile why I'd get really jealous about Fenris and Isabella, but didn't mind Tali and Garrus at all, despite being far more attached to Garrus. I think it's because Garrus seems to be just as happy with Shepard, if not more so, as he is with Tali. Fenris's romance with Hawke, on the otherhand, is filled with lots of angst and turmoil, while whatever he has going on with Isabella seems to be pleasant and fun for the most part. It tough watching the two of them together knowing that Fenris would never have that with my character. 

I didn't use to get jealous over Tali and Garrus. I was please for them, but after the Citadel DLC something changed. Tali became much more my little sister and seeing her with someone that was like my Shepard made it feel... wrong. I was protective of her, but also a bit jealous because I remembered the sweet moments with Garrus. It really only kicks in if I romanced Garrus then went back to Kaidan.

 

I get what you mean about Isabella and Fenris. It does seem more playful with them and with Hawke it was so intense he walked out. Maybe that is why I feel jealous. Bouncing between the envy of "not being fun" to the heart-wrenching notion that there was something deep there that never got to grow because of all this other drama. Why can't we kill Danarius twice? Maker knows he deserves it.

[Captain_Navarro]

The only female party member LI that I was excited about was Sera, so of course she won't be available to male Inquisitors -__- Oh well, here's to hoping for Leliana or Scribbles.

[LiaraShepard]

Wrex or Dorian? I was thinking at first Dorian might be a bit stuck up like Danarrius *spits on his grave* (It was the mustache. It is twirled and twirled mustaches are usually never good.). However, the gameplay demo has changed my mind. I might be reading it wrong or mishearing the little bits, but he seems to be genuinely helpful. I don't know how smart he may be, but if he got away from the bad Tevinter mage that was his teacher because of their ethics, he has to be smarter than Kelly Chambers who was all naive about what Cerberus was really up to. Granted Kelly got it together, but she is pretty blind to the evil side of Cerberus in ME2.

 

I mean wrex. he seems like a guy who acts without thinking. that's not something I would call smart or clever. the females I mentioned above however always have an ace up their sleeve.

[Mr.House]

The only female party member LI that I was excited about was Sera, so of course she won't be available to male Inquisitors -__- Oh well, here's to hoping for Leliana or Scribbles.

Leliana won't be a romance, already been confirmed. Any returning characters that could be a LI in the past will not be a LI.

[Captain_Navarro]

Leliana won't be a romance, already been confirmed. Any returning characters that could be a LI in the past will not be a LI.

 

 

 

Scribbles it is, then. Hopefully.

[Lost_In_Anarchy]

I mean wrex. he seems like a guy who acts without thinking. that's not something I would call smart or clever. the females I mentioned above however always have an ace up their sleeve.

Oh... Wrex is really smart. He is more tactian than you would think for a Krogan. He sets a plan and doesn't immediately look for violence. He wants a better future for the Krogan. Now Wreav... he is an idiot and doesn't think at all. Wrex has a very sharp mind, quick wit, and can be very funny.

[LiaraShepard]

Oh... Wrex is really smart. He is more tactian than you would think for a Krogan. He sets a plan and doesn't immediately look for violence. He wants a better future for the Krogan. Now Wreav... he is an idiot and doesn't think at all. Wrex has a very sharp mind, quick wit, and can be very funny.

 

well, compared to other krogans he may be smart, but he's still very rude and acts without thinking sometimes.... I just want one male LI who's like Miranda or Morrigan. Who makes plans and whose character isn't easy to read. We'll never get that kind of guys. x_x

[Maria Caliban]

I'm not sure if it's biased or something, but when most writers write a male LI, he usually treats let the male LI treat the female with care. I like the cold and disdain attitude Fenris gives Hawke since the relationship between 2 guys don't have the chivalry factors involved. Female Hawke is not being treated as the weaker sex as the result, I feel like. You can search for it, but David Gaider mentioned it on his blog a REALLY long time ago. Then again, it would fall into the tropes where females like bad boys and nice guys finish last. lol

That's an interesting take on it. It sounds plausible.

[Lost_In_Anarchy]

well, compared to other krogans he may be smart, but he's still very rude and acts without thinking sometimes.... I just want one male LI who's like Miranda or Morrigan. Who makes plans and whose character isn't easy to read. We'll never get that kind of guys. x_x

Maybe I'm biased because I am a sucker for when someone calls me their sister and I was never renegade with him. Miranda and Morrigan were both too cold for me to ever consider for a romance, even once I warmed to them after final conversations. Anders was hard to read, but maybe that was more Justice's influence and me thinking back to Awakenings. Dorian is already impossible for me to read because his Tevinter ties and mustache tells me not to trust him, but his behavior in the demo makes me think otherwise. Solas I can't read at all, but I know nothing about him. His eyes are deceptive like he has something he keeps close to the vest. Iron Bull and Blackwall are also deceptive. A qunari mercenary living outside the Qun, but working for them and Grey Warden fighting with the Inquisitor instead of with other Grey Wardens... there is more there, possibly a hidden agenda or plan to advance their cause. Remember during the Qunari uprising Stroud, I think, and the other Grey Wardens won't stay to fight as they have their own mission. Also, Fenris was very distant at first, at least to my mage. He had a similar ice wall to Morrigan so maybe it is more about who your PC was and the choices you made that affected the perception of their cleverness. I have no doubt Fenris was waiting for me to do something evil mage like and would have put me down if need be... well he does if you side with the mages and haven't built up the relationship enough. But then again, I never romanced Miranda or Morrigan so I don't know how those played out and if they do seem more intelligent by comparison to the male romances. I also didn't think Alistair was dumb by any means, though many people do.

[schall_und_rauch]

 I never romanced Miranda or Morrigan so I don't know how those played out and if they do seem more intelligent by comparison to the male romances. I also didn't think Alistair was dumb by any means, though many people do.

 

The main difference was their different value system. However, Morrigan's core tenet is to be independant, self-reliant and critical of what society has to say, whereas Alistair tends to believe in what is taught to him without much critical thought. So in that respect, Morrigan comes across as smarter.

[LiaraShepard]

Maybe I'm biased because I am a sucker for when someone calls me their sister and I was never renegade with him. Miranda and Morrigan were both too cold for me to ever consider for a romance, even once I warmed to them after final conversations. Anders was hard to read, but maybe that was more Justice's influence and me thinking back to Awakenings. Dorian is already impossible for me to read because his Tevinter ties and mustache tells me not to trust him, but his behavior in the demo makes me think otherwise. Solas I can't read at all, but I know nothing about him. His eyes are deceptive like he has something he keeps close to the vest. Iron Bull and Blackwall are also deceptive. A qunari mercenary living outside the Qun, but working for them and Grey Warden fighting with the Inquisitor instead of with other Grey Wardens... there is more there, possibly a hidden agenda or plan to advance their cause. Remember during the Qunari uprising Stroud, I think, and the other Grey Wardens won't stay to fight as they have their own mission. Also, Fenris was very distant at first, at least to my mage. He had a similar ice wall to Morrigan so maybe it is more about who your PC was and the choices you made that affected the perception of their cleverness. I have no doubt Fenris was waiting for me to do something evil mage like and would have put me down if need be... well he does if you side with the mages and haven't built up the relationship enough. But then again, I never romanced Miranda or Morrigan so I don't know how those played out and if they do seem more intelligent by comparison to the male romances. I also didn't think Alistair was dumb by any means, though many people do.

 

I know, Morrigan and Miranda are cold, but that's a personality type  I'm missing in Bioware games when it comes to male companions. I don't say I want all of them cold and independend and difficult to read and full of plans, but I'd prefer at least one male character who fits with ALL these criteria. Anders for example may be difficult to read, but he's not cold or what I would call "smart". So he misses some parts of the personality that morrigan or miranda have included. Fenris on the other hand is distant, but he's no schemer. And Wrex seems more like a guy who runs his head against a wall. We've never had a guy like Vivienne, Miranda, Morrigan...but lots of females who act this way. I don't know, why they don't give us at least one single male companion who's comparable to them. ._. 

 

as for the DAI characters: I don't know how they turn out to be like. But since Vivienne is the ice queen this time, this place is already taken. I doubt there'll be a male counterpart to her...

[Lost_In_Anarchy]

The main difference was their different value system. However, Morrigan's core tenet is to be independant, self-reliant and critical of what society has to say, whereas Alistair tends to believe in what is taught to him without much critical thought. So in that respect, Morrigan comes across as smarter.

Hmm, well then if Dorian is a romance he should fit this bill just from the little we know about him. He stepped away from his master because he didn't agree with what he was doing (if I remembering correctly, but I am on a serious sugar buzz from too much birthday cake) so that only would fit the independent, self reliant, and critical of what society has to say. But then that means Alistair fits too once he is hardened because he stops doing what he is told and does what he wants/ thinks is right. I have been very pleased with all the male romances in the past and I doubt I will be disappointed now no matter who is available. Every Bioware LI I have ever had, has been layered to me, deep and smart in their own ways. I could be a real sucker too since I would put Fenris right alongside Morrigan in terms of that hard exterior forged in the fires of life. But some people just don't like him and I have never really understood the depth of their dislike. :S I can't think of any companion, possible LI, that I have hated to the core. Once I fully took the time to talk to them, I could always see their side of things and respect it. That again, to point to my earlier comments about other things, is why I think the mystery of knowing who exactly the romances are is good. It forces people to actually talk to all their companions. So much context can be missed if you only want to chat with the one you want to love.

 

Both Miranda and Morrigan had a vulnerable side, if you talked to them enough I remember. So I guess back to the first bit, just because Dorian looks like he may as I said "be a lost kitten in the rain in need of pets and milk", doesn't mean he can't be an independent thinker willing to criticize you if he disagrees with something you do while remaining slightly distant until you really get to know him. I could actually say the same about Miranda when she talks about her sister or her self esteem about her genes or even Morrigan when she talks about the mirror. In those moments, when that wall is down... they are like lost kittens in need of some positive affection, romantic or just kind.

[ClassicBox]

"Cassandra: Straight

Scribbles: Bisexual

Sera: Lesbian

 

Cullen: Straight

DHMG: Gay (now Dorian)

Solas: Bisexual"

 

My list still stands! At this point I'm definitely thinking Solas will be bisexual or not a romance. I don't personally care if they make both elves homosexual but I can see a lot of people in the forums raging over that. And if he is straight, then elves would only be available to a female. Which I don't see them doing (but who knows?) I think Vivienne might also be a romance (straight or bi) and I'm adding IB as bi. If Viv is a romance, I see her more being straight and Cassandra bi but I don't know. I just don't know.

 

Like before, all wild speculation added to the fact that I'm a terrible guesser. 

[Lost_In_Anarchy]

I know, Morrigan and Miranda are cold, but that's a personality type  I'm missing in Bioware games when it comes to male companions. I don't say I want all of them cold and independend and difficult to read and full of plans, but I'd prefer at least one male character who fits with ALL these criteria. Anders for example may be difficult to read, but he's not cold or what I would call "smart". So he misses some parts of the personality that morrigan or miranda have included. Fenris on the other hand is distant, but he's no schemer. And Wrex seems more like a guy who runs his head against a wall. We've never had a guy like Vivienne, Miranda, Morrigan...but lots of females who act this way. I don't know, why they don't give us at least one single male companion who's comparable to them. ._. 

 

as for the DAI characters: I don't know how they turn out to be like. But since Vivienne is the ice queen this time, this place is already taken. I doubt there'll be a male counterpart to her...

Hmm, I'm trying to think of any males characters that meet all those criteria and I am drawing a blank. Not just love interests, but males in general. So maybe it is more about conveying a steely strength within female characters that is harder to quantify than with male characters. Kind of like what Mordin says about species being easier to read than humans... you look a female and think she is weak so to show she isn't while not seeming a threat she is cold. Men do the opposite, you look at them and think strong and to show the opposite so he's not perceived a threat he's aloof or distant. It's the "so they never see me coming" thing Mordin talks about. So I'm not sure you could have a male who was icy and scheming all the time like Morrigan without him just never being trusted and just being killed the first time out that you could. You could have a male who is scheming while smiling at you or you could have someone like Fenris who is distant, but isn't plotting to have a god baby on you, but all of them together? Hmm, I dunno how I would make that work if I were writing it without having people just loathe him from the start. The LIs you have referenced aren't the only medium that does that split with male vs female characters. I immediately thought of Regina vs Hook on Once Upon a Time. She is cold, distant, calculating and always plotting. He is cheeky, flirty, but was always plotting. Whenever he was cold, it was almost too cold. Approachability may be the underlining factor. Morrigan you want to know why she is that way. But a male, you might not care. I am reminded of how many people see Fenris as "too broody" and that made him annoying to them. I didn't ever see him that way, but that may be why they tone down the characteristics you are hoping to see in a potential LI. They may have decided to chuck that book out the window though with whomever we get in this game however. If they do and say it is Dorian, I hope that people will actually take them time to get to know him before saying he is just awful and ignoring him. I do honestly believe in the depth to the characters all the way through this series and I am certain it will continue here. I'm immediately thinking of Cullen. How his past that we are aware of from the circle to Kirkwall will have affected his behavior come the Inquisition. I can see him being very distant, reluctant to trust anyone and honestly could you blame him. I can also see him always having a back up plan should you get out of control. The events going on are far too important for him to just sit idly by as an adviser. You may have your wish in that once stuttering templar who ran away from the female mage he had a crush on.

[Lost_In_Anarchy]

 

"Cassandra: Straight

Scribbles: Bisexual

Sera: Lesbian

 

Cullen: Straight

DHMG: Gay (now Dorian)

Solas: Bisexual"

 

My list still stands! At this point I'm definitely thinking Solas will be bisexual or not a romance. I don't personally care if they make both elves homosexual but I can see a lot of people in the forums raging over that. And if he is straight, then elves would only be available to a female. Which I don't see them doing (but who knows?) I think Vivienne might also be a romance (straight or bi) and I'm adding IB as bi. If Viv is a romance, I see her more being straight and Cassandra bi but I don't know. I just don't know.

 

Like before, all wild speculation added to the fact that I'm a terrible guesser. 

 

Your list matches mine with the exception of Scribbles. I have her as a possible heterosexual romance. I also have Vivienne on mine as Bisexual and Blackwall as heterosexual (he is the Thane of my list) instead of Iron Bull for a 2/2/2/2 add up. Iron Bull would be nice for a qunari inquisitor though. So if you're a terrible guesser, I'm sitting beside you in the boat

[Cecilia L]

How about

 

Sera: Lesbian, confirmed

Cassandra: Straight

Scribbles: Bi

 

Dorian: Gay

Cullen: Straight

Iron Bull: Bi

 

Solas: Bonus bisexual male?

 

Viv and Blackwall: Samara/Avaline type "romances"

[Hellion Rex]

How about

 

Sera: Lesbian, confirmed

Cassandra: Straight

Scribbles: Bi

 

Dorian: Gay

Cullen: Straight

Iron Bull: Bi

 

Solas: Bonus bisexual male?

 

Viv and Blackwall: Samara/Avaline type "romances"

Flip Cass and Scribs and I am totally down with that.

[AresKeith]

How about

 

Sera: Lesbian, confirmed

Cassandra: Straight

Scribbles: Bi

 

Dorian: Gay

Cullen: Straight

Iron Bull: Bi

 

Solas: Bonus bisexual male?

 

Viv and Blackwall: Samara/Avaline type "romances"

 

I actually like this, minus Blackwall  lol

[TheodoricFriede]

Its more then likely that the Bisexual romance options are the Non-Party member characters. Thats a good way to defend against people complaining that the gay characters were sidelined.

 

For the females its probably:

Straight: Casandra

 

Bi: "Scribbles"

 

Lesbian: Sera

 

For the men:

Straight: Dorian or Solas

 

Bi: Cullen

 

Gay: Dorian or Solas.

 

 

As much as i want character like Varric or Iron Bull to be available, i dont think theres a chance in hell.

 

Same with Viviene, but m not shedding any tears over her.

[LiaraShepard]

Hmm, I'm trying to think of any males characters that meet all those criteria and I am drawing a blank. Not just love interests, but males in general. So maybe it is more about conveying a steely strength within female characters that is harder to quantify than with male characters. Kind of like what Mordin says about species being easier to read than humans... you look a female and think she is weak so to show she isn't while not seeming a threat she is cold. Men do the opposite, you look at them and think strong and to show the opposite so he's not perceived a threat he's aloof or distant. It's the "so they never see me coming" thing Mordin talks about. So I'm not sure you could have a male who was icy and scheming all the time like Morrigan without him just never being trusted and just being killed the first time out that you could. You could have a male who is scheming while smiling at you or you could have someone like Fenris who is distant, but isn't plotting to have a god baby on you, but all of them together? Hmm, I dunno how I would make that work if I were writing it without having people just loathe him from the start. The LIs you have referenced aren't the only medium that does that split with male vs female characters. I immediately thought of Regina vs Hook on Once Upon a Time. She is cold, distant, calculating and always plotting. He is cheeky, flirty, but was always plotting. Whenever he was cold, it was almost too cold. Approachability may be the underlining factor. Morrigan you want to know why she is that way. But a male, you might not care. I am reminded of how many people see Fenris as "too broody" and that made him annoying to them. I didn't ever see him that way, but that may be why they tone down the characteristics you are hoping to see in a potential LI. They may have decided to chuck that book out the window though with whomever we get in this game however. If they do and say it is Dorian, I hope that people will actually take them time to get to know him before saying he is just awful and ignoring him. I do honestly believe in the depth to the characters all the way through this series and I am certain it will continue here. I'm immediately thinking of Cullen. How his past that we are aware of from the circle to Kirkwall will have affected his behavior come the Inquisition. I can see him being very distant, reluctant to trust anyone and honestly could you blame him. I can also see him always having a back up plan should you get out of control. The events going on are far too important for him to just sit idly by as an adviser. You may have your wish in that once stuttering templar who ran away from the female mage he had a crush on.

 

but let's be honest. it was very obvious, that morrigan and miranda had plans. I always knew, there was something coming. I just didn't know what it was. and lots of women are known to be schemers in literature and films and games. It gets soooo boring. I think it's a common characteristic of females to be manipulative whereas it's more common for guys to be physically aggressive or kind and friendly. So actually, it should be the opposite of what you said to make us feel surprised. females would be more difficult to see through if they behaved the usual way: emotional, weak, nice, kind...because we wouldn't see something different coming. Everytime I see a woman like Morrigan I think: well, the thousandth cold heartless manipulative scheming female character... and it never ends...

[wright1978]

Its more then likely that the Bisexual romance options are the Non-Party member characters. Thats a good way to defend against people complaining that the gay characters were sidelined.
 
For the females its probably:
Straight: Casandra
 
Bi: "Scribbles"
 
Lesbian: Sera
 
For the men:
Straight: Dorian or Solas
 
Bi: Cullen
 
Gay: Dorian or Solas.
 
 
As much as i want character like Varric or Iron Bull to be available, i dont think theres a chance in hell.
 
Same with Viviene, but m not shedding any tears over her.

Agree that is most likely line up. I'll be deeply unhappy at the removal of companion li choice via npc substitution if it turns out to be true.