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[Lost_In_Anarchy]

Lol, maybe he just didn't find a male mage Warden attractive?

I don't know. I've seen some nice looking male wardens. But it was pretty dark in the circle tower.

Thats fair enough, but there was also a time in which Anders mentioned how he wanted a "Nice Girl" to run away with.

 

And a time when Qunari didnt have horns.

True. I thought Qunari always had horns, or so they said, just that Sten is religion Qunari and not grey ones Qunari? I might have miss read that. I guess I am just hoping that it will make sense in the end if Cullen is Bisexual. I remember when Kaidan was shown to be Bisexual and I just didn't get why other than to add another romance for homosexual gamers, which is great. They had been shorted for LIs for 2 games already. Cortez alone wasn't right and I know he was supposed to be a male option in 1 but it was cut, bigger shame. I just wish that there was one line changed and it would have all clicked with me. It was when he was talking about the doctor who had made him "her pet project" and he has this kind of giggle before he says it. If he had said 'his pet project' with that same giggle before it, I wouldn't have even batted an eye at Kaidan telling male Shep he liked him. But since I had never seen any sign prior to that, mainly because I was playing as Femshep usually so I knew his history with Rana, it just never gelled. I will say however that once they enter the romance, maleshep and Kaidan are perfect together. I like them together better than with my femShep. They are a great compliment to one another. And with Anders, I always assumed that most mages were pansexual. That physical attraction was based off personality rather than appearance or gender because of their close quarters and limited freedoms. To steal a line from Matriarch Althea "you find comfort in whatever arms will hold you" and I would think being locked away from the rest of the world, taken from your family, you would need comfort. If your body can't be free, your soul can and souls have no gender or race. I took it that Anders leaned toward women, but had been with males, elves, maybe even a dwarf or two when he would escape. I think he does make a bit of a flirt to your female warden no matter her race. So Anders was never heterosexual to me.

[Hellion Rex]

You know, one thing I'm curious about is when and how they decide a character will be romancable.

Morrigan was always meant to show the dangerous/seductive side of magic and present the Dark Ritual, so she was likely made with the assumption she'd be a romance. Going into DA II, they probably realized that Isabela would be available for romance.

Verric was originally more sleazy, and I think Mary expressed surprise at the level of interest people had. We all know that the ME team never imagined female players would be attracted to Garrus.

Are all the characters made and then they pick the LIs? Do they come up with a concept and writer in charge of a character knows immediately that they want them to be available/not available?

Gaider actually went into the process during the GaymerX panels from last year

 

 

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TI7rAPhaxM&list=PLcF_0Vo0COsTEyst-iOX23S1nOHi1NIv5&index=4

[The Elder King]

And I'd like the straight LI to be the stationary NPC romance rather than the minorities.

The two homosexual LI are in the parte. Are you referring to bisexuals? True, the bisexual LI will be the NPC one, but bisexuals got more romances then everyone else. And the advisors aren't static at all, as shown in the recent videos.
I honestly Couldn't care less about it. I roleplay characters with different genders and sexualities. It's just seem better to me this way. I supported having homosexuals companions, I don't see why I shouldn't support straight companions.

[Dean_the_Young]

Does David lead new romance writers to the back room, crack his knuckles, cackle to himself, and then say “Take notes, this is how you make them suffer!”… or does he just hold forth in the middle of the writers' pit?

 

 

I wonder. I could see it something like planning guidance we give analysts on research projects: you don't tell them what to say or how to say it, but you give a general direction and broad constraints.

 

When it comes to male LI's, 'nothing that could possibly be construed as forcing themselves on the protagonist' is an obvious guideline.

 

A gender flipped Miranda could be seen as more threatening (genetically perfect, highly intelligent, always in control) to the presumed male Shepard. And Mass Effect is blatant about it being a power fantasy.

 

True. Call it the privilege of a sheltered video game upbringing (and avoiding many of the worse/worst games out there), but I never felt particularly offended by a video game romance scenario until ME2's. It annoyed me on a number of levels.

 

 

But the prospect of a gender-flipped Miranda does amuse me. Now I have two things on my Bioware LI wish list: a yandere, and a hypercompetent, hypercapable, and assertive male LI.
 

I believe the ME writing staff was all male originally. It may be as simple as them having specific tastes in women while only having a more general nice-guyish idea of what would appeal to women.

 

 

Proving once more that men don't know what women want, except by accident or making enough guesses that one of them turns out to be right.

[Ryzaki]

Zevran openly flirts with the Dude and Lady Wardens upon their first meeting (the ambush).  I cannot remember if you have to initiate the first flirt with him or if he just compliments/flirts about how handsome or beautiful the Warden is without prompt.  But once recruited, he does compliment/flirt with Dude Warden.  If I remember correctly, he even has a conversation line that is basically, "Hey, should I stop being flirty, bro?"  To suss out if the Dude Warden is interested in him, doesn't care, or doesn't want that kind of attention from him.  If you tell him to stop, he never does any kind of flirty behavior toward you again.  

 

I think he has a variation of that if the warden's female. At least I know I picked the knock it off options. Though I can't avoid the deadly sex goddess and warm your bed comments during his recruitment really didn't do anything for my warden not silting his throat.

[Dean_the_Young]

You know, one thing I'm curious about is when and how they decide a character will be romancable.

Morrigan was always meant to show the dangerous/seductive side of magic and present the Dark Ritual, so she was likely made with the assumption she'd be a romance. Going into DA II, they probably realized that Isabela would be available for romance.

Verric was originally more sleazy, and I think Mary expressed surprise at the level of interest people had. We all know that the ME team never imagined female players would be attracted to Garrus.

Are all the characters made and then they pick the LIs? Do they come up with a concept and writer in charge of a character knows immediately that they want them to be available/not available?

 

IIRC, Gaider has mentioned that picking out the LI's comes later in the process. First comes the gameplay considerations for a balanced team (we need these classes), then come the general story focuses for the characters to fit them within the story and their intended themes, and then from among those comes the LI game.

 

I don't know about sleazy, but one of the devs (Mary again?) once made a decently detailed post about why they thought he would have been a bad romance option. It came down to the fact that there was no drama or delimma associated with him to cause the stress for the romance. Varric the unkillable and undismissable was always supposed to be a non-controversial person with no real barriers to remaining with Hawke, which caused a problem for writing a romance arc because there was no real reason why it couldn't happen (and thus would be a poor and tension-less story arc), compared to the other LI's whose arcs included them overcoming some sort of barrier to being with Hawke (past trauma and what have you).

 

It was an interesting argument from a writer's perspective. Not sure how much I bought into it- I found the least dramatic romances of ME to be the most enjoyable- but it was eye-opening.

[Lost_In_Anarchy]

well, I don't think people would rage against it if it's done well. Maybe its a problem in video games, because most gamers are male and straight. And lots of male gamers want their main character to be the alpha man in the group. I think that's the reason, why male companions don't fit with the criteria that female characters have. If a female companion is cold, heartless and scheming, she's considered as sexy and intriguing, a male companion, however, wouldn't activate the same feelings in men. There would be a higher pressure of competition if there was another man who's as smart as the hero and who's cold blooded, scheming and always with better arguments.

 

but since I'm a woman, I'd love to have a scheming cold hearted male character the same way in which a straight man loves a female character who's as fascinating as morrigan.

I can't argue with this at all. I agree with you. Call it the massive quantity of sugar coursing through my veins or a gut instinct, but I think Cullen might actually go down this path. If anyone deserves to be cold and planning something, it is him. Between the events at the circle and then seeing his own commander lose her mind, he has a fantastic reason to give two birds up to the world and do his own thing while making sure to keep a vigilant eye on this person who just strode out of the Fade with glowing hands.

 

I have seen a lot hate for Cullen, but my gut says he is going to be the most intricate, kick butt character we have had to date. Then again I could just be on a seriously sugar high

[LiaraShepard]

I can't argue with this at all. I agree with you. Call it the massive quantity of sugar coursing through my veins or a gut instinct, but I think Cullen might actually go down this path. If anyone deserves to be cold and planning something, it is him. Between the events at the circle and then seeing his own commander lose her mind, he has a fantastic reason to give two birds up to the world and do his own thing while making sure to keep a vigilant eye on this person who just strode out of the Fade with glowing hands.

 

;__; But I bet he'll be only available to female gamers and I prefer m/m romances. okay...I have to wait and see. as for the lesbian romance option I would have preferred Vivienne, because we never had a gay girl with her attitude. Those girls always have been heterosexual. Sera however, seems so typical to me and reminds me of leliana, samantha trayner and kelly. I'm actually not that happy with her being the lesbian romance option.

[Lost_In_Anarchy]

;__; But I bet he'll be only available to female gamers and I prefer m/m romances. okay...I have to wait and see. as for the lesbian romance option I would have preferred Vivienne, because we never had a gay girl with her attitude. Those girls always have been heterosexual. Sera however, seems so typical to me and reminds me of leliana, samantha trayner and kelly. I'm actually not that happy with her being the lesbian romance option.

I get ya. I think Vivienne will be a romance and she will be bisexual. I know that's not a lesbian exclusive romance, but she will be different from other bisexual female romances. Though in the trailer they just released she did this backward head turn death glare that reminded me of Liara starring down Javik when he said Salarians used to eat flies. I always kinda wondered why Miranda wasn't a bisexual option to be honest. Dorian I believe will be a homosexual romance though he may be more on the cocky side than the cold, calculating side. :S

[Twilight_Princess]

IIRC, Gaider has mentioned that picking out the LI's comes later in the process. First comes the gameplay considerations for a balanced team (we need these classes), then come the general story focuses for the characters to fit them within the story and their intended themes, and then from among those comes the LI game.

 

I don't know about sleazy, but one of the devs (Mary again?) once made a decently detailed post about why they thought he would have been a bad romance option. It came down to the fact that there was no drama or delimma associated with him to cause the stress for the romance. Varric the unkillable and undismissable was always supposed to be a non-controversial person with no real barriers to remaining with Hawke, which caused a problem for writing a romance arc because there was no real reason why it couldn't happen (and thus would be a poor and tension-less story arc), compared to the other LI's whose arcs included them overcoming some sort of barrier to being with Hawke (past trauma and what have you).

 

It was an interesting argument from a writer's perspective. Not sure how much I bought into it- I found the least dramatic romances of ME to be the most enjoyable- but it was eye-opening.

 

That is very interesting because I also purposefully picked Garrus in ME because he didn't have drama in his relationship with Shepard. Frankly I was sick to death of the all the brood and angst I got with the DA2 male romances and wanted to romance Varric just to get away from it XD. Hopefully they will mix it up more in DAI because they should know by now that the fans might go for the characters they least expect. Garrus was the BEST example of this. Jacob was given the most content of the male romances in ME2 and Thane was designed specifically to appeal to female gamers but what happens? Garrus the space-cricket became one of the most popular romances of Mass Effect XD.

[Ryzaki]

That's way off, for me at least. I wouldn't mind another strong male in groups. I hate Alistair for this very reason. I have no clue why he even has a fanbase among males. He's an idiot.

 

It might be why I choose Loghain almost every time when I can.

 

This need to be the main "alpha" is some fratboy sh*t I want no part of. I had enough of that in highschool.

 

Yeah as long as said male doesn't try to pull a "Woman get in the kitchen." remark I'm fine with it. Even Sten's baffled "you can't be a woman." lacked any aggression.

[Battlebloodmage]

That's way off, for me at least. I wouldn't mind another strong male in groups. I hate Alistair for this very reason. I have no clue why he even has a fanbase among males. He's an idiot.

 

It might be why I choose Loghain almost every time when I can.

 

This need to be the main "alpha" is some fratboy sh*t I want no part of. I had enough of that in highschool.

When you're talking about Alistair fanboys, are you refer to straights or gays? Most straight guys hate him. Alistair is a spineless wimp, but it doesn't matter to a lot of people because he's pretty.

 

Remember kids, as long as you're pretty, you can get away with a lot of stuffs.

[Battlebloodmage]

Yeah as long as said male doesn't try to pull a "Woman get in the kitchen." remark I'm fine with it. Even Sten's baffled "you can't be a woman." lacked any aggression.

Women need to get to the kitchen...

 

 

 

to engineer more efficient stoves and refrigerators. 

[Battlebloodmage]

I don't know what their orientation is. I just hear he's a "bro" often. But to me, he's no Varric.. if that's what they mean.

He's like Varric and Garrus because they agree with everything you say. That's why I wasn't to fond of any of them. I don't need a yes man. Most guys don't like it when another male question his authority.

[Ryzaki]

He's like Varric and Garrus because they agree with everything you say. That's why I wasn't to fond of any of them. I don't need a yes man. Most guys don't like it when another male question his authority.

 

Uh...no Alistair doesn't. He whines calls you a meanie (this is especially hilarious with his rant at camp when he hits -100) then gets back in line (til Loghain anyway). Much like most of the companions in DA actually. They have certain lines they tell you to screw yourself but anything before that is fair game.

 

 

Women need to get to the kitchen...

 

 

 

to engineer more efficient stoves and refrigerators. 

 

Yeeesss. Maybe then my crappy fridge won't suck.

 

When you're talking about Alistair fanboys, are you refer to straights or gays? Most straight guys hate him. Alistair is a spineless wimp, but it doesn't matter to a lot of people because he's pretty.

 

Remember kids, as long as you're pretty, you can get away with a lot of stuffs.

 

That's true though XD

[Battlebloodmage]

Uh...no Alistair doesn't. He whines calls you a meanie (this is especially hilarious with his rant at camp when he hits -100) then gets back in line (til Loghain anyway). Much like most of the companions in DA actually. They have certain lines they tell you to screw yourself but anything before that is fair game.

Unless it's something to do with his personal stuffs like Loghain or the the Arl, I don't remember him actively opposed the Warden, Morrigan disapproves of whatever you do, Wynne and Lelianna would try to kill you if you cross them regardless of how much they like you, Zevran would backstab you. I don't recall Alistair ever try to kill you. He just yells at you if he's really mad, but most of the time, even if you do evil stuffs he just shrugs it off. That's my impression of him, but it's been a long time since I play the game. 

[Dean_the_Young]

That is very interesting because I also purposefully picked Garrus in ME because he didn't have drama in his relationship with Shepard. Frankly I was sick to death of the all the brood and angst I got with the DA2 male romances and wanted to romance Varric just to get away from it XD. Hopefully they will mix it up more in DAI because they should know by now that the fans might go for the characters they least expect. Garrus was the BEST example of this. Jacob was given the most content of the male romances in ME2 and Thane was designed specifically to appeal to female gamers but what happens? Garrus the space-cricket became one of the most popular romances of Mass Effect XD.

 

Garrus's romance tension in ME2 is both the angst Garrus has to overcome to get there, IIRC. It's another healing relationship sort of thing, in which the hurt is the drama to be overcome.

[WildOrchid]

;__; But I bet he'll be only available to female gamers and I prefer m/m romances. okay...I have to wait and see. as for the lesbian romance option I would have preferred Vivienne, because we never had a gay girl with her attitude. Those girls always have been heterosexual. Sera however, seems so typical to me and reminds me of leliana, samantha trayner and kelly. I'm actually not that happy with her being the lesbian romance option.

 

I think Sera is kind of like Isabela tbh, from what i read on her profile bio. She doesn't strike me as the Leli/Sam or Kelly type, especially the last 2 at all.

[Ryzaki]

Unless it's something to do with his personal stuffs like Loghain or the the Arl, I don't remember him actively opposed the Warden, Morrigan disapproves of whatever you do, Wynne and Lelianna would try to kill you if you cross them regardless of how much they like you, Zevran would backstab you. I don't recall Alistair ever try to kill you. He just yells at you if he's really mad, but most of the time, even if you do evil stuffs he just shrugs it off. That's my impression of him, but it's been a long time since I play the game. 

 

He has to stay with you regardless because he's plot relevant to the landsmeet. And yes he does argue against certain actions like siding with the werewolves (the first thing he does is balk at kiling the lady of the forest), the anvil, recruiting Zevran.

 

Wynne and Leliana get away with said actions because they're not plot important (and I already said everyone had a certain line.) Also Leliana can be lied to several times by the warden (which...isn't she a bard? Shouldn't she be able to tell the warden's lying? Unless the warden has a killer poker face). Zev would backstab you if your approval wasn't high enough during the Howe quest yeah but other than that? He'd stick with the warden until he hit -100 (and even then they all had a persuade you could use to convince them to stay until they hit -100 again). Morrigan stayed with the warden regardless as well (though she could be told to bounce). Edit: Wait...forgot about Flemeth. If the warden refuses to deal with Flemeth then Morrigan bounces.

 

And of course he has to shrug it off. He's a warden trying to stop the blight is aware of his woeful leadership skills and whether or not he agrees with the Warden he/she is getting the armies needed to stop said blight and has his "do not leave party" stamp on til the Landsmeet. Loghain is just his Screw this I'm out button.

 

Also Garrus is a yes man...I'd argue Varric...isn't. The closest thing to questionable Hawke can make Varric due is side with the templars and given his dialogue at the templar and mages ending I'd say he agreed with that choice of action anyway.