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[Grieving Natashina]

Sera isn't defined by her sexuality. She just happens to be a lesbian.

If you want to romance her, then you are free to play a female Inquisitor.

That's gonna be my second playthrough - a lesbian mage romancing Sera.

No doubt; I've loved Sera since she only had that lone piece of tavern art.  So please don't take my words that way.

 

The term the writers used was (paraphrasing,) "We want set sexuality because it fleshes them out more as characters."  Which leads some of the fans to ask, "How does it?  Why do you feel that way?"  I know she isn't defined by her sexuality, but how does giving her a set sexuality define her more as a character?  I'm only asking these questions due to the words that the DA team used.

[daveliam]

So I'm wondering, if IB is a bi romance option, who here is gonna ride that bull, and as what?

 

Personally if he's romanceable I'm romancing him first, and since I like to start with Dwarves, my lady dwarf is gonna be the one taking him on.

 

I am seriously considering IB as my LI for the first playthrough.  Right now, I'm thinking I've got my first four playthroughs all set  out:

 

1.) male qunari two handed warrior - romance Dorian (if possible)

2.) male dwarf dual wield rogue - romance Iron Bull (if possible)

3.) female dwarf sword and shield warrior - romance Vivienne (if possible)

4.) male qunari healing spec'd mage - romance Cullen (if m/m)

 

Of course, since none of them are confirmed as LI's for those combinations, I might have to greatly rethink this once it gets closer to time.

[wright1978]

As much as I'm disappointed about Sera, I see the positives of it. I mean, I think there's something to be said about focusing the writing on a certain orientation. It could be a great experience for people it's targeted towards.

I don't see any positives in it, merely arbitrary gating.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

Wow. A decent amount of information came out in the time I've been away.

 

I'm really happy to hear that the lesbian option is a party member and not just lobbed off on an NPC, like a lot of people worried. Kind of disappointed that they announced a new female LI and her sexuality, but no males, though. Now we know two female party LIs and only one male NPC LI without his sexuality. I hope the next one they announce will be a male. 

 

I would be surprised if Iron Bull was an LI because he's still so closely tied into the Qunari. I would be less surprised if he was a non-romance fling. We'll see. 

[Eveangaline]

Wow. A decent amount of information came out in the time I've been away.

 

I'm really happy to hear that the lesbian option is a party member and not just lobbed off on an NPC, like a lot of people worried. Kind of disappointed that they announced a new female LI and her sexuality, but no males, though. Now we know two female party LIs and only one male NPC LI without his sexuality. I hope the next one they announce will be a male. 

 

I would be surprised if Iron Bull was an LI because he's still so closely tied into the Qunari. I would be less surprised if he was a non-romance fling. We'll see. 

 

They didn't so much as announce her as she got accidentally outed on a tv show and then they confirmed it.

 

Man I hope he's not just a fling. (I mean if he is a fling I'll be flinging him HARD but still)

[Kimarous]

Sera isn't defined by her sexuality. She just happens to be a lesbian.

If you want to romance her, then you are free to play a female Inquisitor.

That's gonna be my second playthrough - a lesbian mage romancing Sera.

 

"Don't have arbitrarily bi characters - instead, arbitrarily change YOUR sex to meet THEIR sexuality!"

[Deviija]

Personally speaking, sexuality is something that's very personal to me, so it does influence other areas of my personality- this guy is attractive, I'm more sensitive to discrimination based on gender identity and orientation, and playing my cards really close to my heart because society in general isn't that great when it comes to non-heterosexuality despite nowadays communities becoming more socially progressive. But that's not all of me, because there's other areas that play into it as well, like my age, my education, growing up in a western English-speaking society, my race, and so on.

 

 

What you are describing is valid for us non-hetero folks living on *Earth* and how our culture and society may influence people.  However, Thedas is not Earth.  It does not have the social and cultural issues and stigmas that we earthlings deal with.  In fact, the parts of Thedas that we have seen so far have cultures and social norms that are very inclusive and not discriminatory based on sexual orientation.  For example, at most, in Ferelden, you *might* get an arched eyebrow from someone if you discuss you are interested in a same-sex partner -- but it isn't more than someone *might* give a person with a blue mohawk an arched eyebrow.  It is just a "huh, that's interesting."  It's nothing more than that.  Thus, non-hetero people in the known Thedas would not have the same issues, positive or negative.  That is why some folks in this thread are perplexed at how "set sexuality fleshes someone out more," when essentially there would be nothing different, positive or negative, associated with same-sex relations or opposite-sex relations.  

[MerchantGOL]

"Don't have arbitrarily bi characters - instead, arbitrarily change YOUR sex to meet THEIR sexuality!"

are you only playing the game once?

[wright1978]

I did shake my head about these arbitrary restrictions when I read comment in PC gamer article about ' fantasy fulfilment being a big part of rpg's' and only restricting where the lore requires(dwarves mages etc)

[Nocte ad Mortem]

are you only playing the game once?

A lot of people only play once. 

[Kimarous]

are you only playing the game once?

 

I might play once and stop, I might continue with the playable epilogue forever, I might play multiple times, and I might not even finish a single playthrough. What does it matter?

[Grieving Natashina]

Okay, I'm just going to try and set this straight (haha!).

 

Yes, a person's sexuality doesn't define them entirely. But sexuality makes up one component of an entire identity, and each component like your age, your beliefs, your ethnicity, where you grew up, your education, and so on, all together shapes who you are as a person.[/quote]

 

 

Now, as a heterosexual person, maybe, they won't necessarily respond or interact the same way a homosexual does. There might be similar reactions when you get down to the core of it, but there are a lot of nuances people tend to not notice. You see in movies that you have a main character that brags about scoring a date with the pretty girl next door to his pals after a long day at high school. In this day and age, if the guy snagged a date with a pretty boy, he might not be so open about it.

 

So, she might comment about meeting a nice girl over a nice boy.   This helps define her...how?  How does them stating "she only likes girls" change how she might approach relationships?  It seems like something for the player convience so folks can't fight about whether a character is "really" bi ala Anders.  Otherwise, gay, bisexual and straight people do react largely the same way, so I'm not sure where you got that from.

 

So what I'm trying to say that true, sexuality doesn't underpin a person's character totally, but it influences how they think, how they approach people, and how they communicate. And sexuality is all the more insidious than race or age or sex because it's not as obvious as those three, so it does get confusing just how much sexuality affects a person's thought patterns, or discourse, or who they relate to, and so on. Thing is, it just really depends on the person as well.

 

Personally speaking, sexuality is something that's very personal to me, so it does influence other areas of my personality- this guy is attractive, I'm more sensitive to discrimination based on gender identity and orientation, and playing my cards really close to my heart because society in general isn't that great when it comes to non-heterosexuality despite nowadays communities becoming more socially progressive. But that's not all of me, because there's other areas that play into it as well, like my age, my education, growing up in a western English-speaking society, my race, and so on.

 

"I still wish I could ask them in person how does a character's sexuality fleshes them out more?"

 

I only hope I answered this question as best as I can.

 

Things like your country, your ethncity and your age can shape how you are as a person, and no denying that.  However, I don't see how, as a pansexual person, I'm shaped by my sexuality other than "I happen to enjoy the romance of men and women."  Some of the harassment and other related crap I went through as a pansexual did define me some, but since that s/s relationships in Thedas are generally no big deal, that doesn't work.

 

What bothers me is the notion that a handful of people in Thedas aren't explicit stating if they are homosexual, bisexual or a lesbian, therefore they were "less developed characters."

 

I've heard this sort of argument before and I still say bollocks.  For instance, did Sten's sexuality define him in any critical way?  I didn't think so. Outside of trolling Morrigan, we never got told one way or the other. Same goes for Sigrun, that never talked about men or women in any romantic or sexual way either.  Her character was actually really developed overall, especially for a character introduced for an expansion. That's why that idea doesn't wash with me at all.  There are examples of characters not being defined by their sexuality and it not even coming into play at all.  

 

It only seems to come up mainly with LIs, with a few exceptions like Wade and Harren, and characters from the tie-in materials (Mae from the comics, the Empress in the books.)  Most of which aren't seen in game. 

 

I appreciate you trying to give perspective about this.    If I sounded a little frustrated in my post, it wasn't directed at you.

 

I want to hear what the writers on the DA Team have to say about it though.

[Maria Caliban]

I'd be interested in knowing how the writers think of their character's sexuality, not just their orientation. When you can get them talking, they usually say something interesting.

They don't do that anymore though because posting on the forums is the equivalent of sticking their hand in a bear trap. Like 'How does a character's sexuality fleshes them out more?' does come off as 'Justify your stupid, awful decision.*'

Like... Luke is a dude. He's writing a queer female character and a romance based completely around f/f desire. I'd be interested in how he approached that. If knowing that the PC would always be female changed how it wrote it. If he sees being gay as influencing how Sera views and interacts with the world.

Heck, I'd be interested in knowing why he decided to make her gay. What drew him to that?

But a man holding forth on lesbian sexuality is going to be under serious scrutiny. I wouldn't be surprised if he never talked about it.

* I know that's not what you're saying.

[Asdrubael Vect]

we have 2 kingdoms(Ferelden and Orlais), many factions to side/fight and 8 Inquisitors(dwarf, elf, kossith and humans females and males) who can be mages/warriors/rogues

 

so we have 2 humans Inquisitors and 6 non-humans

 

and most of those companions/advisors because many will not like what we will do and we cant be friends with anyone...if we choose 1 side we loose another

 

so what we have

 

1)Humans LI and non LI

Cassandra-Orlais Chantry Seeker/Templar-female Orlais human-Li
Cullen-Orlais Chantry Templar-male human-Li

Dorian-Tevinter-male Tevinter human-not comfirmed as Li or non Li
Blackwall-Grey Wardens- male human-not comfirmed as Li or non Li but unlikely because he is old GW

Vivienne-Orlais Chantry Circle-female Orlais human-not comfirmed as Li or non Li
"Dark skinned female near Blackwall"- female human-not comfirmed as Li or non Li

Lelianna-Orlais Chantry Seeker-female Orlais human-not a LI
Cole-demon male human-never a Li

2)Elven Li and non LI

Sera-elf rebels rogue-only female elf-lesbian

Solas-dalish?-only  male elf-not comfirmed as Li or non LI

3)Dwarven non Li

Varrick-only male dwarf-not a LI

4)Kossith Li or non LI

Iron Bull-Qunari Ben-Hasrath-only Qunari male kossith-not comfirmed as Li or non LI but unlikely because he is old and Qunari

 

 

so as you can see most of our companions/advisors(i really do not like that our forced "advisors" are stupid Templar bastard who kills dozens of innocent mages and Orlais/Chantry/Seeker bard what i killed in origins) are

 

1)humans-8 humans(4 females and 4 males) and 4 non-humans(1 female elf and 3 males)

2)Orlais and Chantry/Templars related...the factions that many really hate and do not-never side with them

 

 

so if we have only 2straight /2 bi /2 gay options and all Li what we have are from companions/advisors so bioware really say for 6 non-humans Inquisitors(especially mages) gtfo and play the humans and romance and side with Orlais/Chantry/Templars/Seekers related guys 

[Grieving Natashina]

I'd be interested in knowing how the writers think of their character's sexuality, not just their orientation. When you can get them talking, they usually say something interesting.

They don't do that anymore though because posting on the forums is the equivalent of sticking their hand in a bear trip. Like 'How does a character's sexuality fleshes them out more?' does come off as 'Justify your stupid, awful decision.*'

Like... Luke is a dude. He's writing a queer female character and a romance based completely around f/f desire. I'd be interested in how he approached that. If knowing that the PC would always be female changed how it wrote it. If he sees being gay as influencing how Sera views and interacts with the world.

Heck, I'd be interested in knowing why he decided to make her gay. What drew him to that?

But a man holding forth on lesbian sexuality is going to be under serious scrutiny. I wouldn't be surprised if he never talked about it.

* I know that's not what you're saying.

Haha, I could tell that you weren't trying to put words into my mouth.  You've probably seen that I'm open minded to the idea.  You offer some better questions than I could.

 

I wouldn't expect Lukes to be on the forums much, though he has ducked into Sera's thread a few times.  Maybe in an interview?   Also, if he felt inclined, DG could be the resident mouthpiece and goddess knows he can deal with the forumites.  

[carlo angelo]

What you are describing is valid for us non-hetero folks living on *Earth* and how our culture and society may influence people.  However, Thedas is not Earth.  It does not have the social and cultural issues and stigmas that we earthlings deal with.  In fact, the parts of Thedas that we have seen so far have cultures and social norms that are very inclusive and not discriminatory based on sexual orientation.  For example, at most, in Ferelden, you *might* get an arched eyebrow from someone if you discuss you are interested in a same-sex partner -- but it isn't more than someone *might* give a person with a blue mohawk an arched eyebrow.  It is just a "huh, that's interesting."  It's nothing more than that.  Thus, non-hetero people in the known Thedas would not have the same issues, positive or negative.  That is why some folks in this thread are perplexed at how "set sexuality fleshes someone out more," when essentially there would be nothing different, positive or negative, associated with same-sex relations or opposite-sex relations.  

 

It's a point, but sexuality is something that's already so nebulous here on Earth and that's the only thing I could compare it to just to get an idea.

 

The writers are trying to make something "Earthlike" from the world of Thedas by corresponding countries like Orlais being an analogue for the French Empire or Tevinter Imperium being inspired by the Roman Empire, so I figured this would go for sexuality as well. But still, my guess is as good as yours and I'm thinking I understand where the writers are coming from, but being that this IS a fantasy world, well...

[AkiKishi]

Some people stay true to their "headcanon" and won't play a game more than once.

 

The only reason I'd play DA:O and DA2 again would be for the save files. Maybe.

 

I played it once for each origin. Something like 40% of people finished it one way or the other. PS3 stats are. 

 

Ultimate Sacrifice 16.9%

Dark Promise 24.3% 

[Ap0crypha]

Some people stay true to their "headcanon" and won't play a game more than once.

 

I, personally, do it like:

 

#1: Blind run. No spoilers, foreknowledge of anything other than basics, etc. Probably uses my headcanon protagonist insofar as race, class, and gender. Except for Origins, whose blind run is something I will never speak of.

 

# 2--n: As many following playthroughs as I want. None are headcanon, just fun and exploring the differences.

 

#Final: Headcanon playthrough. Full knowledge of the game so I can get what I want, 100% completion, the works.

 

After that I put the game down unless it has a playable epilogue, like Skyrim. Or Inquisition

 

 

As for romances, my hopes are dangerously high that IB is romanceable. Like, so high, I will seriously be upset if he's not.

[Eveangaline]

Wait when did Varric get confirmed not LI?

[Grieving Natashina]

Wait when did Varric get confirmed not LI?

He hasn't confirmed or denied as an LI.  An interview with Cameron Lee (I think) awhile back mentioned that "Varric might be too attached to Bianca to let go."   Which did make me grumble, "Over all woman he hasn't seen outside of a Fade dream in at least 10-12 yrs?  Guys, that was cute in DA2, but it's getting a little creepy now."

 

The only ones we know about is Cullen, Cassandra and Sera.  We only know the sexuality of one of them.  When the others are revealed, you won't have to look far for an official source.