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[syllogi]

Sexuality don´t make people "better" or "superior", but it is a way to "identify" people, wether we like it or not, that´s just how it is i´m sorry to say. As for the game i think Bioware is doing the best they can with the sexualitys while keeping their characters intact.

 

And when I don't come out to people, like Fenris and Merrill don't, am I a worse friend, or co-worker, or even family member?  Of course there are times when sexuality is going to be relevant to conversations, like when I talk about my son and my ex-husband comes up.  The fact that I was married is an identifier in itself, but it doesn't define me completely.   And sometimes I never feel that it's relevant to tell people that I'm bisexual.  And they either like me or don't despite that, and I feel that they have enough information to judge me without that fact.

 

I hope it's the same with these characters.  I hope that I can go an entire playthrough with Sera in my party and not have to feel that her label as a lesbian is defining her, instead of her personality and history.  I hope that other characters who identify as bisexual or gay aren't lusty, promiscuous, lacking in conventional morals, and are diverse and representative of more than one subset of what society sees as "homosexual behavior."   I hope that I feel as connected to these characters as I did the ones in DA2, but I guarantee that stories about their sexual histories won't be the thing that makes me connect with them.

[Aner91]

Oh yeah ! good idea ! let's denying everyone good things brought by modding because some people get some bad things out of things.

 

 

i agree, modding should be a thing for DA:I aswell, this was more about peoples preferred skin tone in a character. and that to me is disturbing as hell...

[Grieving Natashina]

i agree, modding should be a thing for DA:I aswell, this was more about peoples preferred skin tone in a character. and that to me is disturbing as hell...

Yep, same here.  And I am a PC gamer, and I do use some mods, by the way.  None of them I use change a companion's appearance though.

 

 

Speaking as a bisexual person, i admit to disliking the "promiscuous bi" stereotype since not every bi person is like that, myself included & it annoys me when so many people act like its some kind of mandatory rule to be "truly bisexual". It especially annoyed me when people kept saying Merrill didn't make sense being bi just cos she was virginal & shy, sexuality shouldn't be a strong indicator of how someones personality should be like 

Preach on!

[ladyoflate]

Either that or they hypersexualise WOC, like they did with Isabela. I just really want Viv to have a sort of vulnerable side and get some love, right now it seems that everyone is hating on her tbh

 

Yeah. Dearly as I do love her, you're right about Isabela. And we can't have the Jewel of Orlais go without, like

 

a polisher

or something

 

that got away from me a bit

[Gwydden]

Yeah. Dearly as I do love her, you're right about Isabela. And we can't have the Jewel of Orlais go without, like

 

a polisher

or something

 

that got away from me a bit

Does she count, though? She always seemed more Arabic/Indian to me, or maybe even mixed race. But she is still very much Caucasian, as opposed to Vivienne. Is the stereotype just applicable to people of color in general?

 

That's weird.

[Magpies]

Sexuality don´t make people "better" or "superior", but it is a way to "identify" people, wether we like it or not, that´s just how it is i´m sorry to say. As for the game i think Bioware is doing the best they can with the sexualitys while keeping their characters intact.

 

idk, straight people never get identified via their sexuality. If they're straight it's not a relevant detail. You wouldn't introduce someone as your straight friend, but oh, the number of times I've been the bi friend or the trans friend (not that my gender identity and sexuality are at all related). It's not that people identify others by their sexuality. It's that people identify non-het people by their sexuality.

My sexuality isn't actually a big deal to me. The fact that I'm attracted to all genders never really caused much headscratching for me. It was other people around me that made it a big deal. And I only ever use it as a personal identifier when it's about the way that other peoples' views of it shaped my life. And I'm not saying it's like that for everyone, but so much media makes non-het people into a constant source of drama. So it'd be lovely for media to acknowledge that no actually, many non-het people don't spend their entire life identifying themselves via their sexuality. That it doesn't actually have to come up at all unless they're explicitly romantically interested in someone. Ya know.

[SnakeCode]

Does she count, though? She always seemed more Arabic/Indian to me, or maybe even mixed race. But she is still very much Caucasian, as opposed to Vivienne. Is the stereotype just applicable to people of color in general?

 

That's weird.

Isabela always stuck me as similar to north african. Moroccon or Algerian or something along those lines.

[Aner91]

And when I don't come out to people, like Fenris and Merrill don't, am I a worse friend, or co-worker, or even family member?  Of course there are times when sexuality is going to be relevant to conversations, like when I talk about my son and my ex-husband comes up.  The fact that I was married is an identifier in itself, but it doesn't define me completely.   And sometimes I never feel that it's relevant to tell people that I'm bisexual.  And they either like me or don't despite that, and I feel that they have enough information to judge me without that fact.

 

I hope it's the same with these characters.  I hope that I can go an entire playthrough with Sera in my party and not have to feel that her label as a lesbian is defining her, instead of her personality and history.  I hope that other characters who identify as bisexual or gay aren't lusty, promiscuous, lacking in conventional morals, and are diverse and representative of more than one subset of what society sees as "homosexual behavior."   I hope that I feel as connected to these characters as I did the ones in DA2, but I guarantee that stories about their sexual histories won't be the thing that makes me connect with them.

It feels like you are afraid of how people will judge you BECAUSE you are bi. I don´t know you and most likely never will, but even if you don´t tell people that you are bi, it´s not something to hide either imo. I don´t go to every sranger and say: " Hello there, I´m gay btw!", cause that´s just stupid, but if they ask me i will tell them. I joke alot about my sexuality so i have fun with it in that way aswell. True story: i came out in school when we still shared the showers after gym class. You know what the teachers had me do after i came out?, they hade me use the teachers showers cause i made my so called "friends" uncomfortable...so i agree you don´t judge characters in the game after their sexuality, but you can´t deny that peoples lives and storys can change cause of it...i don´t agree that people should judge people depending what they like, it´s just a sad truth...i think it´s just nice to have a gay/bi etc person in the games i play...

[ladyoflate]

Does she count, though? She always seemed more Arabic/Indian to me, or maybe even mixed race. But she is still very much Caucasian, as opposed to Vivienne. Is the stereotype just applicable to people of color in general?

 

That's weird.

 

It's been word of god stated that Isabela was intended to be black, and it was an issue of previous CCs. Which is why I mentioned the bit about Vivienne being the first undeniably black companion. Not sure what you mean by the 'seemed arabic/indian' and 'still very much Caucasian' thing, unless you literally mean the Caucasus Mountains?

 

Hypersexuality by itself applies to racist tropes for a variety of people of color, but it's most often and unfortunately applied to black women. The hypersexual/completely sexless dichotomy is also one that's pretty specific to black women.

[Gwydden]

Isabela always stuck me as similar to north african. Moroccon or Algerian or something along those lines.

Exactly. That's what I was thinking with "Arabic" - a Moorish type. Compare her facial features to Vivienne's for contrast.

[jtav]

Mostly I just want a fixed sexuality. That is, I want to hear about Dawn of the Seeker chap/fAmell regardless of what gender I'm playing. I felt like in DA2 they were hiding Anders' history because it might make people uncomfortable.

[Gwydden]

It's been word of god stated that Isabela was intended to be black, and it was an issue of previous CCs. Which is why I mentioned the bit about Vivienne being the first undeniably black companion. Not sure what you mean by the 'seemed arabic/indian' and 'still very much Caucasian' thing, unless you literally mean the Caucasus Mountains?

 

Hypersexuality by itself applies to racist tropes for a variety of people of color, but it's most often and unfortunately applied to black women. The hypersexual/completely sexless dichotomy is also one that's pretty specific to black women.

Sure, but I think they meant black the skin color as opposed to black the race. I don't know, maybe I just think along weird lines. When I hear race, I think Caucasian/black/mongoloid, and I think those those are mostly defined by facial features as opposed to color. I guess I just find skin color to be a ridiculously minor characteristic around which to define "race", which to me is more about shared ancestry.

[Gwydden]

Mostly I just want a fixed sexuality. That is, I want to hear about Dawn of the Seeker chap/fAmell regardless of what gender I'm playing. I felt like in DA2 they were hiding Anders' history because it might make people uncomfortable.

while making him very openly hit on a male Hawke, which did make a lot of people uncomfortable. They could used a thicker skin, but still xD

[Clockwork_Wings]

I think it would be fun if males cpuld initiate Sera's romance. At first, she thinks he's playing around, then she shuts it down early. It might be fun if nothing can stop you from beginning a romance, but certain inquisitors can't complete all romances.

A bit like Aveline.

[Aner91]

while making him very openly hit on a male Hawke, which did make a lot of people uncomfortable. They could used a thicker skin, but still xD

There are SO many more worse things then having a dude hit on you in DA2, like you know oppression in all it forms lol...but i may be bias

[Milan92]

Oh yeah ! good idea ! let's denying everyone good things brought by modding because some people get some bad things out of things.

 

 

 

Jesus, where am I saying that I don't support mods? I'm someone who plays on pc too and loves mods.

 

All I'm saying is that things like these make me happy that modding won't be as easy.

[Magpies]

I think it would be fun if males cpuld initiate Sera's romance. At first, she thinks he's playing around, then she shuts it down early. It might be fun if nothing can stop you from beginning a romance, but certain inquisitors can't complete all romances.

A bit like Aveline.

 

Actually, yeah, flirting with someone and being shut down is definitely more organic then the concept just straight up not coming up at all for non-romanceable characters of a certain gender IMO.

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

Geez. That's straight up disturbing. One main character in the game who isn't white as the freshly fallen snow (Hawkes aside) and people immediately feel the need to make it not so.
That's even sadder than the fact that the "Prettier Aveline" mod was topping the Nexus boards for weeks as most popular mod.

Isn't the "Prettier Aveline" mod the same mod that almost makes her unrecognisable? im sure i saw a pic of it & she just looked liked a red haired female Hawke.

[jtav]

And while I'm ranting, can I get a male LI who's a bit more mature? Alistair is a wide-eyed idealist and a bit childish. Zevran is, well, Zev. Anders and Fenris are both rather melodramatic. I just want a man who knows who he is and doesn't fly off the handle or otherwise make me take a step back.

[Grieving Natashina]

Actually, yeah, flirting with someone and being shut down is definitely more organic then the concept just straight up not coming up at all for non-romanceable characters of a certain gender IMO.

Oh yes it is.  For instance, I didn't think I'd have fun with Vega shutting me down in ME3 (he wasn't a LI,) but the game gave me a still chance to flirt with him and it made the whole "Lola"/ sister thing really click.  I'd be happy with something that tasteful making it's way in Thedas.  

 

 

Isn't the "Prettier Aveline" mod the same mod that almost makes her unrecognisable? im sure i saw a pic of it & she just looked liked a red haired female Hawke.

Agreed. I'll admit that I downloaded it once to check it out, but all the options (including the "Improved Classic") just made her look like a supermodel.   I uninstalled it, and deleted it before I finished Act 1.  It just wasn't her anymore.

[Indoctrination]

I do not know.  I suspect they will, since some have already been released.  If not *ALL* of them, I'd wager most of them (like maybe at least one for each representation).  But I'm just guessing, I don't know for certain.

Marketing doesn't trust you with that information, eh?

[Aner91]

 

Oh yes it is.  For instance, I didn't think I'd have fun with Vega shutting me down in ME3 (he wasn't a LI,) but the game gave me a still chance to flirt with him and it made the whole "Lola"/ sister thing really click.  I'd be happy with something that tasteful making it's way in Thedas.  

 

 

Agreed. I'll admit that I downloaded it once to check it out, but all the options (including the "Improved Classic") just made her look like a supermodel.   I uninstalled it, and deleted it before I finished Act 1.  It just wasn't her anymore.

 

I still think Iron bull will be the Vega lol, it´s sad though

[Gwydden]

There are SO many more worse things then having a dude hit on you in DA2, like you know oppression in all it forms lol...but i may be bias

Oh, I don't mind it at all. It's just hilarious (and a little sad) how much some people get upset by it. Another man hit on you, THE HORROR!!!

[Magpies]

Isn't the "Prettier Aveline" mod the same mod that almost makes her unrecognisable? im sure i saw a pic of it & she just looked liked a red haired female Hawke.

 

That's the one. I don't know which is sadder, the fact that people obviously missed that her looks are actually quite important to her characterisation or the fact that some people can't stand that there's one woman in a video game who isn't a walking sexbot. But, alas, that's a tangent for another time.

[Grieving Natashina]

I still think Iron bull will be the Vega lol, it´s sad though

My vote's on Vivienne for that role.