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Maybe, if I feel like it
It's my life, my tastes, my body and my choice who to date and who not to date
Though it seems you guys can't see the diffirence between tastes and actual racism. Pretty sad IMHO
Is this a 'you guys' aimed at anyone in particular, or just one of those 'everyone knows'?
God forbid characters for actually having their own preferences and not falling for the PC at first glance...
I don't want them to fall in love with the PC at first glance. I want the PC's actions and their character to be what matters, not their height, or whether or not they have horns or pointy ears.
Seriously?..
Well, Varric is racist according to such logic
I never said I was fond of that aspect of his character. And again, it's something that can't really be fully summed up without also including a discussion on certain power structures.
Having a preference for one race over another based on appearance isn't racism and I didn't say it was. What I said was that it was just a random character quirk that adds no depth to the character. Your preference for half-asians over europeans is all well and good, nothing wrong with it, but it's random and doesn't add anything to your character; doesn't change your values, your beliefs, your principles, or anything about you that actually matters.
And I continued to say that the only way you make it actually matter more than being an arbitrary preference is by having it be a part of a racist attitude. Then that starts to affect values and what not, the stuff that actually makes up a character.
It actually is
It changes the way a character feels about other people, acts around them and even their worldview
It all matters, even a favourite colour
Especially when it comes to characters: for them, every aspect matters because they're created with a purpose, with an idea and with a plan
True it'd probably end up as well as the "I don't find black people attractive." discussion. That was fun.
I like my version:
'Frizzy hair is my ultimate turn-off.'
"(either by way of gender or race, which are both possibilities in DAI)"
There are two ways to interpret what David said.
1) Race and gender restrictions may or may not be in the final game
or
2) Race and gender restrictions are in the game, and there is the possiblity the person you were attempting to romance is locked out for up to two unchangeable reasons
The second is more likely considering we already have gender restrictions, and because of the way he phrased it. He said they were possibilities, not that they were possible, and no, these don't necessarily imply the same thing. The phrasing is unclear, but there is context.
I'm saying that they shouldn't limit the player's options based off of arbitrary decisions. Those decisions should have a purpose behind them.
Gender gating can have a purpose; that purpose being representation for people of different orientation.
What purpose does race gating serve?
To get a player to play as a race it normally wouldn't maybe? You then have perspective from the other side of the coin. For example, I have never played as a dwarf. Maybe because I am short in real life, I prefer to not be short in a game.... I dunno, it's just me being me. Now, I love Varric. I never considered him romantically, but I adore him! If he was made a romance, I could see me deciding to finally make a dwarf if he was only attracted to dwarfs. Same for the Qunari. I have issues with the Qun, so I haven't decided if I could really bring myself to play as a Qunari even though I know they are Vasshoth. But if I fell in love with the Iron Bull and he would only romance a Qunari, I could see me doing it. Then I would learn more about these races that I had been avoiding for my own, way off, reasons. Sometimes you have to lead a horse to water and in order to guarantee multiple playthroughs through multiple races and genders you may have to give a major incentive like set sexualities and race preferences. It makes the world feel more real, because this is what happens in real life relationships, while also allowing people who may not normally do so, gain a better understanding. I think it will be done tactfully so I am not concerned about that at all. This is Bioware after all and why I love them.
Maybe, if I feel like it
It's my life, my tastes, my body and my choice who to date and who not to date
Though it seems you guys can't see the diffirence between tastes and actual racism. Pretty sad IMHO
Of course I'm not saying anyone can't date who the hell they want to. I'm just finding the whole "racial restrictions add to the character!" laughable when our PCs can act neigh identical.
Is this a 'you guys' aimed at anyone in particular, or just one of those 'everyone knows'?
At anyone here who says that a person prefering sexually one race over another is racist
I don't want them to fall in love with the PC at first glance. I want the PC's actions and their character to be what matters, not their height, or whether or not they have horns or pointy ears.
This.
If we have racial restrictions but I still get crap like Alistair being fine with sucking face with my warden after she helped the werewolves slaughter the elves...
I don't want them to fall in love with the PC at first glance. I want the PC's actions and their character to be what matters, not their height, or whether or not they have horns or pointy ears.
Romance doesn't work like that. Believable characters do not work like that. Otherwise we get DA2s romance system which I think really didn't work out for the characters.
Given the stats on how many people play humans I'd say it's only bold if they restrict humans (male humans in particular). So Sera's pretty bold. But I'm waiting to see how the rest of the fem LIs are restricted.
But I did say if there were gender limits there should be racial limits and choice limits. I got 2 outta 3 so far. let's hope the third occurs too least then it'd make sense.
I'm with you on this one. If they go down the road of restrictions, sexuality (which is a minor concern in Thedas) shouldn't be the only gating. Either do all kinds of gating, or not restrict at all. And while I prefer DAII system, I for one, welcome the consistency.
Of course I'm not saying anyone can't date who the hell they want to. I'm just finding the whole "racial restrictions add to the character!" laughable when our PCs can act neigh identical.
It's because our PCs are created by us
We decide what are they like
NPCs and companions? They are supposed to represent the world they live in
Thedas is far from a pretty place. Novels like TMI and Calling make it even more obvious
This.
If we have racial restrictions but I still get crap like Alistair being fine with sucking face with my warden after she helped the werewolves slaughter the elves...
Just wait; Cullen won't care if you raise the bodies of the dead to fight your enemies, but if you have horns, well, that's just beyond the pale for him.
I like my version:
'Frizzy hair is my ultimate turn-off.'
XD
Don't be hating on the Frizzies!
At the moment i just want to know if some races will be restricted to fewer (or perhaps even none, in a worst case scenario) options than others. Particuarly since gender gating is already in place.
Romance doesn't work like that. Believable characters do not work like that. Otherwise we get DA2s romance system which I think really didn't work out for the characters.
That is a shallow way to look at romance.
I like my version:
'Frizzy hair is my ultimate turn-off.'
Just wait; Cullen won't care if you raise the bodies of the dead to fight your enemies, but if you have horns, well, that's just beyond the pale for him.
That's called bad writing
Though since he is fine with Hawke slaughtering half of his order in Kirkwall, I wouldn't be surprised
XD
Don't be hating on the Frizzies!
You want me to go soft on them?
Not a problem. At all.
Of course I'm not saying anyone can't date who the hell they want to. I'm just finding the whole "racial restrictions add to the character!" laughable when our PCs can act neigh identical.
The whole point of differing races is to make it that you're PCs aren't identical. Hence why Alistair only makes a human queen while an elf and dwarf either become his mistress or get blown off completely. I adds more depth to it all in little ways if done right, even if all your PCs do largely the same things.
So why don't we do that?
Iron Bull doesn't have sex with people he's afraid he will break. What if he's afraid he will break elves: wouldn't that be an aspect of his character?
Say that we have an Elf who is dedicated to preserving elfdom for future elves... and as a consequence, is unwilling to have any sort of relationship that couldn't produce an elf. Ixnay to same sex and non-elven couplings, but a part of the character.
Or we could have someone who has a irrational but real discomfort about romancing dwarves, associating it with pedophelia. Wrong, to be sure, but charater-driven.
Or a Qunari just doesn't find humans attractive. Or a human is not into stubby short men. We kinda do this "selection" in real life, even if we don't necessarly mean it or realize it.
I hear people loving Tyrion, from Game of Thrones. How many would actually want to sleep with him? He is the closest thing to a in-game dwarf.
I myself have loved Garrus and how Bioware handled his romance with a human female without being awkward, actually it was really romantic. They could probably think of a way how a qunari/dwarf relationship could work, but why waste the resources?
Just wait; Cullen won't care if you raise the bodies of the dead to fight your enemies, but if you have horns, well, that's just beyond the pale for him.
You do realize most wouldn't have sex with people they don't find attractive, right?
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