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[Ryzaki]

So who do you guys think will be the next romance to drop?

 

IB I guess or Dorian.

 

Edit: DAMNIT ANER.

 

I keep getting ninja'd today ;-;

[SleepyPerson]

Dislike all gating as I preferred where romances were available to all orientations. Race gating is straw to camels back IMO.

 

I understand.

 

However, having a gay companion may seem like gating and a restriction to you but for some gay people it's finally getting to see a companion in the world of Thedas that is like themselves, not just the customizable protagonist. It could easily have been an non-romanceable gay NPC but companions (and followers) are who the players spend most of the game with. I find it's very courageous on the developers part to make this decision.

 

Without taking race restrictions into consideration and if there is 6 romance options, straight and gay protagonists have 2 romance options each like Dragon Age 2. While bisexual protagonists get 4 romance options also like Dragon Age 2. Not really a huge difference.

[falconlord5]

Then if it was only a matter of gender, the answer should have been "No."

 

If it was only a matter of gender.

 

We don't know that either.

[Deviija]

Romances seem to be quite time and resource consuming content. Why would they want to place *double* restrictions- gender and race- on them, to the point where only a tiny fraction of the audience ends up experiencing content that took lots of effort and resources to create?

 

This is what I'm reviewing in my mind and revisiting what devs (Gaider in particular) have said, repeatedly, over the last several years about resources and romances.  It is tertiary content at best.  How they try to make romance content that will net the widest range of people interested in that already minority content.  But now with gender and racial restrictions in DAI... my brain's boggling.  

 

Then again, race-gating may end up being more cost effective.  If you have IB a bi romance but only to 2 races, then you have Cullen a bi romance only available to the other 2 races.  Together, animation and resource-wise, it may roughly even out.  I'm grasping at the darkness here, though.

[The Elder King]

Because Ianamus asked if some races had less than others. The fact that he included gender in his answer is telling, IMHO, but it still isn't a straight answer. All he really told us is that there were restrictions, but he didn't say what they were.

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Absolutely correct. If someone wants to complain about not getting something they would have liked, they're free to do so. If, however, they do so in a racist or blatantly sexist or homophobic manner, they'll be shown the door. And if they honestly think they're fomenting some kind of mass revolution, they'll undoubtedly be disappointed to discover just how much in the minority they actually are.
 
As for the "rage" regarding people discovering that a character on whom they'd already pinned their romantic hopes suddenly isn't available to them (either by way of gender or race, which are both possibilities in DAI) -- them's the breaks. One can either deal with their disappointment in an in-game manner (nothing like actually interacting with a character rather than thinking about them solely  in the abstract), they can play as a different PC (if romancing that one character is the most important thing to their game), or they can come to the forums and complain about how them not getting that option in the game is somehow a violation of their rights or part of a larger socio-political conspiracy. It won't get them anywhere, but so long as they do it politely and are considerate of other posters, they are certainly free to vent their frustrations.

He did say that race might restrict romances in DAI. You've read this post (you liked it). Ianamus's post is obviously in response to this.

[mordy_was_here]

So who do you guys think will be the next romance to drop?

 

Hopefully a male option. We've had two ladies confirmed and one male. I like things even.

[Allan Schumacher]

I'm not keen on people using the realism argument.

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

She was, but it was carefully hidden because Bioware didn't think it would be accepted, but times have changed, now lesbian and gay Lis are out in the open.

It wasn't accepted well with some people, i remember forum posts from that time of people bragging about always killing her cos they didn't want a lesbian on the team

[GriffinFire]

Always assume the worst. That way you can't ever be disappointed, only pleasantly surprised. 

 

Besides, Bioware was already running low on their benefit of the doubt reserves as far as I was concerned. 

 

There's a big difference between keeping your expectations low and loudly condemning something that is purely theoretical.

[Aner91]

IB I guess or Dorian.

 

Edit: DAMNIT ANER.

 

I keep getting ninja'd today ;-;

NO im out of likes! owell...LIKE lol

[The Elder King]

Always assume the worst. That way you can't ever be disappointed, only pleasantly surprised.

A sensible approach. 

You still have reserves?

He was talking about before the romance announcement.

[Hellion Rex]

I'm not keen on people using the realism argument.

I just love how Gaider shot that to hell months ago. Made me cackle with glee.

[Jaison1986]

I'm not keen on people using the realism argument.

 

I dislike many kinds of arguments myself. It doesn't make them any less valid however.

[Ianamus]

This is what I'm reviewing in my mind and revisiting what devs (Gaider in particular) have said, repeatedly, over the last several years about resources and romances.  It is tertiary content at best.  How they try to make romance content that will net the widest range of people interested in that already minority content.  But now with gender and racial restrictions in DAI... my brain's boggling.  

 

It was implied that limiting romances to particular genders and races actually saves resources to an extent because less versions of the romance scenes need to be created. 

 

Considering how much dialogue would have to differ as well (male vs female pronouns as well as race variations) Having gender and race restrictions probably consumes no more resources than having the same LI's be available to everyone. 

 

I'd imagine that creating a male romance with Sera for each race would be equally resource intensive as giving those male romances to Vivienne instead. 

[Ryzaki]

NO im out of likes! owell...LIKE lol

 

XD I ran out a while ago.

 

But yeah I hope IB is confirmed one way or another (please let him have no race restrictions) I'm pretty sure even the elf Inq is tough enough to handle him. He/she is probably tough enough to fight wyverns, dragons and the like. A little tussling in the sheets isn't gonna slow them down

[falconlord5]

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He did say that race might restrict romances in DAI. You've read this post (you liked it). Ianamus's post is obviously in response to this.

 

He said might. He said "...either by way of gender or race, which are both possibilities in DAI...", not yes, they are race restricted.

 

I'm not saying one way or the other. But having been decieved, manipulated, and flat-out lied to by devs more than once over the last ten years or so, you'll forgive me if I need more direct language before I take anything as confirmation.

[Former_Fiend]

You still have reserves?

 

I've been rather generous, having enjoyed or at least appreciated DA2 on the whole and enjoyed ME3 overall, especially with Citadel making up for the ending. I've still been looking at DAI as Bioware's last chance, though.

 

 

Not the point, and i'm not one of those that does think it's unrealistic.

 

I'm just pointing out that inter-species relationships aren't the same as interracial relationships.

 

True, but it still sends a bad message, especially when those other species are used to represent real world cultures. And so long as they're sentient and sapient and capable of the full range of emotions we are, then the arguments against it are more or less identical to those against interracial relationships. 

 

Just saying this to state my opinion on the matter.

Modifié par Former_Fiend, 12 juin 2014 - 10:04 .

[Aner91]

It was implied that limiting romances to particular genders and races actually saves resources to an extent because less versions of the scenes need to be created. 

 

Considering how much dialogue would have to differ as well (male vs female pronouns and so forth) Having gender and race restrictions probably consumes no more resources than having the same LI's be available to everyone. 

Nice point, but why then make restrictions? if it costs the same and all?

[Former_Fiend]

There's a big difference between keeping your expectations low and loudly condemning something that is purely theoretical.

 

Thing is that there is absolutely no way they can implement racial restrictions that I will support. I condemn the very notion of them.

[sandalisthemaker]

 

This is what I'm reviewing in my mind and revisiting what devs (Gaider in particular) have said, repeatedly, over the last several years about resources and romances.  It is tertiary content at best.  How they try to make romance content that will net the widest range of people interested in that already minority content.  But now with gender and racial restrictions in DAI... my brain's boggling.  

 

Then again, race-gating may end up being more cost effective.  If you have IB a bi romance but only to 2 races, then you have Cullen a bi romance only available to the other 2 races.  Together, animation and resource-wise, it may roughly even out.  I'm grasping at the darkness here, though.

 

Yeah, maybe they would place race restrictions on LI's to prevent issues with huge size differences between character models. That does make sense. 

 

Still, too many restrictions IMO.

[falconlord5]

Nice point, but why then make restrictions? if it costs the same and all?

 

I don't think it does. Based on what Allan's said, making them available to everyone costs more than restricting them, at least animation-wise.

 

And that's probably the most important bit of it. Animation is brutally expensive.

[Ryzaki]

Nice point, but why then make restrictions? if it costs the same and all?

 

It doesn't. It's more animations for each race.

 

So an LI who's open to all races would need 8 animations (1 for male and female of each race). At least that's what I got from Allan's post.

[Aner91]

XD I ran out a while ago.

 

But yeah I hope IB is confirmed one way or another (please let him have no race restrictions) I'm pretty sure even the elf Inq is tough enough to handle him. He/she is probably tough enough to fight wyverns, dragons and the like. A little tussling in the sheets isn't gonna slow them down

YES!

 

IB:"But i may make you walk funny afterwa...."

 

INQ: "Don´t worry Iron bull!, i killed that dragon with my bare hands did i not?"

 

IB: "fair point, okey then..."

 

*afterwards*:

 

INQ "...holy maker, i can´t feel my legs!"

 

IB: "Told ya...."

[wright1978]

I understand.
 
However, having a gay companion may seem like gating and a restriction to you but for some gay people it's finally getting to see a companion in the world of Thedas that is like themselves, not just the customizable protagonist. It could easily have been an non-romanceable gay NPC but companions (and followers) are who the players spend most of the game with. I find it's very courageous on the developers part to make this decision.
 
Without taking race restrictions into consideration and if there is 6 romance options, straight and gay protagonists have 2 romance options each like Dragon Age 2. While bisexual protagonists get 4 romance options also like Dragon Age 2. Not really a huge difference.

I see the representation argument but don't think romances should be used in that manner, npc's fine.
Even without race restrictions it looked like companion romance was being diluted with adviser romance. Now with race romance there seems reasonable indications of further erosion. It's not the direction I wanted them to go but if there's an option I find workable I'll make do and mend while venting my frustrations and hoping for a reversal in future games.