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haha XD
And now I want that in the game 
it'll probably go like "Ah yes 'Reapers'." and never show up *grumble*
This is your Inquisitor isn't it?
That's beautiful XD
An individual can be fine with the concept of a, let's say, dwarf/human relationship but may not want to enter into one themselves.
Yep agreed.
That said I'm pro being able to kick someone out of the party (kick not kill) for any reason whatsoever whether I agree with those reasons or not.
Someone who is completely shut off to the idea, that they would never engage in such a relationship, no matter what, no matter how much they connected to that person otherwise. That's someone I don't want to associate with.
So you would refuse to associate with gay people because they refuse the idea of a relationship with someone of the opposite gender, no matter how connected they became to one?
As you said, it's fine for them to have their preferences. They can just have them somewhere else.
Alright BioWare.
You told us about Sera. Will you tell us Cassandra and Cullen's sexual orientations?
Will you let us know, before release, all of the LI's and all of the restrictions on each of their romances?
These are things that I am sure many of us want to know. I have several characters planned out, and knowing who they can romance is something I personally like to know and plan for while making their backstory and prepare to play them. I'm sure I'm not alone in this.
Actually I think it was accidently reveal at Heroes of Cosplay, Bioware only confirmed it because people kept asking
No, it isn't. We've been over this.
It's implying that I don't want to associate with people who are completely closed off to the concept of an interracial relationship, not that I don't want to associate with people who won't sleep with me.
Were I playing a human and there was one character who absolutely dismissed the concept of romance with dwarves or qunari, they'd get the boot. They're free to have their preferences somewhere else.
I was afraid you were going somewhere when we were arguing earlier in the thread this morning.
I didn't like it, ya know.
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Meh. I think dwelling on this too much is actually annoying me now. lol
I was OK at first.. funny how simply "thinking" more about it pisses me off 
I think I'll just deal with it and be quiet. I already preordered anyways.
Yeah, it's kind of like those girls at a party I overheard making jokes about how Asian men have small penises.
I just REALLY want to be friends with them (since I'm half, they can't tell they're insulting me to my face). I am so openminded.
It's implying that I don't want to associate with people who are completely closed off to the concept of an interracial relationship, not that I don't want to associate with people who won't sleep with me.
We don't know that either of those things are part of the context of these potential restrictions though. What if they had some quasi-sensible, non-racist reason for it, like being the last of their line and needing to carry on their family? We've been told that elf+human=human and it's been implied in banter that elf+dwarf=dwarf, and do we even know if Qunari can reproduce with the rest?
I totally agree that the notion of pure preference is problematic when the different races are used as metaphors for human cultures, but if we are to take them as distinct species, that changes the flavour of the preference, at least to my mind (especially when we know that there are different cultures within each race, so we could potentially distinguish between a character whose preference is about xenophobia and one whose preference is species specific).
Yep agreed.
That said I'm pro being able to kick someone out of the party (kick not kill) for any reason whatsoever whether I agree with those reasons or not.
Oh kicking people out of the party is fine, it's an option that should be there. But it should be for a good reason imo. Fiends post?It's extremely offensive and disgusting and I have no intention of even arguing the case further with someone like that. Complaining about people being closed minded by being close minded does not sit well with me at all.
Nice point, but why then make restrictions? if it costs the same and all?
There's having preferences and then there's being completely closed off to the concept. I have preferences; there are certain ethnic qualities I prefer over others. But I don't dismiss the idea of finding romance with any race because I find other things- the ability to have a good conversation and a sense of humor, for example - far more important.
Someone who is completely shut off to the idea, that they would never engage in such a relationship, no matter what, no matter how much they connected to that person otherwise. That's someone I don't want to associate with.
The bottleneck is the cinematic department, not writing or voice acting.
And what are they, game makers?
There's having preferences and then there's being completely closed off to the concept. I have preferences; there are certain ethnic qualities I prefer over others. But I don't dismiss the idea of finding romance with any race because I find other things- the ability to have a good conversation and a sense of humor, for example - far more important.
Someone who is completely shut off to the idea, that they would never engage in such a relationship, no matter what, no matter how much they connected to that person otherwise. That's someone I don't want to associate with.
That still sounds incredibly crude. You are pretty much saying you would fire someone because they don't want to make exceptions that are of your liking. In fact this is simply ableist.
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Yes. There is no guarantee that a particular gender/race combination will have as many romantic prospects as another.
And that's fine. Romance options are not candy to be dispensed fairly and evenly, and if there's a particular character that you've decided before the game is released that you must romance, it's advisable you play a different PC. The most we can do (and have done) is ensure that there's no overall slanting towards a particular group-- it's all over the map, for various reasons.
If this means: "we can't be bothered to make romance animations for Qunari or dwarves because they are weird sizes so you must play an elf or a human to romance someone" I'm out. Otherwise, I'm game.
Oh kicking people out of the party is fine, it's an option that should be there. But it should be for a good reason imo. Fiends post?It's extremely offensive and disgusting and I have no intention of even arguing the case further with someone like that. Complaining about people being closed minded by being close minded does not sit well with me at all.
Eh I don't agree with the has to be for a good reason because what's a good reason varies from person to person. If someone wants to kick someone out and does it for a reason I disagree with or find ridiculous I don't see the issue. It's not my game. If that's what they want to do in their gameworld they're welcome to it I'm not bothered.
This is your Inquisitor isn't it?
Hell yeah
There's having preferences and then there's being completely closed off to the concept. I have preferences; there are certain ethnic qualities I prefer over others. But I don't dismiss the idea of finding romance with any race because I find other things- the ability to have a good conversation and a sense of humor, for example - far more important.
Someone who is completely shut off to the idea, that they would never engage in such a relationship, no matter what, no matter how much they connected to that person otherwise. That's someone I don't want to associate with.
I think, in the case of Iron Bull at least, if he is restricted to qunari it's probably for safety reasons tbh. Would you kick him for that?
We don't know that either of those things are part of the context of these potential restrictions though. What if they had some quasi-sensible, non-racist reason for it, like being the last of their line and needing to carry on their family? We've been told that elf+human=human and it's been implied in banter that elf+dwarf=dwarf, and do we even know if Qunari can reproduce with the rest?
I totally agree that the notion of pure preference is problematic when the different races are used as metaphors for human cultures, but if we are to take them as distinct species, that changes the flavour of the preference, at least to my mind (especially when we know that there are different cultures within each race, so we could potentially distinguish between a character whose preference is about xenophobia and one whose preference is species specific).
That's something I'd like to see actually tackled in a romance arc as opposed to something I think should automatically shut one down. That's an interesting story; the conflict between the responsibility to one's family and one's own desires. It's a story I'd like to see told, not have the gate slammed shut on.
This is your Inquisitor isn't it?
Hell yeah
There's having preferences and then there's being completely closed off to the concept. I have preferences; there are certain ethnic qualities I prefer over others. But I don't dismiss the idea of finding romance with any race because I find other things- the ability to have a good conversation and a sense of humor, for example - far more important.
Someone who is completely shut off to the idea, that they would never engage in such a relationship, no matter what, no matter how much they connected to that person otherwise. That's someone I don't want to associate with.
I think, in the case of Iron Bull at least, if he is restricted to qunari it's probably for safety reasons tbh. Would you kick him for that?
It doesn't cost the same. Having someone romance a male and female PC costs more in terms of manpower than just romancing a male one. Having someone romance a human, elf, dwarven, and qunari PC costs more in terms of manpower than just romancing a human and elf.
The bottleneck is the cinematic department, not writing or voice acting.
That's not to say that DA I will have no bisexual romances or that all of them will be race gated.
People do realise i posted that in a responce to someone who said it costs the same right? i wanted him/her to talk more about it but didn´t and i was being sarcastic, it looks like i need to practice more! Where is Allan!! 
but thanks for all the answers 
Edit: seems like i need to practice my spelling aswell... 
I dislike many kinds of arguments myself. It doesn't make them any less valid however.
I consider the realism argument to be invalid.
It's cherry picking and makes me angry when I see it because it's always applied arbitrarily. "This thing that I support is realistic. While this thing I cannot be bothered with is unrealistic."
With respect to romance content there's already a whole heck of a lot of things that aren't realistic due to the realities of it being a video game.
There's having preferences and then there's being completely closed off to the concept. I have preferences; there are certain ethnic qualities I prefer over others. But I don't dismiss the idea of finding romance with any race because I find other things- the ability to have a good conversation and a sense of humor, for example - far more important.
Someone who is completely shut off to the idea, that they would never engage in such a relationship, no matter what, no matter how much they connected to that person otherwise. That's someone I don't want to associate with.
Or you could, y'know.. practice what you preach, and not be so intolerant of those you deem to be intolerant.
Eh I don't agree with the has to be for a good reason because what's a good reason varies from person to person. If someone wants to kick someone out and does it for a reason I disagree with or find ridiculous I don't see the issue. It's not my game. If that's what they want to do in their gameworld they're welcome to it I'm not bothered.
Guess I'm not just grumpy right now
And what are they, game makers?
People do realise i posted that in a responce to someone who said it costs the same right? i wanted him/her to talk more about it but didn´t and i was being sarcastic, it looks like i need to practice more! Where is Allan!!
Edit: seems like i need to practice my spelling aswell...
Yes, people in the cinematic department are game makers. Everyone on the development team is a game maker.
Correct.
Guess I'm not just grumpy right now
XD
I am the person who gladly let her party perma die after the underdark because I couldn't take those jerkwads anymore so there's that *Then reloaded dumped all their asses at Cooper Cornet and recruited some mod NPCs cause screw them*
Man BG2 *shudders*
So while I'm not as happy since my FemQunari might end up forever alone I will play my scorched earth response to a light insult Ice King first it's relaxing.
Hell yeah
I think, in the case of Iron Bull at least, if he is restricted to qunari it's probably for safety reasons tbh. Would you kick him for that?
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