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[cjones91]

Those too lol

Great minds think alike.lmao

[fiveforchaos]

You know, you did remind me of something.  I feel racial restrictions are extremely detrimental and don't add any sort of replay for me.  Now, if I had just been told that a players actions are a gating mechanism, then I would have been fine with that.  

 

It made no sense that you could be a blood mage and Fenris to still agree to be with you.  Or be very anti-mage, yet you can still have the romance with Anders.  Having a companion accept or reject my advances based upon my actions in the game would have made perfect sense.  

 

To be honest, that was the only gating I would have liked.  Gating by sexuality wasn't something I really wanted, but I have no few issues with it now.  

 

So, Varric might not be attracted to an elf, but in theory he could hook up with a very cruel necromancer that doesn't give a toss about anyone's life.   That would break my immersion far more than him finding a human attractive.  Unless they've already romances that gated by action, and added in the racial gating "because it helps create more of an organic character."

Or race/gender/and choices could all be a factor. There's that possibility. 

[TheodoricFriede]

I believe 'some' would be the key word there.

Give me a break.

 

Its a game. Its ok if members of that "some" are romancable.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Because I would prefer it. Why shouldn't it be?

 

Except that's exactly what it wouldn't be. Especially since the males of the Inquisition (unlike the females) aren't mostly human save 1. Varric, Iron Bull and Solas are all non humans and might just not be attracted to humans and if any of them are LIs that means there might not be balance between male and female humans.

I count three human males that could potentially be romancable, and three human females which could potentially be romancable. I don't know... To me that sounds about equal.... So yes... The straight human female having an equal amount of romantic subjects as the straight human male, would counter balance eachother.

[Former_Fiend]

But why this thing that romance has to be hard to obtain? Restrictions is not hard, it´s cheap.

 

You have no idea how long I've been waiting to use that gif.

[TheodoricFriede]

Those are in the minority though .Human,elven,qunari,and dwarven societies aren't so peachy about cross racial relationships.

I like to imagine that, in a video game, its ok for members of the players party to be ok with it.

 

Hence the whole idea of uniting people to ward off Fade Reapers or whatever.

[mikeymoonshine]

Or race/gender/and choices could all be a factor. There's that possibility. 

 

There has to be flexibility too, if they are all strong factors then the only way you can complete a romance is by making the right inquisitor for your LI and then just agreeing with them about everything. Some of DA2's rivalmances weren't all that believable but the idea of rivalmance itself was a good one. Sometimes people can fall in love with people who don't share their views. It really depends. 

[Maria Caliban]

You know, you did remind me of something.  I feel racial restrictions are extremely detrimental and don't add any sort of replay for me.

Racial restrictions can be the difference between someone only romancing elves or not being available for romance at all. Having to create a scene with a qunari, dwarf, elf, and human of both genders is more expensive than just an elf of both genders.

As Allan mentioned in another thread, if they made romances available to all PCs, they'd have had fewer romances over all.

[Aner91]

 

You have no idea how long I've been waiting to use that gif.

Well, it was a pretty awesome Gif

[cjones91]

"Some" people are also homosexual, and *no* I am not even remotely comparing fantasy pairings with the legitimacy of actual sexual identities in reality.  I am simply saying that using the logic that only "some" people like a thing could be used as grounds to dismiss homosexual players or really anything that doesn't fit into the "most" stereotype of "white dude who digs white straight human chicks."

Whoa back up there....I don't support excluding anyone but just like in real life video game characters can and do have preferences and types.

 

Your analogy doesn't hold water.

[TheodoricFriede]

As Allan mentioned in another thread, if they made romances available to all PCs, they'd have had fewer romances over all.

Yes, but racial restrictions likely mean that, while more people are available total, less people are available to any given PC.

[Allan Schumacher]

To me this basically reads: we don't want people to plan their characters out before they play the game.  Isn't that the point here?  Designing a role and playing it?  Even if that "role" is just the player interjected into the story, I already *know* what I do and don't find attractive before I start to play the game.  As soon as I see the companions lined up and have two lines of information about them, I'm already going to be measuring one against another based either on myself or my characters preferences.

 

Lets not get into definitions of what it means to "design a role" or what it means to roleplay or what have you.  I design a role when I play RPGs as well, to which I then react accordingly to the events that I am given while in the game.  This is different than yours (which is fine), but I'm definitely the type of gamer that is fluid and organic in my relationships.

 

But I'm also the type of gamer thats like going in with the idea and concept, and I organically mold it to the game as I play through.  Ideally I don't even know who the characters are.  Sometimes my characters have in game epiphanies and revelations and they end up being completely different and it wasn't planned at all (My KOTOR playthrough fit this to a tee, and it's one of my favourite memories in gaming).

 

I'm not saying that you wanting to do it your way is lesser than mine, but it's just that I don't feel that something like this means we aren't letting players plan their characters, unless we only take a specific subset of "planning."

 

 

The principal reason why I can't plan through a full playthrough with my first character, though, is because I feel that the game will innately force me to deviate from what I want to do in it because I'm unaware of the game mechanics and narrative elements that may or may not substantiate the goals of my playthrough.  But I'm also someone that (if it were up to me) wouldn't reveal who the romances were (whether or not this makes me a jerk or not, I suppose, is up to the other person) and I'm also someone who is okay if a game doesn't have romance content.  It's just different.

[cjones91]

I like to imagine that, in a video game, its ok for members of the players party to be ok with it.

 

Hence the whole idea of uniting people to ward off Fade Reapers or whatever.

I'm just saying there's a negative view regarding cross racial relationships in all of DA societies. Elves look down on human/elven pairings because of their history and the fact it doesn't help their race's numbers go up.

[TheodoricFriede]

I'm just saying there's a negative view regarding cross racial relationships in all of DA societies. Elves look down on human/elven pairings because of their history and the fact it doesn't help their race's numbers go up.

It doesnt change the fact that some people are "xenophiles" for lack of a better term.

 

Myself included.

[Maria Caliban]

Yes, but racial restrictions likely mean that, while more people are available total, less people are available to any given PC.

With racial restrictions:
Cullen
Cassandra
Sera
Dorian (human only)

Without racial restrictions:
Cullen
Cassandra
Sera

[Allan Schumacher]

This is still ridiculous.  As I theorized way back, Qunari have a roughly 17% size increase over normal human beings.  So unless all Qunari are RIDICULOUSLY ENDOWED, we're looking at well within human boundaries for the average Qunari. The difference between 6 inches and 7 inches.  *eyeroll*

 

Qunari could be like Silverback Gorillas too.

[SnakeCode]

I agree about not revealing the romances before launch. I'm the type of player that likes to adapt and learn about the world, plot and characters in game. It's why I usually find my first playthrough is always unique, and by far the most enjoyable.

[Neon Rising Winter]

I'm just saying there's a negative view regarding cross racial relationships in all of DA societies. Elves look down on human/elven pairings because of their history and the fact it doesn't help their race's numbers go up.

Yes, but our party is made up of a self selecting set of people who are happy to mingle with other races, which also isn't true of the wider DA racial groups. Now I accept there is mingle and then there is mingle, but you wouldn't be suspending my disbelief too horribly if you said this lot are also a bit more open minded in their shagging selections.

[cjones91]

It doesnt change the fact that some people are "xenophiles" for lack of a better term.

 

Myself included.

I'm planning on having my red headed female elven mage romance Cullen so count me in among the xenophile group as well.

 

I was just explaining the views regarding cross racial relationships in DA's world is all.

[sandalisthemaker]

Allan, Pandora's Box has already been opened. They can't just tell us that Sera is a lesbian and leave it at that. What about Cassandra and Cullen?

 

2 female LI's have been revealed, but only 1 male LI has been revealed. Why not reveal another male LI. Etc.

 

 

The BSN beast has been awakened. There is no turning back now. 

[Maria Caliban]

Qunari could be like Silverback Gorillas too.

Harem confirmed for qunari PC.

[TheodoricFriede]

With racial restrictions:
Cullen
Cassandra
Sera
Dorian (human only)

Without racial restrictions:
Cullen
Cassandra
Sera

I dont understand what you are trying to say.

But if this is an issue of character models not matching up, its far closer to:

 

Without restrictions

Straight dwarven male: Cassandra, Scribe, Maybe Vivien.

 

With restrictions.

Straight dwarven male:

[Grieving Natashina]

As Allan mentioned in another thread, if they made romances available to all PCs, they'd have had fewer romances over all.

And as I said earlier, that doesn't bother me personally.  If anything, it sounds like the devs are almost being threatening about it, and that isn't right. 

 

Please don't mistake me.  I wouldn't want the choices that others are receiving to be taken away.  For their sake, I'm glad there is going to be a lot of options.  Racial restrictions don't add a thing for me, nor does it make me inclined to replay the game for that reason.   If it does for others, I'm glad.