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[TKavatar]

I can see what you mean by this, but there is still some evidence of people being uncomfortable with s/s relationships. Both Gamlen and Oghren express some "ew, who's the girl?" dialogue with respect to s/s relationship. So it's not that there isn't discomfort with s/s relationships from some people, it's that there isn't an institutional homophobia being driven by the Chantry, like we see in the real world. So, it stands to reason that Cullen could still have some hesitation because of how other people might perceive him. And, it could be something that he, as a person, could just struggle with. We'll have to wait to see (if he's even bisexual) in DA: I how he addresses it.

There's always gonna be people like Oghren and Gamlen who find girl on girl to be hot and two guys doing it to be icky, just like in RL, but IMO those people are few in number. The majority of people in Ferelden see it as a quirk of character anyway so I don't see how that's an issue. Maybe DAI will clarify this (if he's bi, that is).

[daveliam]

There's always gonna be people like Oghren and Gamlen who find girl on girl to be hot and two guys doing it to be icky, just like in RL, but IMO those people are few in number. The majority of people in Ferelden see it as a quirk of character anyway so I don't see how that's an issue. Maybe DAI will clarify this (if he's bi, that is).

 

Right, so just like there will always be people like Oghren and Gamlem, there will always be people who struggle to accept their own s/s attraction.  Being "nerdy" is a quirk in character as well, but people hide their inner nerds all the time because of how other people might perceive them.  That's not really the best example, but I hope it makes my point that there might be other reasons besides intitutionalized homophobia that could cause someone to not be terribly comfortable with their "quirk" (i.e. s/s attraction).

[Arachlia]

Again, that only happens if you played as a female Warden.  If you didn't (which the majority of the players didn't), then you would have no idea that he had any attraction to anyone regardless of gender.  It's just not really compelling evidence.

Let's put it this way: Only thing that changed between Origin-stories was whether Duncan was there to conscript you and what type of Warden you played; otherwise events, characters and their personalities stay SAME. Aeducan gets betrayed by Bhelen, Couslands are attacked, Brosca gets in trouble for fighting in Provings, Mahariel gets sick with taint, etc. Just because my player character does not know about it does not make things or characters different.

 

And as I said, it's not impossible for him be bisexual, but evidence so far points out that he had romantic feelings only for a female Mage and not male Mage.

[daveliam]

Let's put it this way: Only thing that changed between Origin-stories was whether Duncan was there to conscript you and what type of Warden you played; otherwise events, characters and their personalities stay SAME. Aeducan gets betrayed by Bhelen, Couslands are attacked, Brosca gets in trouble for fighting in Provings, Mahariel gets sick with taint, etc. Just because my player character does not know about it does not make things or characters different.

 

And as I said, it's not impossible for him be bisexual, but evidence so far points out that he had romantic feelings only for a female Mage and not male Mage.

 

No, I get that, but Cullen only has a "crush" on a female mage Warden.  We don't know if that mysterious Amell/Surana even was a woman in those other playthroughs.  Plus, he gives no indication of that information in most playthroughs. 

 

I guess my point is that, outside of the people who happened to play as female Wardens and those who read the forums, most people have no indication of his sexuality.  I agree that he might be straight.  I also agree that he might be bisexual and that it wouldn't be a "change" or "retcon" if he were. 

[BubbleDncr]

It's just heavily assumed because he's the only male elf and people expect an elf LI. It's possible that he's not.

 

I just assume he's a love interest because of who the options are/wishful thinking. There's basically him, DHMG, Grey Warden, and Iron Bull.

 

Solas and DHMG just look more likely to fit the LI role, IMO. If, say, they made one gay male and one straight male companion, and one of those two were the gay option and either Iron Bull or Grey Warden was the straight option, a lot of female characters might feel like they got the short end of the stick - just cos beards and qunari both seem to be a thing you're either into or not..and if you're not...you'd basically be stuck with an NPC/non-companion romance...which is also kind of the short end of the stick.

[Chari]

This again? Let's not start another debate due to which this topic will be closed. 

Let's talk about... I don't know, how Vivienne is totally LI?

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I just assume he's a love interest because of who the options are/wishful thinking. There's basically him, DHMG, Grey Warden, and Iron Bull.

 

Solas and DHMG just look more likely to fit the LI role, IMO. If, say, they made one gay male and one straight male companion, and one of those two were the gay option and either Iron Bull or Grey Warden was the straight option, a lot of female characters might feel like they got the short end of the stick - just cos beards and qunari both seem to be a thing you're either into or not..and if you're not...you'd basically be stuck with an NPC/non-companion romance...which is also kind of the short end of the stick.

Well, I kind of feel the same way, but I've seen multiple people of both genders that like Iron Bull or the warden. I've seen both guys and women say they were worried about getting "stuck" with Solas, too. All the companions have a certain following and others that don't find them attractive at all. Solas got a lot of flack for the baldness, which is basically the same as you feel about beards and qunari.     

[Former_Fiend]

The only male companion I've seen met with near universal approval is DHMG. Haven't really seen him lumped into the "generic pretty boy" pile like Cullen has been.

[Arachlia]

No, I get that, but Cullen only has a "crush" on a female mage Warden.  We don't know if that mysterious Amell/Surana even was a woman in those other playthroughs.  Plus, he gives no indication of that information in most playthroughs. 

 

I guess my point is that, outside of the people who happened to play as female Wardens and those who read the forums, most people have no indication of his sexuality.  I agree that he might be straight.  I also agree that he might be bisexual and that it wouldn't be a "change" or "retcon" if he were. 

That depends alot how it would be writed, but yes, I agree it's possible. Only thing truly impossible would be Cullen turning out to be total gay IMO. Unless he was THAT traumatized by my f!Surana...

 

Nevertheless, it will be interesting to see how things turn out.

 

 

Let Varric be LI, let Varric be LI, let Varric be LI, let Varric be LI......

[WildOrchid]

Let's talk about... I don't know, how Vivienne is totally LI?

 

 

Most people seem to think she won't be LI....

But i do hope she is, especially if she's a gay LI.

[daveliam]

The only male companion I've seen met with near universal approval is DHMG. Haven't really seen him lumped into the "generic pretty boy" pile like Cullen has been.

 

Amen.  My avi is in premature support of my Inquisitor's torrid love affair with this handsome man!

[Former_Fiend]

This again? Let's not start another debate due to which this topic will be closed. 

Let's talk about... I don't know, how Vivienne is totally LI?

 

With most people assuming six, with two of them being npc's, Viv seems to be the odd one out, with several people making the "Sera's an elf, of course she's an LI" assumption.

 

I think it's a logical guess as any, though I wouldn't be surprised either way.

[Chari]

Most people seem to think she won't be LI....

But i do hope she is, especially if she's a gay LI.

I believe it is very like she is a LI. And at least bi, likely gay. Orlais, mages n their culture n stuff

[daveliam]

Did you ever explain why you think it's likely that she's an LI?

 

I get the idea that, if she is an LI, she might be bi or lesbian, but I'm not sure how you came to be so sure that she's an LI to begin with, versus, say...Sera?

[dragondreamer]

I have a feeling the Inquisitor would never be good enough for Vivienne.  

 

Dalish Inquisitor: *runs around Thedas without shoes*

 

Vivienne: *-9000 approval*

[Chari]

Did you ever explain why you think it's likely that she's an LI?

 

I get the idea that, if she is an LI, she might be bi or lesbian, but I'm not sure how you came to be so sure that she's an LI to begin with, versus, say...Sera?

I have. Already. Couple of times

[BubbleDncr]

Well, I kind of feel the same way, but I've seen multiple people of both genders that like Iron Bull or the warden. I've seen both guys and women say they were worried about getting "stuck" with Solas, too. All the companions have a certain following and others that don't find them attractive at all. Solas got a lot of flack for the baldness, which is basically the same as you feel about beards and qunari.     

 

If they make Iron Bull's head bigger, maybe i could go with him. Maybe.

 

Tho I think Iron Bull might be like a Klingon, with the idea that non-qunari women won't be able to match him. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he's only romancable by female qunari players, if at all. And they seemed to imply that some romances may not be gated only by gender.

 

And I don't actually know where Grey Warden's actually stand when it comes to romance...since the two Grey Wardens I really knew seemed to say "to hell with all your Grey Warden rules," (becoming rulers and all)...for some reason I keep thinking they're like the night's watch, and aren't supposed to be sleeping around....

[Former_Fiend]

We've got a little conundrum, and I've mentioned this in other threads, but out of the three female companions, all three of them fit "the mold", as it were, for a Bioware LI, where as aside from DHMG, none of our male companions fit that mold, though most all have developed their own followings, regardless.

 

So for a while I think the general assumption was that all three females were going to be LI's, but with the confirmation of Cullen as an LI, that becomes less likely since people assume there'll be an equal number of of LI's per gender and that if there are npc li's, each gender will get an equal number of those.

 

I've seen people doubting that we'll get six LI's. I think eight is a reach that definitely isn't going to happen, but that's just me.

[WildOrchid]

I have a feeling the Inquisitor would never be good enough for Vivienne.  

 

Dalish Inquisitor: *runs around Thedas without shoes*

 

Vivienne: *-9000 approval*

 

I ran out of likes but LOL.

Something tells me i will have so much fun with Viv.

[Sherbet Lemon]

I have a feeling the Inquisitor would never be good enough for Vivienne.  

 

Dalish Inquisitor: *runs around Thedas without shoes*

 

Vivienne: *-9000 approval*

 

Oooh, I now want a scene where Vivi and Leliana both try to get a Dalish Inquistor into a pair of shoes.  AHHHH! 

[Chari]

Well, I think that NPCs being LIs is pretty much obvious. 

We have three advisers: Cullen, Lelianna and Scribbles

Lelianna can't be LI for obvious reasons

Cullen is LI

Scribbles is a mystery

We were told about more or less equal LIs for all sexualities and genders

So, tada

Scribbles is LI

95% sure

[Nocte ad Mortem]

If they make Iron Bull's head bigger, maybe i could go with him. Maybe.

 

Tho I think Iron Bull might be like a Klingon, with the idea that non-qunari women won't be able to match him. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he's only romancable by female qunari players, if at all. And they seemed to imply that some romances may not be gated only by gender.

 

And I don't actually know where Grey Warden's actually stand when it comes to romance...since the two Grey Wardens I really knew seemed to say "to hell with all your Grey Warden rules," (becoming rulers and all)...for some reason I keep thinking they're like the night's watch, and aren't supposed to be sleeping around....

Iron Bull's head is strangely small. lol

 

I'm skeptical that they would write a romance just for one race, especially one that a minority of people might even use, and then compound that by also gating it by gender. That's a lot of resources for a small amount of people. I think the romances will probably only be gated, besides gender, by certain choices you make that would make the companion turn against you either way. I don't think they have the resources for race specific LIs. 

 

I don't think grey warden have any rules about relationships. I think our warden might be pretty close to his calling, though, which would negate his availability. 

[Former_Fiend]

I've always found the gating by race to be a poor choice. Sends the wrong message in regards to interracial relationships, in my opinion.

[Shaen Mac Tir]

I've always found the gating by race to be a poor choice. Sends the wrong message in regards to interracial relationships, in my opinion.

 

On that, my friend, we can agree. I am still dissappointed with the fact that we haven't seen any dwarven or qunari LIs whatsoever.

[daveliam]

We've got a little conundrum, and I've mentioned this in other threads, but out of the three female companions, all three of them fit "the mold", as it were, for a Bioware LI, where as aside from DHMG, none of our male companions fit that mold, though most all have developed their own followings, regardless.

 

So for a while I think the general assumption was that all three females were going to be LI's, but with the confirmation of Cullen as an LI, that becomes less likely since people assume there'll be an equal number of of LI's per gender and that if there are npc li's, each gender will get an equal number of those.

 

I've seen people doubting that we'll get six LI's. I think eight is a reach that definitely isn't going to happen, but that's just me.

 

So a few thoughts based on your post:

 

*  I'm not so sure that I see Vivienne as fitting within the LI mold.  Yes, she's absolutely gorgeous, but outside of that she seems to me to be more of the "unattainable companion" mold, like Varric and Aveline (and Samara from ME).  Her haughty and superior attitude could very well be written as a "no lowly inquisitor is good enough for me" type of gal.  It's just my gut at this point.

 

* I totally agree that I don't see 8 LIs in our future.  That is so far above what we've had in DA 2 that the comment about resources being similar between the games would not make sense.  Although, given that it's looking more likely that both Cole and Dorian are in after being told that at least one of them wasn't, I guess anything's possible.

 

* I am also not really going to rest my hat on the perfectly symmetrical distributions that people are putting forward.  1.)  Just because we have 1 NPC romance (especially given that he's Cullen, who has a very strong fanbase), doesn't mean that we will have more than one; and 2.) If we do have more than one, I could very easily see them having different sexualities from each other.  Just because something "makes sense" doesn't mean it's going to happen.  Look at, well, pretty much every other game where it wasn't evenly distributed.

 

So, I'm sticking with Cass as straight, Sera as bi, and Scribe Girl as lesbian.  It's totally based on my jaded interpretation of past tropes in Bioware romances and I'm perfectly aware that I might be completely wrong.  In fact, I'm looking forward to being proved wrong because what I expect isn't what I want.