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[daveliam]

When talking about characters who fit the LI mold but didn't make the cut, none of them have really had "we're not good enough for them" as a reason. Varric's pining for Bianca, Aveline's pining for Wesley and by the time she's done she's moved on to Donnic, Samara's got her duty first attitude, Katsumi's pining for her ex and then for Jacob, and Vega's intimidated. 

 

I could see Vivienne as being the first who had that "too good for us" attitude, but at the same time, it's been pointed out that she's arguably a better candidate for the defrosting ice queen storyline than Cassandra is. Likewise, given any choice would arguably be entirely arbitrary, Sera may well fall into the "in love with someone else" catagory of characters we can't romance, given we know nothing of her history.

 

I had seen pretty strong arguments for Vivienne and Sera being Li's without Cassandra being available by those who were expecting only four Li's; as it stands, I could see either Viv or Sera making the cut; the only thing that's really been presented to put Sera over Viv in that discussion is that Sera's an elf and elves in the main games have always been LI's. But maybe that's a trend they plan on breaking.

 

I do agree that assumptions of balance, especially in regards to the NPC Li's, aren't a sure thing, but I think it's the best assumption to labor under for the purposes of these discussions until we know otherwise.

 

Yeah, that makes sense.

Just to clarify, I didn't mean that past unattainable LI's were "too good for the PC", just that this is how I would see Vivienne being that would make her unattainable.

 

My main argument that it's going to be Sera over Vivienne isn't that Sera's an elf, per se, it's that Sera is more different than Cass and Vivienne than they are to each other.  She's young, she's more childish, she's an elf.  Both Cassandra and Vivienne are strong, influential human women in positions of power.  Both are a little, aggressive? (severe?) in their personalities too.  I just see too much overlap between the two when compared to the diversity that Sera would bring. 

 

And then, if you add in Scribe Girl as a third human woman in a position of power (if she really is our advisor for trade and politics), then it just seems to me that offering a "lighter" romance would be good.  Of course, who knows how their romances will play out.  Cassandra could end up being playful and flirty.  Or Vivienne.  And, we know nothing really of Scribe Girl yet, so who knows what she'll end up like.  I think that they like to offer diversity in their LI's and Sera is the most different (on the surface) than the other two companions.

[ahellbornlady]

I kinda hope the NPCs are the straight LIs. If the NPC romances have less content, let them have it. 

 

Cullen (NPC) - Straight

Solas - Bi

Dorian - Gay

 

Scribbles (NPC) - Straight

Cassandra - Bi

Sera - Gay

 

These are my current predictions but we'll see.

[Hellion Rex]

It's just strange to me seeing what people are worried about with this split. I will see one person say they're worried they wont get a companion human LI they like, then another saying they have to make the elves bisexual for diversity, and then another saying they don't want to be stuck with the elves. There are dedicated fans for almost every companion that will be devastated if they don't get their option, especially for popular characters, like Cullen, Cassandra, Solas, Dorian, Sera. A lot of people aren't at all fans of NPC romances and worry they'll be stuck with less companion LIs than others. 

 

Seems like this is bound to end in a lot of tears. Obviously a lot of people aren't going to get anything close to what they wanted. 

There will always be people who are gonna be disappointed unfortunately.

[JakeLeTDK]

OOOH...Celene IS on the rebound...

...but then so is Briala.

 

Maria you just made everything so much more complicated for me.

Ohhh seduce the Empress to gain Orlais support. That would make good series of side quest ) And hopefully a chance to ballroom dance in an Orlesian party )

[Phate Phoenix]

I'm guessing he'll be the gay love interest because I think Sera is going to be either bisexual or a lesbian, and I think they might want a straight elf to 'balance' that. (We've never had a straight elf companion yet.) So that makes Solas straight, Cullen bi and leaves Dorian/DHMG as the gay dude.

 

Of course, this is pure conjecture could be completely wrong. We don't even know if any of these people are LIs in the first place. (Well, other than Cullen.) For all I know, we could end up with Cassandra, Vivienne, Scribbles, Cullen, Varric and Iron Bull.

 

The only problem I see with that is that means two-thirds of a female Inquisitor's possible LI's are elves, and the one human is a non-companion, and male Inquisitors get only humans. Of course rectifying this means either straight Inquisitors do not get non-human LI's, or gay Inquisitors don't. I am not sure what is more likely.

[Former_Fiend]

Yeah, that makes sense.

Just to clarify, I didn't mean that past unattainable LI's were "too good for the PC", just that this is how I would see Vivienne being that would make her unattainable.

 

My main argument that it's going to be Sera over Vivienne isn't that Sera's an elf, per se, it's that Sera is more different than Cass and Vivienne than they are to each other.  She's young, she's more childish, she's an elf.  Both Cassandra and Vivienne are strong, influential human women in positions of power.  Both are a little, aggressive? (severe?) in their personalities too.  I just see too much overlap between the two when compared to the diversity that Sera would bring. 

 

And then, if you add in Scribe Girl as a third human woman in a position of power (if she really is our advisor for trade and politics), then it just seems to me that offering a "lighter" romance would be good.  Of course, who knows how their romances will play out.  Cassandra could end up being playful and flirty.  Or Vivienne.  And, we know nothing really of Scribe Girl yet, so who knows what she'll end up like.  I think that they like to offer diversity in their LI's and Sera is the most different (on the surface) than the other two companions.

 

I see what you're saying, though I also think that depending on how they wanted to play the romances, Cass and Viv have more than enough differences to make their romance archs diverse.

 

I'd also point out that Sera being the head of a thief's guild, assuming that's still true, also puts her as a woman in a position of power, and in a line of work where you're as likely to deal with knives in the back from your own people as you are from your enemies. Sera might be the most humorous out of the three, but I have no doubt she'll have a serious side that could match theirs when she needs it.

[Sherbet Lemon]

And that's why i want her for my lady. D:

Because she's the most interesting character for me so far, and the only one we know (DA2, the anime etc)

But of course i'd still love her even if she was straight. It's just.... she's... Cassandra. D:

 

 

 

Wow really? Haven't seen such post like this.. unless you mean the 'please don't be straight' pic?

 

Edited for typo.

 

I lurked on that thread.  Some people really lit into her.  I felt bad for her because she was really new here and this place can be a bit vicious to new posters.

 

I'd still love Cassandra if she were straight, but I wouldn't be able to romance her.  I just can't make it through a roleplay as a man.  I get too bored and can't finish it.  I can't engage the same way, but I've certainly tried.  I wasn't sure how I'd feel about Isabela's romance, and then I romanced her and I really enjoyed it.  She became one of my favorite characters so I fully expect that to happen to whoever is romanceable (man or woman) in the next game.  

 

I do and I don't want Vivienne to be romanced.  I think so far she sounds awesome and it's really exciting to have a character that looks like her for a companion (one of the first shown off even), but some of the comments she's going to draw and the mods that are going to whitewash her... *shakes head*

[dragondreamer]

It's just strange to me seeing what people are worried about with this split. I will see one person say they're worried they wont get a companion human LI they like, then another saying they have to make the elves bisexual for diversity, and then another saying they don't want to be stuck with the elves. There are dedicated fans for almost every companion that will be devastated if they don't get their option, especially for popular characters, like Cullen, Cassandra, Solas, Dorian, Sera. A lot of people aren't at all fans of NPC romances and worry they'll be stuck with less companion LIs than others. 

 

Seems like this is bound to end in a lot of tears. Obviously a lot of people aren't going to get anything close to what they wanted. 

 

Yeah, trying to make my own prediction I just threw up my hands often because no matter what I could see how someone was going to be unhappy about something.  Actually...the way I came up with my list was to make a wild guess about who the inevitable big plot LI npcs were.  (This is why I don't have Solas as gay in my lineup, that and a clumsy attempt at racial balance.)  I've always thought it would be best if those were the bi ones for the sake of giving more emotional access to the biggest plot events to everyone.  After that, I worked around those to try to find a good balance.

[BubbleDncr]

The only problem I see with that is that means two-thirds of a female Inquisitor's possible LI's are elves, and the one human is a non-companion, and male Inquisitors get only humans. Of course rectifying this means either straight Inquisitors do not get non-human LI's, or gay Inquisitors don't. I am not sure what is more likely.

 

I just don't know what people have against romancing elves. They're pretty.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

There will always be people who are gonna be disappointed unfortunately.

I guess I also feel more uncomfortable this time, because I know what would make me happy is also someone else's worst case scenario. I don't want to be disappointed, but I'll also feel bad for those who are disappointed by what I wanted, if it happens. 

 

I think the situation with male LIs is a little more tense, in some ways, because women and gay/bi men are both very underrepresented in games and both demographics are going in nervous about being the ones to get shorted. At least on the other side, if lesbians got more than straight guys or their option fills a popular choice, there's a HUGE precedent for straight guys getting more. 

 

So, I guess what it boils down to, I'll be very disappointed if I don't get an option I like, but I'll also feel guilty that another underrepresented demographic is undoubtedly losing an option they wanted, if I do. It feels like a lose/lose. 

[daveliam]

I just don't know what people have against romancing elves. They're pretty.

 

I feel the exact same way.......

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

about qunari!

[Hellion Rex]

I feel the exact same way......

 

about qunari!

There is so much muscle to love!!!!!

[Phate Phoenix]

I just don't know what people have against romancing elves. They're pretty.

 

Me neither! (Zevran was the best romance ever.) But variety is nice. 

[daveliam]

I guess I also feel more uncomfortable this time, because I know what would make me happy is also someone else's worst case scenario. I don't want to be disappointed, but I'll also feel bad for those who are disappointed by what I wanted, if it happens. 

 

I think the situation with male LIs is a little more tense, in some ways, because women and gay/bi men are both very underrepresented in games and both demographics are going in nervous about being the ones to get shorted. At least on the other side, if lesbians got more than straight guys or their option fills a popular choice, there's a HUGE precedent for straight guys getting more. 

 

So, I guess what it boils down to, I'll be very disappointed if I don't get an option I like, but I'll also feel guilty that another underrepresented demographic is undoubtedly losing an option they wanted, if I do. It feels like a lose/lose. 

 

Agreed.  It's like we can't both win and that puts at odds with each other which is unfortunate.  We could be all be happy with all bisexual guys because then we could all have them without anyone being left out. 

 

I do have to say that I think that straight guys, gay guys, straight ladies, and lesbian ladies will all get equal representation here, though.

[Shark17676]

 

-Who do you want the love interests to be?

Iron Bull and the Grey Warden. I don't expect to get either, although I think Iron Bull might have a fighting chance given that the main character can be any race, thereby opening the door for (hopefully?) Qunari/Human romances, or at the very least Qunari/Qunari. I have no idea if there will be stipulations on what race your main character can be in order to romance characters, but that would be annoying. 

 

-What sort of love interests would you like to see in the future?

More grizzled veterans with hard earned experience and wisdom under their belts. Another words men, not boys. I've had enough of the angst and self-righteous hot-heads. 

 

 

I absolutely could not agree more.  Give us a man's man for a change.

[WildOrchid]

and the mods that are going to whitewash her... *shakes head*

 

 

It happened already, someone drew white Viv. I read it on tumblr. >.>

She'll be a victim of mods eventually, romanced or not, just like with poor Isabela.

[renfrees]

You should have seen the girl who posted about "let Cass please like girls", which some idiots got up in arms about and started threatening the girl. I was honestly seeing red, and I about damn near ripped those idiots to shreds.

White-knighting, elu? How lovely   

 

On a serious note, I'm gonna like your friendship post.

[Autumn Crowe]

I feel the exact same way.......

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

about qunari!

Yeeessssss.  As Former Fiend said, my Qun has demands.  ;D

[Hellion Rex]

White-knighting, elu? How lovely 

 

On a serious note, I'm gonna like your friendship post.

I'll ignore your obviously rude snark, and thank you for the other like.

[oceanicsurvivor]

 

I do have to say that I think that straight guys, gay guys, straight ladies, and lesbian ladies will all get equal representation here, though.

 

I'm really grateful for this b/c yeah it does look like that...I am still wary though, b/c I feel really nervous about being critical about the game/LI's b/c it could still so easily be taken away. I want equal representation to become the norm, but I feel as if voicing any concern or critique can/is being taken by some as 'ungrateful'. Like how studios don't want to make a female lead superhero movie, one flop and its b/c of the 'special' content that was required by us 'special interest' fans.

 

It happened already, someone drew white Viv. I read it on tumblr. >.>

She'll be a victim of mods eventually, romanced or not, just like with poor Isabela.

 

Thankfully however they won't have the excuse they had with Isabela, that she 'looked white' in a previous game (it was the lighting). So people who make and use those mods will have no where to hide and can safely be called out for what they are with no 'wiggle room'.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I have to wonder if the gender gating makes niche interests, like dwarves and qunari, less likely to happen. I could see it being so, honestly. Most people want traditionally attractive LIs and humans still tend to be the most commonly chosen, from the statistics I've read. When they're already stretching just to give all demographics 2 options, I wonder how much is left over to invest in something like this. As is, I could see a lot of people disappointed if their only companion LI was one of these races. Conversely, the minority that really wanted them are just as likely to be locked out.      

[Autumn Crowe]

I absolutely could not agree more.  Give us a man's man for a change.

Agreed on both accounts.  I remember a few years back Wynne and I ended up saying pretty much the same thing.  Less guys who blubber all over you.  Less men who talk about their burning hatred or pain or tragic back story.  Someone who supports you just as much as you support them, and doesn't hang on every word you say.  Someone who you can help out, without them ending up being defined by your input.  Essentially a character that is already established in who they are and will remain fairly resolute in it.

[Divine Justinia V]

White-knighting, elu? How lovely 

 

I hate when I'm out of likes.

 

Seriously though, I can't believe how angry some people get when others wish for characters to bisexual? It's ridiculous.

[daveliam]

I have to wonder if the gender gating makes niche interests, like dwarves and qunari, less likely to happen. I could see it being so, honestly. Most people want traditionally attractive LIs and humans still tend to be the most commonly chosen, from the statistics I've read. When they're already stretching just to give all demographics 2 options, I wonder how much is left over to invest in something like this. As is, I could see a lot of people disappointed if their only companion LI was one of these races. Conversely, the minority that really wanted them are just as likely to be locked out.      

 

Yes, I do see this as an unfortunate side effect of the gender gating.  I suspect that this will make them be more conservative (humans and elves, as always) in their LI choices in this and any other game that takes this approach.  It especially bodes ill for a dwarf LI, unfortunately.  Qunari could go either way.  Some people like them, but I'm not sure if most people find them attractive (there also might be a difference for the genders here too).  While I don't hate the 2/2/2 approach, I'm not going to lie to say that I think that people who are so excited for it's adoption are missing some big drawbacks from it as well.

[Sherbet Lemon]

It happened already, someone drew white Viv. I read it on tumblr. >.>

She'll be a victim of mods eventually, romanced or not, just like with poor Isabela.

 

Ack, I wish I could say I was surprised about it happening this early, but I'm not.  

 

It's just there are a lot of complicated social issues that surround "black" women, their femininity, and their desirability.  I just don't want to see that echoed in the comments here and other place.  It was bad enough during the blond femshep debacle/debate, and I'm not EVEN trying to go there right now.  I just remember a great many things I read that were just awful and short-sighted.

 

On topic:

 

I am beginning to wonder if race will have an effect.  I think that if it's true that the lovely Mary Kirby wrote a romance it could be either Vivi or Varric.  If it was Varric, it could be that a dwarven female will be able to romance him and that opens the door for all kinds of questions and possibilities.