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[Inquisitor Julianos]

Then I want to see racial locks, I want to see a way so butt ugly characters don't have companions swooning. Afterall, you want companions to be people

id be fine with Racial Locks, people like what people like, doesnt bother me.

[daveliam]

No i was making a point that Zevran and Isabella made Great Bisexual Characters because their Personalities, and Beliefs complimented that fact, regardless if you romanced them or not it was fun having them around.

It would have played out exactly the same if they were promiscuous and straight or gay. Just without the s/s and o/s flirts.

[renfrees]

No i was making a point that Zevran and Isabella made Great Bisexual Characters because their Personalities, and Beliefs complimented that fact, regardless if you romanced them or not it was fun having them around.

Or their sexuality complimented their personalities and beliefs, which is not the same.

[CronoDragoon]

I am not bisexual.  Is me saying I can appreciate the beauty of both men and women somehow undermined?

 

No, but that isn't what was asked. It was asked if the character would be different if they weren't bisexual. The answer is yes. Current Zevran has one aspect of his personality informing his sexuality. Hypothethical non-bisexual Zevran would not. That makes him different. Whether this difference is significant enough to inform character design, I don't really care. As I've stated elsewhere, I am A-okay with both the DA2 design and the DA: I design.

[Mr.House]

I'd like to see that too, if it were ever feasible to program.

They did racial locks in BG2.

[Allan Schumacher]

No, but that isn't what was asked. It was asked if the character would be different if they weren't bisexual. The answer is yes. Current Zevran has one aspect of his personality informing his sexuality. Hypothethical non-bisexual Zevran would not. That makes him different. Whether this difference is significant enough to inform character design, I don't really care. As I've stated elsewhere, I am A-okay with both the DA2 design and the DA: I design.

 

So you are saying that if Zevran was only gay, him stating that he appreciates all forms of beauty would be different?

[Ryzaki]

They did racial locks in BG2.

 

I hope they at least make it obvious at the beginning of the game. I made the mistake of making a half elf and got harassed by all three of those psycho chicks D:

[Inquisitor Julianos]

I'm saying that I am not sure why Zevran or Isabella wouldn't also make Great Heterosexual/Homosexual characters, based on how they are presented, as well.

 

It seems problematic to me because they also happen to be very promiscuous and very sexually open.  Is this what makes them Great Bisexual Characters?

Their Prmoscuous because of their life styles, and those life styles have led them to encounters that gave them the options of various sexualities, Isabella was a Pirate, and Zevran is an Assassin and he travelled alot, their Lives, Their Personalities, and where their from and how tolerant sexuality is in their Homelands help make them great characters, and was quite happy with those characters being Bisexual. I would be quite happy with more characters of various Sexualities instead of everyone being Player Sexual.

[CronoDragoon]

 Are you saying that if he was hetero or homosexual, his sexuality would conflict with that part of his character?

 

The logic of this question doesn't match with what I said.

 

Zevran is X because of Y and Zevran is ~X and therefore ~Y are not equivalent statements.

[renfrees]

I hope they at least make it obvious at the beginning of the game. I made the mistake of making a half elf and got harassed by all three of those psycho chicks D:

That's why I rolled a female, at least there was only Anomen to dump, which was quite easy.

[daveliam]

Their Prmoscuous because of their life styles, and those life styles have led them to encounters that gave them the options of various sexualities, Isabella was a Pirate, and Zevran is an Assassin and he travelled alot, their Lives, Their Personalities, and where their from and how tolerant sexuality is in their Homelands help make them great characters, and was quite happy with those characters being Bisexual. I would be quite happy with more characters of various Sexualities instead of everyone being Player Sexual.

Your profession doesn't shape your sexuality.

[Mr.House]

I hope they at least make it obvious at the beginning of the game. I made the mistake of making a half elf and got harassed by all three of those psycho chicks D:

I lol'd.

 

I'm just making, the whole "it's realistic" arguments and what not have no stock if the only thing that matters is gender.

 

I'm only supporting this current choice for the promise of more complex romances , that's it.  If this does not happen, I will not be pleased, at all.

[Allan Schumacher]

Their Prmoscuous because of their life styles, and those life styles have led them to encounters that gave them the options of various sexualities, Isabella was a Pirate, and Zevran is an Assassin and he travelled alot, their Lives, Their Personalities, and where their from and how tolerant sexuality is in their Homelands help make them great characters, and was quite happy with those characters being Bisexual. I would be quite happy with more characters of various Sexualities instead of everyone being Player Sexual.

 

You seem to be saying that their bisexuality feeds into their promiscuity.  Am I correct in reading it this way?

[stuffystuffs]

I hope they at least make it obvious at the beginning of the game. I made the mistake of making a half elf and got harassed by all three of those psycho chicks D:

 

Bahaha, it got real annoying when all three were with you at the same time.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I lol'd.

 

I'm just making, the whole "it's realistic" arguments and what not have no stock if the only thing that matters is gender.

 

I'm only supporting this current choice for the promise of more complex romances , that's it.  If this does not happen, I will not be pleased, at all.

What sort of complexities are you expecting? What makes you think this system lends itself to that more so? 

[Mr.House]

Their Prmoscuous because of their life styles, and those life styles have led them to encounters that gave them the options of various sexualities, Isabella was a Pirate, and Zevran is an Assassin and he travelled alot, their Lives, Their Personalities, and where their from and how tolerant sexuality is in their Homelands help make them great characters, and was quite happy with those characters being Bisexual. I would be quite happy with more characters of various Sexualities instead of everyone being Player Sexual.

No. No no no. Just no. Your job does not shape your sexuality, AT ALL.  To even say that is just ugh.

[CronoDragoon]

So you are saying that if Zevran was only gay, him stating that he appreciates all forms of beauty would be different?

 

Yes, because in one case his appreciation for beauty has a causative affect on his sexuality. In the other it wouldn't.

[BubbleDncr]

And that affects her arc...how? Other than a personal impression about her?

 

Are we talking about a companions sexuality influencing their personality or story arc? Because I was talking about her personality (sorry if you weren't and I messed up).

 

Two characters can have different personalities but have the same story arc. And having a more defined sexuality can lead to a more defined personality, which can open up more storyline possibilities.

 

Which, in Isabela's case, would not happen, because she was meant to be bi, came off as bi, so her story was what is was.

 

But what if Varric had an ambiguous sexuality? He comes off as straight to me, since he named his crossbow Bianca after the love of his life. If he were a love interest they wanted to be player sexual, would Bianca exist?

 

Anders' is player sexual, and for male players, you're kind of his rebound. But not for female characters. Had Anders been defined as bi, then players of both genders would be "the rebound," and that storyline probably could have gotten developed more than it did.

[Maria Caliban]

Characters are hills of sand.

Yes, I could make Leliana straight and she'd still be Leliana. I could imagine her as a man instead of a woman. I could imagine her as not liking shoes. I could take away her singing voice. I could have her be more straight forward in her speech instead of rambley. I could make her a mage instead of a rogue. I could have her come from Antiva instead of Orlais. I could have her as not devout to the Chantry.

I could change any one of those things and we'd still have a Leliana. Yet if I changed all of them, we'd have a very different character.

Bisexuality informs a character. It's not the definitive aspect of the character unless it's a bad character.

[Ryzaki]

That's why I rolled a female, at least there was only Anomen to dump, which was quite easy.

 

XD It's a thrill to dump him.

 

I lol'd.

 

I'm just making, the whole "it's realistic" arguments and what not have no stock if the only thing that matters is gender.

 

I'm only supporting this current choice for the promise of more complex romances , that's it.  If this does not happen, I will not be pleased, at all.

 

It didn't help that I was looking for the nice rejections because I foolishly though there'd be friendship paths. Hahahahahaha. I had to mod that in. Whenever someone says they want to go back to BG2 romances I facepalm. No friendship paths for LIs and hilariously lopsided romance options. Yeah that's really something to look back to fondly.

 

True I do hope at least there's no more LOLOL Bloodmage romancing templarish characters like Alistair and Fenris. That was just no. Mage is perfectly understandable bloodmage though? 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

The logic of this question doesn't match with what I said.

 

Zevran is X because of Y and Zevran is ~X and therefore ~Y are not equivalent statements.

Hence why I asked if that's what you meant, since your comment made no sense.

[Gwydden]

*thumbs up* the Companions should be People, if they dont like you, they dont like you.

You mean like half the companions in any of the games? I wasn't aware you could talk Sten or Oghren (Oghren!) into getting it on with the PC.

 

I honestly don't care whether companions have a fixed sexuality or not. I just find the arguments against 'playersexuality' rather lacking.

[daveliam]

Yes, because in one case his appreciation for beauty has a causative affect on his sexuality. In the other it wouldn't.

Do you really think that Zevran only sleeps with people he finds beautiful? Or that he finds every beautiful thing sexually attractive? I can find a man to be beautiful but not find him sexually attractive. They are not the same thing.

[Vapaa]

What sort of complexities are you expecting? What makes you think this system lends itself to that more so? 

 

Well for me, it's now Bioware's problem. THEY claim the romances will be more realistic™, so now it's up to THEM to make it happen, and if it's just gender restrictions, I would call it BS and lazyness.

[Mr.House]

What sort of complexities are you expecting? What makes you think this system lends itself to that more so? 

SO crap like that Alistair joke I made does not happen which also applies to Anders in DA2(which was bloody horrible), I want more complex romances. AM I disappointed this might come at the cost of lack of choices for everyone? Yes because I was a big supporter of all bi for DA2 and I still think it was better then DAOs gender lock

 

If we see things like racial lock ala that makes Varric a LI ect then I will be happy, though I will understand that people will be disappointed with this and they do.