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#1526
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They did racial locks in BG2.

 

I meant the ugliness thing. Racial locks I can see, but how would the game recognize ugliness, and what would be the real benefit of that? I can see the headlines now: "BioWare locks out PCs that don't conform to modern standards of beauty." That's something best avoided.



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Hence why I asked if that's what you meant, since your comment made no sense.

 

Why doesn't my comment make sense?

 

Do you really think that Zevran only sleeps with people he finds beautiful? Or that he finds every beautiful thing sexually attractive? I can find a man to be beautiful but not find him sexually attractive. They are not the same thing.

 

Your two questions are completely different, but based on what Zevran tells me, the first is indeed what I believe about him. He could be lying to me, of course.



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SO crap like that Alistair joke I made does not happen which also applies to Anders in DA2(which was bloody horrible), I want more complex romances. AM I disappointed this might come at the cost of lack of choices for everyone? Yes because I was a big supporter of all bi for DA2 and I still think it was better then DAOs gender lock

 

If we see things like racial lock ala that makes Varric a LI ect then I will be happy, though I will understand that people will be disappointed with this and they do.

I didn't see the Alistair joke, so I'm a little lost.  :unsure:

 

Do you mean because Anders only mentioned attraction to women before? Or that he didn't talk about Karl some of the time?



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I meant the ugliness thing. Racial locks I can see, but how would the game recognize ugliness, and what would be the real benefit of that? I can see the headlines now: "BioWare locks out PCs that don't conform to modern standards of beauty." That's something best avoided.

 

Maybe some characters don't like certain eye/hair color combinations. Maybe if the eyes are too small it's a turn off or the nose too big or the lips to big/small.

 

Small tweaks.

 

As for the real benefit hell if I know I don't see the benefit to gender restrictions either. There's little reason the LIs can't be the bisexual characters and the companions that aren't romance options vary from straight to gay to asexual.


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#1530
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Yes, because in one case his appreciation for beauty has a causative affect on his sexuality. In the other it wouldn't.

 

But does it?

 

If I am heterosexual, how do we classify me recognizing a woman as being beautiful, but not one that I am sexually attracted to?  If the assumption is that my views of ALL women is coloured because I am heterosexual, is that actually accurate?


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Why doesn't my comment make sense?

Because as several people pointed out, seeing beauty in all things can happen regardless of sexuality and doesn't shape said sexuality.



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You seem to be saying that their bisexuality feeds into their promiscuity.  Is am I correct in reading it this wit d

its the Loneliness of it, they both travel for their jobs, and they dont really have time to settle down and have lasting relationships, so I, personally see that their trying to fill a void with promiscuity. Zevran is from Antiva and was Bought, and was never really given a chance to make any decisions of his own, Isabella is from Rivian and her Husband was a Complete [edit]Monster, they've both been given the chance in their past for experimentation and found they liked it, so Their Bisexual now, and the Lack of ever being in one place long enough for any amount of time has given them a Very Open Personality wise to one night stands because of their lives.



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Because as several people pointed out, seeing beauty in all things can happen regardless of sexuality and doesn't shape said sexuality.

 

It doesn't necessarily shape sexuality is what you mean, I think. Zevran claims that, for him, it does.



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Characters sexuality could affect the story, but only in some cases. Like, for example, if Alistair in Dark Ritual would say - No sorry, I'm only into men! Other than that...


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It doesn't necessarily shape sexuality is what you mean, I think. Zevran claims that, for him, it does.

And I'm saying that if he was fully straight or fully gay, nothing about his views would change. 



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No i was making a point that Zevran and Isabella made Great Bisexual Characters because their Personalities, and Beliefs complimented that fact, regardless if you romanced them or not it was fun having them around.

 

Lesbian Isabela would still f*ck women and not be in relationships with them.

Straight Isabela would f*ck men and not be in relationships with them. Same with Zevran. I don't see how bisexuality makes them different. They'd still have the same personality if they weren't bi.



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Characters sexuality could affect the story, but only in some cases. Like, for example, if Alistair in Dark Ritual would say - No sorry, I'm only into men! Other than that...

 

He could still do it to save his life lol

 

I don't see how bisexuality makes them different.

 

Because it doesn't, but I guess some people think otherwise. Not sure why, though?


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Because as several people pointed out, seeing beauty in all things can happen regardless of sexuality and doesn't shape said sexuality.


It may not have anything to do with your sexual orientation, but seeing beauty in all things will probably shape your sexuality.

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I didn't see the Alistair joke, so I'm a little lost.  :unsure:

 

Do you mean because Anders only mentioned attraction to women before? Or that he didn't talk about Karl some of the time?

Well Karl is one thing, but it's rawr I'm a templar that hates all mages and will support the mages with my dying breath, but love me Anders!

 

Or Fenris and being a bloodmage and him falling madly in love with me(which also applies to Alistair) If this stuff means the writers can focus more on romances without fear on variable ala what dialog should I now write for male PC for Iron Bul instead of forcing on assuring that we don't have stupid crap tha could have hap[pen in the pastl and allows better quality, then I'm fine with that, I just wish the cost did not devoid people of choices or that Bioware worded it so poorly with the "realistic" bullocks.


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If I am heterosexual, how do we classify me recognizing a woman as being beautiful, but not one that I am sexually attracted to?

 

Then you are someone who can recognize beauty without the sexual attraction. How does this relate to a character, such as Zevran, who claims that because he recognizes beauty in all its forms, he can be attracted to both sexes?



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its the Loneliness of it, they both travel for their jobs, and they dont really have time to settle down and have lasting relationships, so I, personally see that their trying to fill a void with promiscuity. Zevran is from Antiva and was Bought, and was never really given a chance to make any decisions of his own, Isabella is from Rivian and her Husband was a Complete [edit]Monster, they've both been given the chance in their past for experimentation and found they liked it, so Their Bisexual now, and the Lack of ever being in one place long enough for any amount of time has given them a Very Open Personality wise to one night stands because of their lives.


So they became bisexual because of loneliness?

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Characters sexuality could affect the story, but only in some cases. Like, for example, if Alistair in Dark Ritual would say - No sorry, I'm only into men! Other than that...

Tell him to get in there and imagine Duncan!  :angry:


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He could still do it to save his life lol

That's not as easy for men, you know  :rolleyes: 



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its the Loneliness of it, they both travel for their jobs, and they dont really have time to settle down and have lasting relationships, so I, personally see that their trying to fill a void with promiscuity. Zevran is from Antiva and was Bought, and was never really given a chance to make any decisions of his own, Isabella is from Rivian and her Husband was a Complete [edit]Monster, they've both been given the chance in their past for experimentation and found they liked it, so Their Bisexual now, and the Lack of ever being in one place long enough for any amount of time has given them a Very Open Personality wise to one night stands because of their lives.

 

I apologize if I am just sounding obtuse, but I'm not sure how this wouldn't still be valid and applicable if Zevran or Isabela were not bisexual.

 

Is it the idea that their life paths make them less able to form longer term relationships, and as such they grew to be more open sexually to satisfy their needs when otherwise they may not have?


I guess what I'm asking is, do you think that Zevran may not have been bisexual if his life path was different?


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its the Loneliness of it, they both travel for their jobs, and they dont really have time to settle down and have lasting relationships, so I, personally see that their trying to fill a void with promiscuity. Zevran is from Antiva and was Bought, and was never really given a chance to make any decisions of his own, Isabella is from Rivian and her Husband was a Complete [edit]Monster, they've both been given the chance in their past for experimentation and found they liked it, so Their Bisexual now, and the Lack of ever being in one place long enough for any amount of time has given them a Very Open Personality wise to one night stands because of their lives.

 

That's actually kind of insulting.


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Tell him to get in there and imagine Duncan!  :angry:

My sides.



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its the Loneliness of it, they both travel for their jobs, and they dont really have time to settle down and have lasting relationships, so I, personally see that their trying to fill a void with promiscuity. Zevran is from Antiva and was Bought, and was never really given a chance to make any decisions of his own, Isabella is from Rivian and her Husband was a Complete [edit]Monster, they've both been given the chance in their past for experimentation and found they liked it, so Their Bisexual now, and the Lack of ever being in one place long enough for any amount of time has given them a Very Open Personality wise to one night stands because of their lives.

*breaks mouse*


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#1548
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That's not as easy for men, you know  :rolleyes:

 

imo it'd be pretty easy if you were about to die, at least for the gay men I know. :rolleyes:

but I'm not about to explain why here.


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Well Karl is one thing, but it's rawr I'm a templar that hates all mages and will support the mages with my dying breath, but love me Anders!

 

Or Fenris and being a bloodmage and him falling madly in love with me(which also applies to Alistair) If this stuff means the writers can focus more on romances without fear on variable ala what dialog should I now write for male PC for Iron Bul instead of forcing on assuring that we don't have stupid crap tha could have hap[pen in the pastl and allows better quality, then I'm fine with that, I just wish the cost did not devoid people of choices or that Bioware worded it so poorly with the "realistic" bullocks.

Ohhhh. I get what you're saying.

 

I think these things should be gated, too, definitely. I'm not sure they need to give the characters gender gates to get there, though, or if that will make them more likely to do it.



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Line up and I'll hand out the facepalm images. Don't worry, we have enough for everyone.

I guess what I'm asking is, do you think that Zevran may not have been bisexual if his life path was different?


We should probably have a rigorous and shared definition of bisexuality before answering this question. That said, I think sexual orientation is a combination of both genetic and environmental factors. If Zevran were born and raised in a completely different environment, it's possible he wouldn't be bisexual.