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[BubbleDncr]

I was wondering. How do people feel about the idea of LI dating each other - like Isabela and Fenris did? Not just "no strings attached" but a real relationship this time depending on the characters.

 

Provided you didn't romance those certain people.

 

I think that's cool and interesting. Though if it did happen, I would like to see:

 

1) That it only happens when you're not romancing either of them, so it'd probably have to happen later in the game. We don't need this to turn into a crazy love triangle where you're stealing people from each other.

 

2) You actually get to talk to them about it. I think Isabella and Fenris were only mentioned in banter, so if you didn't happen to bring them both with you a lot, you didn't know.

[Cobra's_back]

 

 

 

Companions are characters that you take into combat with you. We're not going to have a clumsy, book dumb milkmaid who can't lift a sword as a companion. 

 

 

OMG. You think that strong women have to be manipulative. There are several strong women I know that can easily body slam a guy and are not manipulative. It is called sports and being physical which has nothing to do with being manipulative or not looking like a lady. She doesn't have to be a milkmaid or clumsy. Where do you get this stuff?

[Milan92]

I prefer they did not. I always felt weird romancing Tali or Garrus after realizing they get together if you don't. I felt like I was breaking up a relationship.

 

If companions get together, I hope they are the non-LI ones so it always happens. 

 

True, good point

 

 

I think that's cool and interesting. Though if it did happen, I would like to see:

 

1) That it only happens when you're not romancing either of them, so it'd probably have to happen later in the game. We don't need this to turn into a crazy love triangle where you're stealing people from each other.

 

2) You actually get to talk to them about it. I think Isabella and Fenris were only mentioned in banter, so if you didn't happen to bring them both with you a lot, you didn't know.

 

Yeah, I feel the same way.

[WildOrchid]

I was wondering. How do people feel about the idea of LI dating each other - like Isabela and Fenris did? Not just "no strings attached" but a real relationship this time depending on the characters.

 

Provided you didn't romance those certain people.

 

Hmmmm, on the one hand i might be up for this only if there are s/s romances between companions as well. On the other hand, the Fenris/Isabela thing made me cringe so hard so.. I don't really know.

[Cobra's_back]

 But lifting a sword is not the same as being superior with swords AND with words and behavior.... 

 

Lifting a sword and being superior with it takes physical training not a manipulative female. I agree with your post.

[Ianamus]

 

 But lifting a sword is not the same as being superior with swords AND with words and behavior.... 

 

No, but they are always going to be "strong" by default because otherwise they would not be fit for the battlefield. I also think that Bioware have a good variety of female characters. I don't see how you can look at, say, the female companions in DA2: Isabela, Merrill, Bethany and Aveline and say that all Bioware have are "strong, manipulative, powerful females". 

[Milan92]

Hmmmm, on the one hand i might be up for this only if there are s/s romances between companions. On the other hand, the Fenris/Isabela thing made me cringe so hard so.. I don't really know.

 

The Fenris/Isabela thing was poorly done - mostly because Fenris simply wasn't the type to sleep around. Atleast, thats the impression I got. Never romanced him so I don't know how he is during the romance.

[BubbleDncr]

OMG. You think that strong women have to be manipulative. There are several strong women I know that can easily body slam a guy and are not manipulative. It is called sports and being physical which has nothing to do with being manipulative or not looking like a lady. She doesn't have to be a milkmaid or clumsy. Where do you get this stuff?

 

Unfortunately I think this is a pretty standard thing for guys to think. I work in video games, and almost every time I hear a pitch about a "strong female character," that's written by men, I want to bash my head against the wall.

[LiaraShepard]

 

 

 

No, but they are always going to be "strong" by default because otherwise they would not be fit for the battlefield. I also think that Bioware have a good variety of female characters. I don't see how you can look at, say, the female companions in DA2: Isabela, Merrill, Bethany and Aveline and say that all Bioware have are "strong, manipulative, powerful females". 

 

No, what I say is Bioware misses strong powerful superior manipulative MALES. These roles are always set aside for females.

[BubbleDncr]

Found this article just now:

 

http://www.techradar...isition-1244841

[Ianamus]

No, what I say is Bioware misses strong manipulative MALES. 

 

Zaeed is strong and really nasty. Grunt and Wrex are powerful "alpha males". Vega was no pushover. Anders was manipulative, manipulating Hawke into helping him blow up the Chantry.

 

Loghain was incredibly strong and manipulative.

[LiaraShepard]

Found this article just now:

 

http://www.techradar...isition-1244841

 

I hope they keep the promise. I've read in a magazine, that the characters aren't as interesting as in Origins so far. But there are still many months left so I'm full of expectations and hope.

[Former_Fiend]

Hmmmm, on the one hand i might be up for this only if there are s/s romances between companions as well. On the other hand, the Fenris/Isabela thing made me cringe so hard so.. I don't really know.

 

Any particular reason?

[ReallyRue]

Zaeed is strong and really nasty. Grunt and Wrex are powerful "alpha males". Vega was no pushover. Anders was manipulative, manipulating Hawke into helping him blow up the Chantry.

 

Loghain was incredibly strong and manipulative.

I'd love to have a companion like Loghain again, it's a shame he was only with us for the end sequence really.

 

 

Hmmmm, on the one hand i might be up for this only if there are s/s romances between companions as well. On the other hand, the Fenris/Isabela thing made me cringe so hard so.. I don't really know. 

I'd like that, personally (though I also liked the Fenris/Isabela thing). It wouldn't have to be between companions though, like Aveline/Donnic. Or they could just  show interest without an actual relationship/sex, like Carver/Merrill or Sebastian/Bethany.

[Former_Fiend]

I'd love to have a companion like Loghain again, it's a shame he was only with us for the end sequence really.

 

Yea, that's one of the reasons I always put off Soldier's Peak and Return to Ostagar until after recruiting him, maximize his screen time.

[LiaraShepard]

Zaeed is strong and really nasty. Grunt and Wrex are powerful "alpha males". Vega was no pushover. Anders was manipulative, manipulating Hawke into helping him blow up the Chantry.

 

Loghain was incredibly strong and manipulative.

 

okay I correct myself. I'm talking about companions you're able to romance. Anders might be manipulative, but he's not as strong and superior as Morrigan and Miranda. Only the female characters had all characteristics together. they are strong, superior, manipulative, and they nearly know everything about your quest or the world compared to other companions. The males have either one or the other personality. But they're never as superior as Morrigan or Miranda, who have every single aspect of the mentioned characteristics.

 

Loghain may be an exception.

[WildOrchid]

Any particular reason?

 

Milan already posted one of the reasons above as to why i didn't like this hook up.... and also because Isabela was my main LI and to see her go for Fenris made me feel somewhat weird. Probably because I love Isabela and i want her all mine.

At least it wasn't a serious kind of relationship....

[Shaen Mac Tir]

Many people despise Morrigan, Miranda or ashley, and prefer women like Merril or Leliana or Liara and Tali. They like female LIs that are kind to them and not necessarily strong.

 

The point is that females wanting a male companion/LI like Miranda or Morrigan don't have one. They don't have a choice between "ice queen" and "delicate little flower" like male Players do. I think they should have some choice, not that like in DA2 between an emo Anders or an emo Fenris, or between "child-like" Alistair or "I-don't-care" Zevran. I believe no one can name those guys "strong personalities" anyway.

P.S.: I loved Loghain and I wish there were more companions like him, let alone LIs like him. But he's totally underestimated and has so little screen time.

Anders might be manipulative

 

Oh come on, manipulate my ass His lies were so obvious that almost everyone cought him at this, and only mercifully pretended not to have noticed it.

[Former_Fiend]

I always saw Fenris becoming the type of person who'd sleep around as a form of character development; in it's own way it shows him overcoming his issues even without Hawke's influence. 

 

Might not be the healthiest way to go about it, but it's healthier than stagnating where he was. 

[Sylvianus]

okay I correct myself. I'm talking about companions you're able to romance. Anders might be manipulative, but he's not as strong and superior as Morrigan and Miranda. Only the female characters had all characteristics together. they are strong, superior, manipulative, and they nearly know everything about your quest or the world compared to other companions. The males have either one or the other personality. But they're never as superior as Morrigan or Miranda, who have every single aspect of the mentioned characteristics.

 

Loghain may be an exception.

 

Anders wasn't as strong as Morrigan and Miranda ? What do you mean concretely ? He was for me.  Unlike Miranda, and like Morrigan he doesn't forget his agenda because of his LI, you won't convince him if you think that what he is doing is wrong. You won't deviate him from his path . He is determinate and will fight for mages no matter how much it costs him, his relationship with his Li involved. 

 

A strong character is not someone manipulative, if that's what you think. Now a strong character can be manipulative, yes I agree.

[renfrees]

Anders wasn't as strong as Morrigan and Miranda ? What do you mean concretely ? He was for me.  Unlike Miranda, and like Morrigan he doesn't forget his agenda because of his LI, you won't convince him if you think that what he is doing is wrong. You won't deviate him from his path . He is determinate and will fight for mages no matter how much it costs him, his relationship with his Li involved. 

 

A strong character is not someone manipulative, if that's what you think. Now a strong character can be manipulative, yes I agree.

But he won't, if you completed his rivalry. It was one of the weirdest feelings I've experienced in DAII, making him to help annul the Circle.

 

Edit: it was ok for Fenris, because of his personal loyalty to Hawke; it felt somewhat ok for Merril, because to her eluvian and her people are first concern, not mages; but it felt utterly wrong for Anders to erase everything he was fighting for all his life, on a whim of even his lover. Considering his whole arc.

Modifié par renfrees, 25 avril 2014 - 05:15 .

[Melca36]

Hmmmm, on the one hand i might be up for this only if there are s/s romances between companions as well. On the other hand, the Fenris/Isabela thing made me cringe so hard so.. I don't really know.

They have already hinted on Twitter in the past that you will see it in Inquisition.

[ReallyRue]

I always saw Fenris becoming the type of person who'd sleep around as a form of character development; in it's own way it shows him overcoming his issues even without Hawke's influence. 

 

Might not be the healthiest way to go about it, but it's healthier than stagnating where he was. 

I'm not even sure it counts as sleeping around by that point, since he would have known Isabela for what five years or something (not that it feels like that much time has ever passed in the game). I could definitely see him getting into a friends-with-benefits thing.

 

Yea, that's one of the reasons I always put off Soldier's Peak and Return to Ostagar until after recruiting him, maximize his screen time.

I do that too, especially since he has unique dialogue. I even saved a bucket load of sidequests so I could bring him along, even though he doesn't comment on them.

[Sylvianus]

The point is that females wanting a male companion/LI like Miranda or Morrigan don't have one. They don't have a choice between "ice queen" and "delicate little flower" like male Players do. I think they should have some choice, not that like in DA2 between an emo Anders or an emo Fenris, or between "child-like" Alistair or "I-don't-care" Zevran. I believe no one can name those guys "strong personalities" anyway.

P.S.: I loved Loghain and I wish there were more companions like him, let alone LIs like him. But he's totally underestimated and has so little screen time.

Oh come on, manipulate my ass His lies were so obvious that almost everyone cought him at this, and only mercifully pretended not to have noticed it.

 

 

I understood your point since the beginning. My answer was more a response to something else. 

[LiaraShepard]

Anders wasn't as strong as Morrigan and Miranda ? What do you mean concretely ? He was for me.  Unlike Miranda, and like Morrigan he doesn't forget his agenda because of his LI, you won't convince him if you think that what he is doing is wrong. You won't deviate him from his path . He is determinate and will fight for mages no matter how much it costs him, his relationship with his Li involved. 

 

A strong character is not someone manipulative, if that's what you think. Now a strong character can be manipulative, yes I agree.

 

Morrigan knows neraly everything about the world, the grey wardens, your quest and your goals. And Miranda is the same kind of person. During your journey, these females often had the answer when problems came up. I don't know the whole game anymore. But Morrigan wasn't manipulated by the fate (Anders just because of ghosts help), she didn't play the game of the Ghost in Andrastes temple and gave a **** about his rules while he found out about the troubling past of the other characters and confrontated them with it. In the village Haven she found out the blood of the desk was human blood. If the companions talk to another she seems to have the better arguments, especially in conversations with Alistar. Miranda is the same. They aren't as whiney and emo as Anders (though I like him). They are good with words and always seem to be better in arguing. And they are strong and independend.