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I don't think there's any fixing a relationship when one of the parties to it
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Ah well, i can only dream. D:
Good point.
Really, only a human male Inquisitor could marry Celene and become royalty.
Female Inquis would be one-night stand.
Poor Celene, marrying a man for the sake of ze babiez and denying the desire to marry a woman instead and rule as two queens. >.<
Morrigan is the only manipulative, strong, powerful female I can think of. Leliana might have been manipulative when she was a bard, but there's no indication that she wasn't sincere throughout her adventures with the Warden.
Cassandra doesn't seem manipulative at all. Vivienne seems rather in-your-face about her thoughts and opinions.
I didn't want to say all of them are manipulative "and" strong "and" powerful "and" sovereign "and" all-knowing, but at least, there are female companions who have several of these characteristics in common and who are a romance option, especially Morrigan, Miranda and maybe Silk Fox. Not all of them have to be manipulative to be exciting. Bastila isn't manipulative, but she's very strong compared to the male romance option Carth Onasi. Dawn Star isn't manipulative either but she's more important to the story line than sky. Even Ashley seems to be more powerful then Kaidan in the first Mass Effect. And in Mass Effect 3, there's Liara who gets the most attention. We've never got the possibility to have a male romance option who's like Miranda or Morrigan: strong, powerful, manipulative, independend and who always win arguing. That's the only thing I don't like about the romances.
2) I don't care if any companions or non-companions are lesbians. If all the romancable women in the game were bisexual, I’d be happy with that. I’m kind of tired of an undercurrent in this discussion that one ought to be in constant competition with straight men and that bisexual females aren’t as desirable because they count as points for straight dudes.
Yes, we’re talking about fictional romances, but the idea that bisexual women are just lesser on some level when it comes to relationships is one that crops up enough in the real world that I find it kind of gross.
It don't believe that bisexual women are in any way "lesser", it's just that we haven't had a lesbian companion in a Bioware game since Juhani, while we have had bisexual female companions in most recent Bioware games. Which is why I'd like to see one again. If we can also have a bisexual female companion or LI that's even better.
1) A female Inquisitor isn't going to be able to marry the Empress and become royalty. If you're able to have a romance with the Empress, she'll likely marry a suitable noble man and take you on as a mistress. I can't speak for other lesbians, but I'd rather be the partner of a pirate, bard, or Seeker than the mistress of an Empress.
That’s not an ‘awesome ending’ in my eyes.
2) I don't care if any companions or non-companions are lesbians. If all the romancable women in the game were bisexual, I’d be happy with that. I’m kind of tired of an undercurrent in this discussion that one ought to be in constant competition with straight men and that bisexual females aren’t as desirable because they count as points for straight dudes.
Yes, we’re talking about fictional romances, but the idea that bisexual women are just lesser on some level when it comes to relationships is one that crops up enough in the real world that I find it kind of gross.
I didn't mean to offend, I'm mostly asking these questions as an attempt to understand point of views other than my own. I don't think the bisexual relationships are lesser, just that if we're looking at "fairness," it only works out if there's the same amount of gay/straight romances for each gender as well as some bi companions. And what this all the talk of potential things other than gender bring able to gate romances, it seems like a lot force into the 9 companions.
Maybe Celene was a bad example. Maybe the better question is, what could possibly make a non-companions romance feel equally as important as a companion romance?
I went with Celene and royalty as my example because it's something that seems to me, like it could. But apparently not everyone agrees.
I didn't mean to offend, I'm mostly asking these questions as an attempt to understand point of views other than my own. I don't think the bisexual relationships are lesser, just that if we're looking at "fairness," it only works out if there's the same amount of gay/straight romances for each gender as well as some bi companions. And what this all the talk of potential things other than gender bring able to gate romances, it seems like a lot force into the 9 companions.
"Fairness" won't be possible unless they go back to a model similar to DA2 (2 male/2 female party members available to all).
Someone will always think what they do in DA:I is unfair based on some criteria they have. We've already seen 3 female companion romances called unfair, companion vs. non-companion is seen as unfair since companions can travel with you and have more content, etc.
I'd be more ehhh than OMG unfair at all the female companions being LIs. It was weird and offputting in SWTOR and it'll be weird and offputting in DAI. It really does scream to me that the female companions are only there for love interests which makes me uncomfortable.
I'd be more ehhh than OMG unfair at all the female companions being LIs. It was weird and offputting in SWTOR and it'll be weird and offputting in DAI. It really does scream to me that the female companions are only there for love interests which makes me uncomfortable.
I don't see a problem if all of them are romance options, especially if there's a lesbian option as well. Women in Bioware games always had an interesting personality. I'd never had the impression they're just there for romance issues. But if it's a nice bonus, why not? I wouldn't want to be without Vivienne, just because the devs finally removed her since the fans complained about all women being a romance option : /
I think it would be extremely fair, and very cool, to let female players marry Celine and become Queen, since only male players could marry Anora. Not that we necessarily 'need' to marry anybody to become queen, we may be able to simply build up our Inquisition enough to where we rule Orlais ourselves 
. But it would definitely be a great romance option, one I very much would like to have, and in light of the Anora option from DAO it's only right that female players have a similar option, especially when circumstances are so right for it as they are here, with Orlais already being led by a lesbian queen. We don't even need to put her on the throne like we did with Anora, she's already there .
On the companion romances thing, there's nothing 'unfair' about all 3 companions being LIs, if that were to happen. What's unfair is that there are only 3 female companions in the first place, vs 6 male companions. The only debate should be whether it should be 5-4 male or 5-4 female, the fact that it's 6-3 in either direction is just blatantly wrong. But that doesn't mean we should make things worse by saying there should be fewer companion LIs as a result of that. I don't have an opinion as to whether Viv or Scribe Girl should be an LI, I'm more interested in Cass and Sera than anybody else, but if they're doing it like ME, they could ALL be LIs. Both ME2 and ME3 had several female teammates as LIs as well as your non-teammate female assistant as an LI, so it would be right in line with that if they all were, who knows. In such a scenario you'd probably have Cass and Sera as bisexual, Viv as a lesbian, and Scribe Girl as straight (since her ME2 counterpart was bisexual and her ME3 counterpart was a lesbian) . We'll just have to wait and see but it's definitely possible .
I don't think there's any fixing a relationship when one of the parties to it
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SHHHH!
Let me have my 6 months of delusion the game will be here soon enough 
The problem is that, having the male characters include dwarves, qunari, grizzled veteran Grey Wardens and dislodged fade spirits, it would be jarring to have all of the female companions be attractive, sexually available human/elven women. If Vivienne is a pompous woman with no interest in romance it would at least show that "most interesting female character concepts we came up with" didn't always equate to "attractive and available".
Not that I do think Bioware are being sexist with regard to the companions, but if all three female companions were LI's I could see it coming across that way for a lot of people. And I'd be a little uneasy about it myself.
I think it would be extremely fair, and very cool, to let female players marry Celine and become Queen, since only male players could marry Anora. Not that we necessarily 'need' to marry anybody to become queen, we may be able to simply build up our Inquisition enough to where we rule Orlais ourselves
While i'd love this, the real question is: can two queens rule in Orlais? Or it only needs a king and queen (just for the sake of having kids)? 
Could Celene bed a man so he can give her children for the future, while having a wife on the side?
While i'd love this, the real question is: can two queens rule in Orlais? Or it only needs a king and queen?
The impression i got from the novel is the nobility wouldn't tolerate it but i could be wrong.
I think it would be extremely fair, and very cool, to let female players marry Celine and become Queen, since only male players could marry Anora. Not that we necessarily 'need' to marry anybody to become queen, we may be able to simply build up our Inquisition enough to where we rule Orlais ourselves
I think it's unlikely though, provide the fact that Celene had to hide her lesbian relationship with Briala. Also characters who found out about them kinda felt weird about it. So I'm guessing women - women relationship is somewhat ... not acceptable?.. in royal court of Olais.
Maybe Male Quis and Celene, and / or FemQuis and Gaspard can have an "on the paper only" marriage in order to secure their power.
I think it's unlikely though, provide the fact that Celene had to hide her lesbian relationship with Briala. Also characters who found out about them kinda felt weird about it. So I'm guessing women - women relationship is somewhat ... not acceptable?.. in royal court of Olais.
My impression was that human-elf part of the relationship was the problem.
I think it's just that Celene is expected to marry a man in order to produce legit heirs. I doubt anyone would care if she had a female human mistress on the side. An elven mistress is scandalous ofc.
I'd be more ehhh than OMG unfair at all the female companions being LIs. It was weird and offputting in SWTOR and it'll be weird and offputting in DAI. It really does scream to me that the female companions are only there for love interests which makes me uncomfortable.
I don't see a problem if all of them are romance options, especially if there's a lesbian option as well. Women in Bioware games always had an interesting personality. I'd never had the impression they're just there for romance issues. But if it's a nice bonus, why not? I wouldn't want to be without Vivienne, just because the devs finally removed her since the fans complained about all women being a romance option : /
I would flip the phrasing on that: it skeeves me out that every female companion is available to the male PC. Why is it inevitably the case that the female characters are all sexy and willing? While on the other hand, you have more male companions than female companions... but several of the dudes aren't romance options. Because reasons. Why is that so often the way it plays out?
Are men really THAT bigoted and/or insecure? Or is it just that media producers BELIEVE they are?
My impression was that human-elf part of the relationship was the problem.
I think it's just that Celene is expected to marry a man in order to produce legit heirs. I doubt anyone would care if she had a female human mistress on the side. An elven mistress is scandalous ofc.
It's not even so much that she's an elf, but that that she's a servant. Being an elf just makes it even worse.
Were it another noblewoman it would probably just be seen as a quirk of character and a bit of gossip, so long as Celene still married an Orlesian nobleman and produced an heir.
I would flip the phrasing on that: it skeeves me out that every female companion is available to the male PC.
If they do have a lesbian companion, this wouldn't be the case.
I think it would be extremely fair, and very cool, to let female players marry Celine and become Queen, since only male players could marry Anora. Not that we necessarily 'need' to marry anybody to become queen, we may be able to simply build up our Inquisition enough to where we rule Orlais ourselves
There, that's not right. You are putting something that doesn't have anything to do with the story. You are thinking about fairness, before the story, the lore and the consistence into the universe of the game. Things are the way they are into the story, as is life.
We should marry Celene, we should have the throne with her because we hadn't had the option in DAO years ago, regardless of the consistence is definitely something I would never support. I have no sympathy for such reasons out of story, there for only reasons out of story.
Celene must marry a noble human or she will remain alone and at the same time free with her mistress. But no, you clearly can't have two lesbian queens on the throne in Orlais.
I would think exactly the same if male characters could flirt ( meaning sex ) with Celene " for fairness ", doesn't make sense since she's gay. Only female characters should be allowed to do that.
I would flip the phrasing on that: it skeeves me out that every female companion is available to the male PC. Why is it inevitably the case that the female characters are all sexy and willing? While on the other hand, you have more male companions than female companions... but several of the dudes aren't romance options. Because reasons. Why is that so often the way it plays out?
Are men really THAT bigoted and/or insecure? Or is it just that media producers BELIEVE they are?
Aveline wasn't romanceable. Neither were Shale, Wynne or Bethany which, yes, was to be expected, but the fact is that so far DA has had no problem creating and developing female characters who have nothing to do with romance. I could also mention Velanna and Sigrun, but then there was no romance in DAA. If all three female companions end up being love interests in DAI, I would consider it a mere coincidence rather than sexism. I find that unlikely, though. If there are six love interests, I'm betting on two of them being NPCs.
The problem is that, having the male characters include dwarves, qunari, grizzled veteran Grey Wardens and dislodged fade spirits, it would be jarring to have all of the female companions be attractive, sexually available human/elven women. If Vivienne is a pompous woman with no interest in romance it would at least show that "most interesting female character concepts we came up with" didn't always equate to "attractive and available".
They already did that with Aveline. Not because she wasn't interested in romance, but because she had no interest in the PC, so there's lots of ways to go about it. That was great, and I have no problem with them doing it again.
Also, I must point out attractiveness is subjective. Personally I don't consider any of the female companions so far (including those we know will be in Inquistion, based on what little information we have) particularly attractive. So there is really no way of making all female characters "attractive and available".
Why is it that at times the fandom acts like Loghain but instead of Orlesians they see secret plots against the current whatever?
"Hey this can be seen as X! WHICH MEANS Y IS REALLY Z!"
etc etc etc.
I really think that at times there is this really baseless view that things have a driving cause behind them when really it could just be how they turned out because of factors beyond their control.
Why do I get the feeling that I am going to get told "NO YOU ARE WRONG" or be attacked?
I honestly think that Bioware can screw up and be unfair, I just dont think they do it with some secret hateful agenda.
On the principle, having three female companions romanceable wouldn't bother me since only two would be available to me ( assuming one of them is lesbian ) and it's possible that I'm not interested by another one. So concretely, I wouldn't think that suddenly I'd bang everyone.
No, what would just make me uncomfortable, it's the fact that we get only companions and female players and gay guys one npc LI, and two companions. We should have the same thing.
While i'd love this, the real question is: can two queens rule in Orlais? Or it only needs a king and queen (just for the sake of having kids)?
Could Celene bed a man so he can give her children for the future, while having a wife on the side?
Having kids with a man she isn't married with would make them bastards. Even if she would legitimize them they would still be bastards. While they will have a claim to the throne - its not really ideal and the nobility probably won't like it.
Infact, it would probably create more civil war because every noble would want to fight for the right to father Celene's heir's in the hope for more power.
On the principle, having three female companions romanceable wouldn't bother me since only two would be available to me ( assuming one of them is lesbian ) and it's possible that I'm not interested by another one. So concretely, I wouldn't think that suddenly I'd bang everyone.
No, what would just make me uncomfortable, it's the fact that we get only companions and female players and gay guys one npc LI, and two companions. We should have the same thing.
Which is why I think if they made all 3 female companions romancable, they'd also have 3 male companions romancable. Just like I think since Cullen is an NPC LI, there will be a female equivalent.
Which is why I think if they made all 3 female companions romancable, they'd also have 3 male companions romancable. Just like I think since Cullen is an NPC LI, there will be a female equivalent.
Yeah, that's the most logical. Scribbe girl as LI like Cullen ! Now, the most logical would be to put both cullen and Scribbe girl as Bi, but then again, I'm thinking Cassandra is BI, and since Sera is also an elf, she has also some reasons to be BI.
Raaah, speculation is killing me ! I hate speculation. I guess I'm more interested by the DAI companions than I ever was before because normally, I would never do such thing.
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