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[Sylvianus]

I still don't think Vivienne is romanceable

 

The same. And I hate that feeling. 

[Hydromatic]

The same. And I hate that feeling. 

 

Saaaame, i was vary of her at first, but i've come to love her already. 

[Gwydden]

The same. And I hate that feeling. 

Think positive! If she isn't, the next most likely candidate is Scribe Girl, and we know nothing about her!

[stuffystuffs]

Saaaame, i was vary of her at first, but i've come to love her already. 

 

If it's any consolation, Vivienne will probably enjoy crushing your heart.

[Sylvianus]

Think positive! If she isn't, the next most likely candidate is Scribe Girl, and we know nothing about her!

 

Yeah, scribe girl intrigue me but she would be an npc romance. I have no idea how I would react to her romance content. I'm not confident. :/

 

Saaaame, i was vary of her at first, but i've come to love her already. 

 

The first screenshot i've seen about Vivienne with her mask, her hat, didn't impress me at all. I was like, what the hell is wrong with Bioware... And now here I am, liking everything about her, even her hat. 

[Monarchitect]

One thing that I really hope to see that hasn't been mentioned a lot (to my knowledge) when it comes to romances in DAI is the inclusion of romances and hooking up amongst the companions and non-player characters that doesn't necessarily include the PC. This was an element of DAII and ME3 that I really enjoyed. I think it adds depth to the characters, and takes away some of the PC-central nature of the games in favor of story and word building. Obviously the PC should (generally) come first, but I really like the fact that Isabela and Fenris could have a casual fling that the other characters would comment on should you have not romanced them. Or how you could wander in on Tali and Garrus. In these cases both characters were squadmate/love interests who you hadn't chosen to romance and who had found interest in each other (even if in a purely casual way). Another thing I liked was the Aveline/Donnic relationship that you could influence and in turn affected your game, and that was between an npc and a squadmate that was long lasting. I think it makes sense that your squadmates wouldn't just stay single or live in a vacuum if you chose to not romance them, and I really hope that this element comes up again in DAI. It just adds more depth to the characters, showing not only that they have lives outside of the PC's but that they can make non-banterish connections with each other. 

[BubbleDncr]

There, that's not right. You are putting something that doesn't have anything to do with the story. You are thinking about fairness,  before the story, the lore and the consistence into the universe of the game. Things are the way they are into the story, as is life.

 

We should marry Celene, we should have the throne with her because we hadn't had the option in DAO years ago, regardless of the consistence is definitely something I would never support. I have no sympathy for such reasons out of story, there for only reasons out of story. 

 

Celene must marry a noble human or she will remain alone and at the same time free with her mistress. But no, you clearly can't have two lesbian queens on the throne in Orlais.  

 

I would think exactly the same if male characters could flirt ( meaning sex ) with Celene " for fairness ", doesn't make sense since she's gay. Only female characters should be allowed to do that.

 

I don't recall them ever saying you can't have two lesbian queens on the throne in Orlais, in the books or the games. It's just assumed, but that doesn't mean its true.

 

Celene never marrying, or marrying another woman, are both basically the same thing when it comes to creating heirs - there wouldn't be any. Sure, I guess you could say that if she marries a woman, her wife could inherit the throne when she dies - depending on their laws of succession. I would guess that since we know Ferelden doesn't work like that, Orlais probably doesn't either, but who knows. But unless Celene died of unnatural causes, or married a woman half her age....even if her wife inherited the throne, the new empress still wouldn't likely marry a man later on and have kids.

 

So it would at best just delay when Orlais needing a new ruler, due to lack of an heir.

 

Now I could foresee a woman tricking marrying Celene into marrying her, arranging her death, taking the throne, marrying a man, and starting a new dynasty...but wouldn't that just make that woman an excellent player of The Game?

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I don't think romances like Anora should ever fill a slot that other demographics get a companion, or even an advisor NPC, for. Anora wasn't the straight LI for DA:O. Morrigan was the most plot relevant and integrated female LI in DA history. A lesbian queen on the same lines of Anora does not in any way take the place of a companion romance, imo. It should be something extra, like Anora was. 

[Former_Fiend]

I don't recall them ever saying you can't have two lesbian queens on the throne in Orlais, in the books or the games. It's just assumed, but that doesn't mean its true.

 

Celene never marrying, or marrying another woman, are both basically the same thing when it comes to creating heirs - there wouldn't be any. Sure, I guess you could say that if she marries a woman, her wife could inherit the throne when she dies - depending on their laws of succession. I would guess that since we know Ferelden doesn't work like that, Orlais probably doesn't either, but who knows. But unless Celene died of unnatural causes, or married a woman half her age....even if her wife inherited the throne, the new empress still wouldn't likely marry a man later on and have kids.

 

So it would at best just delay when Orlais needing a new ruler, due to lack of an heir.

 

Now I could foresee a woman tricking marrying Celene into marrying her, arranging her death, taking the throne, marrying a man, and starting a new dynasty...but wouldn't that just make that woman an excellent player of The Game?

 

I don't know that it was ever said, but it's a logical deduction. The whole point of a royal marriage, beyond establishing political alliances, is to produce an heir. 

[Sylvianus]

I don't know that it was ever said, but it's a logical deduction. The whole point of a royal marriage, beyond establishing political alliances, is to produce an heir. 

 

In wot, it is said that among the nobility, procreation, issues of inherance and the union of powerful families is considered of vital importance. Duty first, sexual interests after. 

 

I don't think romances like Anora should ever fill a slot that other demographics get a companion, or even an advisor NPC, for. Anora wasn't the straight LI for DA:O. Morrigan was the most plot relevant and integrated female LI in DA history. A lesbian queen on the same lines of Anora does not in any way take the place of a companion romance, imo. It should be something extra, like Anora was. 

 

Anora wasn't an LI to begin with, it was never implied nowhere. You could never flirt with her. The warden and her are even rivals for months fighting for power according to the ending. It was a political marriage. Hell, I don't even know if my character had ever sex with her, it was only an alliance during the blight for the throne. 

[Divine Justinia V]

Anora wasn't an LI to begin with, it was never implied nowhere. The warden and her are even rivals for months fighting for power according to the ending. It was a political marriage. Hell, I don't even know if my character had ever sex with her, it was only an alliance during the blight for the throne. 

 

Yeah, she was definitely not a romance lol

[KainD]

Yeah, she was definitely not a romance lol

 

Wife with benefits. 

[Divine Justinia V]

Wife with benefits. 

 

Wife in the next room tbh

[KainD]

Wife in the next room tbh

 

Well there are other benefits. 

[Sporothrix]

 2) I don't care if any companions or non-companions are lesbians. If all the romancable women in the game were bisexual, I’d be happy with that. I’m kind of tired of an undercurrent in this discussion that one ought to be in constant competition with straight men and that bisexual females aren’t as desirable because they count as points for straight dudes.
 
Yes, we’re talking about fictional romances, but the idea that bisexual women are just lesser on some level when it comes to relationships is one that crops up enough in the real world that I find it kind of gross.

 

Have you watched storylines of non-straight female characters in TV shows or movies? There have been overall many more female bisexual than lesbian characters (while for men, it seems that bisexuals don't exist and contrary to popular thinking, as even GLAAD annual reports show, there are many more gay male characters in TV than bisexual women and lesbians combined).

 

What's more, those existing lesbian characters are rarely treated with respect. Most of the time, at some point lesbian character has to sleep with a guy or at least otherwise it needs to be insinuated that she's not so completely uninterested in men. Examples of that are countless. Just recently, when in NBC Dracula lesbian character slept with a guy and seemed to take great pleasure from it, even show's creator himself apologized on Twitter for it and explained that it was purposefully done this way against his and writers' intentions (she was supposed to look traumatized).

 

Apart from that, also recently, we had lesbian character in Waterloo Road who for unknown reason suddenly fell in lust with a guy who was practically sexually harassing her from the point he learned that she's lesbian, with intention to "turn" her - apparently writers thought it's justified because they made her end up with a woman after all - very similar storyline took place in another BBC show, EastEnders, where lesbian character slept with a guy who was hitting on her previously, only to hear that he won't have any chance with her because she's lesbian.

 

And there are many other examples: Gigli, She Hate Me, Chasing Amy, The Kids Are All Right, Skins UK, Skins US, Nip/Tuck, Puccini for Beginners, Queer As Folk, Sherlock, etc. This shows that lesbian sexuality is generally treated in popculture like a joke, like a premise for pandering to homophobic fantasies about turning gay women, and if someone says something about it, pretending that by no means it has anything to do with homophobia or sexism, they are just reflecting "fluidity of sexuality". BBC actually wrote me back something in that line when I complained about portrayal of lesbian women in their shows. Of course they didn't touch the question why apparently that "fluidity" affects only lesbians.

 

 

Having all of that in mind, suggesting that wanting to have a lesbian character is a sign of narrow views and prejudice against bisexual women is really far-fetched assumption. I would like to have lesbian character (developed with as much effort as her counterparts of different sexualities) simply because I want my sexuality to be visible and treated with respect, not reduced to fake and offensive assumption that "all women are bisexual", which in reality leads to "all women need to be sexually accessible for men".

[Divine Justinia V]

Well there are other benefits. 

 

True, like ruling a country

[KainD]

True, like ruling a country

 

Yep. Plus she will want a heir probably at some point. The trick is to use contraception a few times. 

[Divine Justinia V]

oh my god Candy Kain lmao

[Nocte ad Mortem]

At the bisexuality discussion, I would be happy if all the characters were bisexual again, but they already said there would be hetero/bi/homosexual characters in this one. Guessing there wont is kind of futile at this point. If they are going to add them, then they should be in balanced numbers. Otherwise, some people get more LIs than others.

[WildOrchid]

What if we get more bisexuals than straight/gay? Like 2 gays/2 straight/3 bi (or daresay, 4)?

[Hellion Rex]

What if we get more bisexuals than straight/gay? Like 2 gays/2 straight/3 bi (or daresay, 4)?

I think they're gonna keep it even b/t male and female LI, no matter what they do.

[Divine Justinia V]

What if we get more bisexuals than straight/gay? Like 2 gays/2 straight/3 bi (or daresay, 4)?

 

I wish tbh

[Nocte ad Mortem]

The problem with more bisexual is that you need a lot of numbers to still even things out. Like, 4 bisexuals, that's even so far. Now you still need at least 4 more LIs to cover one exclusive for everyone. 

[Divine Justinia V]

The problem with more bisexual is that you need a lot of numbers to still even things out. Like, 4 bisexuals, that's even so far. Now you still need at least 4 more LIs to cover one exclusive for everyone. 

 

yeah but that defeats the purpose of having majority be bisexual lol

[WildOrchid]

I mean they have a lot of time to do it. >.<

a girl can dream, right D: