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[Tommy6860]

I strongly disagree with the notion that a feature is good or not because it encourages multiple playthroughs.

If a person it inclined to replay the game, they'll do so. If they're not, then they won't.

I've played DA:O once and only have one complete playthrough of DA II. I replayed ME when I got a new computer because the first time I played it, I had it set on minimum graphics and it still only ran at ~10 FPS. I've never replayed ME 2 or ME 3.

Making Cassandra straight will not get me to replay the game. It will get me to watch her romance on Youtube.

 

That doesn't make sense, but it does if only that it is your perspective. I played DA:O more than 15 times and got a different element from the game outside of a different ending. Same with ME, only on a far smaller scale. I can name not only the Bioware games that offers this, but many others. As an example of a game I would agree with you, that would be  the Tomb Raider re-boot and it was really awesome. I really loved that game, but nothing I did in the game changed the story, so it was one and done. If a game has a dynamic story and plot states that change with choices one makes in the game, it has replay value for me. unless you mean some other replay value, then I am not understanding where you're coming from.

 

Try playing DA:O again from a totally different operative, and you'll see a huge difference.

[Jazinto]

I've played DAO and DAII a couple of times, but I always romance Zevran, because he's the only one available and Anders, because I feel like his romance is in the spot light, not some side story, since he's so involved in the constant Templar Mage conflict. So romances are not a reason for me to replay the game.

[Tommy6860]

Not every character is available to you. There are four possible love interests in a city packed with people. In DA:O, there were three in all of Ferelden.

 

There are four LIs in DA:O, Morrigan, Zevran, Leliana and Alistair.

[Darth Krytie]

Funny thing, I remember DG mentioned that not all DA2 LIs were "bi". He mentioned that their SO varied depending on what character you are playing. The only "real" bi in the game is actually Isabela.

 

Someone's sexuality isn't dependent upon voicing it to you.

[Shaen Mac Tir]

So romances are not a reason for me to replay the game.

 

They are not the only reason, but they can be one of the reasons for many people out there.

Someone's sexuality isn't dependent upon voicing it to you.

 

What? I don't get why you said that. That's not what I meant in any way.

[Divine Justinia V]

Funny thing, I remember DG mentioned that not all DA2 LIs were "bi". He mentioned that their SO varied depending on what character you are playing. The only "real" bi in the game is actually Isabela.

 

so they're playersexual and the argument of it being realistic or meshing with their personalities seems a bit silly

[oceanicsurvivor]

There are four LIs in DA:O, Morrigan, Zevran, Leliana and Alistair.

Only 3 at any give time though, since one is always locked off.

 

 

Didn't Gaider write Anders in Awakening...and say Anders was always bisexual in Gaiders mind?

[Darth Krytie]

There are four LIs in DA:O, Morrigan, Zevran, Leliana and Alistair.

 

Yes, but only three are ever available to a character at any given time.

[Tommy6860]

I've played DAO and DAII a couple of times, but I always romance Zevran, because he's the only one available and Anders, because I feel like his romance is in the spot light, not some side story, since he's so involved in the constant Templar Mage conflict. So romances are not a reason for me to replay the game.

 

When you speak of Zevran being the only LI,  I know you are talking about DA:O, but that's not true. Ill consider you may be just thinking of a male LI, but Alistair is also one as well in DA:O.

[SurelyForth]

Funny thing, I remember DG mentioned that not all DA2 LIs were "bi". He mentioned that their SO varied depending on what character you are playing. The only "real" bi in the game is actually Isabela.

 

I would say that Anders is bi, too. Even if he doesn't bring up Karl with female Hawke, that doesn't erase Karl from his past, and he has had sex with Isabela (and probably Namaya, from Awakening) which means that even in Male Hawke's games he is bisexual. 

 

(Gaider mentioned that he thought Anders was gay when he first saw him, and despite what Anders might have said/done in Awakening, Gaider never considered him a set heterosexual)

[Shaen Mac Tir]

so they're playersexual and the argument of it being realistic or meshing with their personalities seems a bit silly

 

Yes, but the "playersexuality" seems silly to me. That's my whole point here, and I'm also a bit tired of repeating the same things over and over again.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I've played DAO and DAII a couple of times, but I always romance Zevran, because he's the only one available and Anders, because I feel like his romance is in the spot light, not some side story, since he's so involved in the constant Templar Mage conflict. So romances are not a reason for me to replay the game.

This is the same with me, even the same LIs I picked. I replay to see some different story choices, but so far I've always chosen the same romance. ME3 I only played once, but I would still always choose Kaidan if I played again.

 

That's not to say two really awesome available m/m LIs wouldn't be one thing that could encourage another play, if it happened, though. 

[Nocte ad Mortem]

There are four LIs in DA:O, Morrigan, Zevran, Leliana and Alistair.

There are only 3 available in every playthrough due to gating.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

When you speak of Zevran being the only LI,  I know you are talking about DA:O, but that's not true. Ill consider you may be just thinking of a male LI, but Alistair is also one as well in DA:O.

Zevran is the only option for gay men.

[Divine Justinia V]

Yes, but the "playersexuality" seems silly to me. That's my whole point here, and I'm also a bit tired of repeating the same things over and over again.

 

and i'm tired of people dismissing that some people don't like playing as a different gender tbh

[Tommy6860]

Only 3 at any give time though, since one is always locked off.

 

That's not how the post was worded. It was defined as only having 3 LIs available no matter, read it again.  Not only that, it wasn't in response to another post, but made on its own.

 

Didn't Gaider write Anders in Awakening...and say Anders was always bisexual in Gaiders mind?

 

Maybe he was in his mind, but he wasn't written as such in the actual game. No mention of Anders SO is in play during DAA.

[oceanicsurvivor]

That's not how the post was worded. It was defined as only having 3 LIs available no matter, read it again.  Not only that, it wasn't in response to another post, but made on its own.

 

 

Maybe he was in his mind, but he wasn't written as such in the actual game. No mention of Anders SO is in play during DAA.

"There are 3 in all of Fereldan," Yeah. Alistair isn't an LI if you're a guy.

 

 

"Written as such in the actual game"? what even. Dude always liked dudes. Dude didn't always talk about the dude liking. Didn't mean it didn't happen.

[Jazinto]

When you speak of Zevran being the only LI,  I know you are talking about DA:O, but that's not true. Ill consider you may be just thinking of a male LI, but Alistair is also one as well in DA:O.

 

When I have the choice to play a gay character, I will always take it, because you don't get the chance very often.

[Panda]

I don't see a problem playing as a man or as a woman at all, and I can't see why people refure to play as a certain gender... it's a mystery to me...

 

Some people like to play as themselves and that's why they don't want to play as another gender. I prefer playing as characters whose story I can create by playing so my male/female ratio is almost 50/50 ^^

[SurelyForth]

and i'm tired of people dismissing that some people don't like playing as a different gender tbh

 

Exactly. Especially women who want to play as women, when given the chance. It sucks that we have these games that give us the opportunity to play characters that more fully represent us, yet we are cut off from content because of it.

 

And it's not like there are no other ways to define and add depth to companions beyond a sexual orientation that is rarely discussed outside of super limited contexts. Gating content based on in-game decisions would accomplish the exact same illusion of depth, and add immediate reactivity to the world without forcing players to give up representation.

[Tommy6860]

Yes, but only three are ever available to a character at any given time.

 

Right, I know that, but that isn't how the post I responded to worded it. It specifies there are only 3 without stating what the sex of the PC is.  Without specifying, then there are four available on the gender choices between two PCs.

 

 Here's what the OP stated, "Not every character is available to you. There are four possible love interests in a city packed with people. In DA:O, there were three in all of Ferelden."

 

It's obvious she is comparing DA:O to DA2. But the fact remains, you have four options no matter. Exclusivity doesn't occur until you choose a gender upon creating a new game in DA:O. All four I mentioned are possible LIs in DA:O. She didn't specify which would lead one who never played the games to consider there are limitations from the outset of starting a new game in DA:O.
 

[Tommy6860]

When I have the choice to play a gay character, I will always take it, because you don't get the chance very often.

 

There, you specified

[Darth Krytie]

Right, I know that, but that isn't how the post I responded to worded it. It specifies there are only 3 without stating what the sex of the PC is.  Without specifying, then there are four available on the gender choices between two PCs.

 

 Here's what the OP stated, "Not every character is available to you. There are four possible love interests in a city packed with people. In DA:O, there were three in all of Ferelden."

 

It's obvious she is comparing DA:O to DA2. But the fact remains, you have four options no matter. Exclusivity doesn't occur until you choose a gender upon creating a new game in DA:O. All four I mentioned ar epossible LIs in DA:O. She didn't specify which would lead one who never played the games to think there are limitations from the outset of starting a new game.
 

 

I'm not the one who misread what the OP stated. Not every character is available to your PC, in DA2, there were four...meaning your pc could romance any of the four. In DA:O, there were three...meaning your pc could only choose amongst three. A fourth was always off the table, no matter which type of pc you made. Which was exactly what she implied.

[Tommy6860]

I'm not the one who misread what the OP stated. Not every character is available to your PC, in DA2, there were four...meaning your pc could romance any of the four. In DA:O, there were three...meaning your pc could only choose between three. A fourth was always off the table, no matter which type of pc you made. Which was exactly what she implied.

 

OK, I get that and that is the code of the game. But from an LI perspective on being gender based, until the choice is made during the character creation, you have four. Does that make sense now?

[Chari]

I am so tired if careless, irresponsible, nymphomaniac dual wielding rogue LIs...
Sera fits this archetypes too well...