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#2351
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My first playthrough of DA2, I played a mage that was a pretty staunch activist. The only reason Anders pissed me off was because he didn't tell me what he was going to do.... because I wanted to help.  :ph34r:

 

But, seriously, it was like wtf, man? I thought we were in this together. We'd supposedly lived together for years at that point. It just seemed jarring, with the character I played and the amount of time we'd had together, that he wouldn't think he could just tell me what the plan was.


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#2352
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One of my Hawkes sided with the Templars and spared Anders in order to get his rivaled butt in on the crackdown and try to delegitimize his stance as radical mage revolutionary. Rather than 'Anders, the revolutionary martyr against Templar oppression,' it was 'Anders, the insane abomination who killed innocents to provoke a mage massacre he participated in.'

 

If Anders is going to be remembered by history, it will probably be as one of the more hated figures of history. The cautionary tale of the seemingly nice revolutionary maleficar that both mages and mundanes would use to scare small children. Maybe even become the Thedas setting's equivalent to Godwin's Law: 'as an argument continues, the probability of Anders being brought up approaches 1.'

 

Whether the mage rebellion succedes or fails by any meaningful measure, Anders may well be a stigma mages will have to work against for millenia. Think of how much effort and burdens of disproof will be needed to distinguish any talk of mage freedom and justice from, well, the guy who was literally a walking composite of mage freedom and justice.


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While I hated that Anders took such a drastic approach, I kind of love the place it puts Hawke in if s/he is romancing him. It's one of the best examples of a truly no win situation for me: I can't support terrorism but I don't want to abandon Anders. I've never found an option to pick that sits well with me and I kind of like that.

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While I hated that Anders took such a drastic approach, I kind of love the place it puts Hawke in if s/he is romancing him. It's one of the best examples of a truly no win situation for me: I can't support terrorism but I don't want to abandon Anders. I've never found an option to pick that sits well with me and I kind of like that.

 

Seriously, what difference does it make? Anders takes down the Kirkwall chantry in spite of your choices. I think it is pretty shitty that the story was set up that way. It's like choosing between having to go to McDonalds or Burger King to be honest.



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http://www.ausgamers...ntation-bioware Looks like it's a set orientation per love interest


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http://www.ausgamers...ntation-bioware Looks like it's a set orientation per love interest

 

Seriously doesn't seem like anything new considering Bioware's history with romances.



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I think that I want a prayer circle for Cassandra being bi. Because this is my major concern as of right this minute.

 

*gets in prayer circle* Same girl, same... i so want a warrior LI. D:


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If I'm siding with the mages I keep him alive out of pragmatic need for another body on my side and for him to hopefully try and make up for what he has done but my natural urge is to kill him as an act of justice.


I don't think keeping Anders on your side is pragmatic. The man has lost control of his action.

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*gets in prayer circle* Same girl, same... i so want a warrior LI. D:

 

Amen.


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I don't think keeping Anders on your side is pragmatic. The man has lost control of his action.

 

In DA2 he's better to have along than Sebastian at the end game state, honestly. But that's my opinion.



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"Better than Sebastian" is a bit of a low bar.
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#2362
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"Better than Sebastian" is a bit of a low bar.

Besides, Sebastian is just plain wishy-washy. Give him some time to cool down, and I question his willingness to carry out his threat to raze Kirkwall, let alone his ability.



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"Better than Sebastian" is a bit of a low bar.

 

Totally subjective, but then again, I never used him in any of my quests, so there's that. Still doesn't make Anders less effective as a power ranger in fights., again, my opinion.



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I don't doubt he has the ability to do it. Starkhaven's the strongest of the Marcher city states and Kirkwall's pretty beat to hell by the end of act three. But I agree that his resolve to do it will waver after he collects himself.



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I have literally zero issues with endorsing "terrorism" against the Chantry, so Anders and I always bone.



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Besides, Sebastian is just plain wishy-washy. Give him some time to cool down, and I question his willingness to carry out his threat to raze Kirkwall, let alone his ability.

Yeah, I'd say some crap too if my mother figure died in a horrible explosion, and my best friend decided to spare the guy responsible. Sebbie is a good guy, he wouldn't destroy a city for revenge. 



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I don't doubt he has the ability to do it. Starkhaven's the strongest of the Marcher city states and Kirkwall's pretty beat to hell by the end of act three. But I agree that his resolve to do it will waver after he collects himself.

 

Starkhaven is the strongest, for what it's worth, but it also isn't under his control. First he has to get there, then get into power, then resolve the effects of the power struggle, and only then can he look towards trying to build a military to attack Kirkwall. By which point, rebuilding and Templar consolidation/reconstruction should make Kirkwall stronger again.

 

City-state wars could be long and nasty, but they were generally inconclusive.



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I'm skeptical of Sebastian's ability to just show back up and reclaim the throne, honestly. He's given the current regime a whole decade to dig in. I doubt they're going to be pleased with just rolling over for him. Sebastian never seemed all that bright to me. I just never saw him as the sort of person that had the sort of presence and conviction the situation called for. 



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Yeah, I'd say some crap too if my mother figure died in a horrible explosion, and my best friend decided to spare the guy responsible. Sebbie is a good guy, he wouldn't destroy a city for revenge. 

 

Oh, I wouldn't say that. Good people can do terrible things. I just think it would be more akin to the razing of Atlanta rather than a Mongol sacking.

 

If he didn't second guess himself, of course.



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I'm skeptical of Sebastian's ability to just show back up and reclaim the throne, honestly. He's given the current regime a whole decade to dig in. I doubt they're going to be pleased with just rolling over for him. Sebastian never seemed all that bright to me. I just never saw him as the sort of person that had the sort of presence and conviction the situation called for. 

 

Considering I paid for his appearance in DA2, I'd like to be able to take him out in DA:I. Bioware needs to take an account of the money the fans spent on DA2 :P



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Considering I paid for his appearance in DA2, I'd like to be able to take him out in DA:I. Bioware needs to take an account of the money the fans spent on DA2 :P

Maybe he went back to his old ways and took up a position at the local obligatory brothel. You can "take him out" there.  :P


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Maybe he went back to his old ways and took up a position at the local obligatory brothel. You can "take him out" there.  :P

 

PMSL!



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Maybe he went back to his old ways and took up a position at the local obligatory brothel. You can "take him out" there.  :P

 

If I could make Alistair a drunken wreck, and move Sebastian to working at a brothel, I wonder how DAI will allow me to bring human nobility low? Perhaps Celene will be forced to make a living in the alienage serving elves?


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Well that would guarantee an Isabela cameo.



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If I could make Alistair a drunken wreck, and move Sebastian to working at a brothel, I wonder how DAI will allow me to bring human nobility low? Perhaps Celene will be forced to make a living in the alienage serving elves?

 

The romance thread is taking a serious turn, this is important :P. Make the non-compliant do the dirty work I say :)