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[Kleon]

If all elven Inquisitors are supposed to be Dalish then playing an elf without the vallaslin would make no sense lore-wise, unless the Inquisitor is a a child according to Dalish standards. Vallaslin is after all intergral part of Dalish culture.

 

I hope that we can at least find out the meaning behind specific tattoos before we chose which one our Inquisitor is going to have,

 

I wish we could get clarification wether all elven mages are Dalish by default. I believe that David Gaider wrote that all elven Inqusitors are going to be Dalish, but weren't mages supposed to have their own background?

[Shadow Fox]

 Lore is offered, unless that one dalish indeed grew up outside of the dalish, but then... is that "dalish" dalish?

Pol

 

Fair enough. It's true that we don't know much about the backgrounds. I, as you, prefer limits in my backgrounds. Makes roleplaying much more interesting for me.

 

 

I agree, up to a point. After all, several things that have been said in this thread would be impossible in DA:O.

 

The Dalish Warden's family was stated, for example. Father was the keeper before Marethari, mother was a huntress from another clan and the Warden's guardian was Ashalle, a friend of the family. The Dalish Warden couldn't be an elf whose parents dragged them to the Dalish, a friend of an elf who wanted to be a Dalish, an elf on the run who stumbled on to the Dalish, etc.

Eh I played my Dalish as a bit of a carefree immature person in the Origin.*always sneaking away from camp,doesn't take their history seriously,agreed with Tamlen on going inside the ruins alone*

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Only being Dalish is still the worst news about Inquisition. 

[Mistic]

If all elven Inquisitors are supposed to be Dalish then playing an elf without the vallaslin would make no sense lore-wise, unless the Inquisitor is a a child according to Dalish standards. Vallaslin is after all intergral part of Dalish culture.

 

I hope that we can at least find out the meaning behind specific tattoos before we chose which one our Inquisitor is going to have,

 

The lore also says that there is no shame if one doesn't feel ready to undergo the ritual. Maybe the Dalish PC was going to have the tatoos the next day, or week, or month.

 

Yes, it would be cool to know the meaning. Or the god or goddess they represent.

 

I wish we could get clarification wether all elven mages are Dalish by default. I believe that David Gaider wrote that all elven Inqusitors are going to be Dalish, but weren't mages supposed to have their own background?

 

No clarification about that, I'm afraid. It could be as simple as the Dalish Mage being a Keeper or a First and thus having a slightly different background, or something much more complicated.

 

Eh I played my Dalish as a bit of a carefree immature person in the Origin.*always sneaking away from camp,doesn't take their history seriously,agreed with Tamlen on going inside the ruins alone*

 

Oh, yeah, that is possible. But wait, what does it have to do with what I posted earlier?

[inarvan]

I thought the tattoos were one of the most interesting design choices for the Dalish in DA, and how it contrasted with how the Dwarves viewed tattoos.  I'd feel a bit disappointed if we didn't get some cool Dalish tattoo designs.

[Shadow Fox]

The lore also says that there is no shame if one doesn't feel ready to undergo the ritual. Maybe the Dalish PC was going to have the tatoos the next day, or week, or month.

 

Yes, it would be cool to know the meaning. Or the god or goddess they represent.

 

 

No clarification about that, I'm afraid. It could be as simple as the Dalish Mage being a Keeper or a First and thus having a slightly different background, or something much more complicated.

 

 

Oh, yeah, that is possible. But wait, what does it have to do with what I posted earlier?

Nobody in their right mind would consider her responsible enough for "adult" stuff.  

[Chashan]

Misticsan wrote...

 

The lore also says that there is no shame if one doesn't feel ready to undergo the ritual. Maybe the Dalish PC was going to have the tatoos the next day, or week, or month.

 

Yes, it would be cool to know the meaning. Or the god or goddess they represent.

 

To add to that, it is stated that it is a painful process, from what I remember.

 

...kind of forgot about just how much of a Dalish icon the tattoos were on my avatar. who went without them. Maybe it stung a tad too much when she tried getting them, and before retrying darned Tamlen had to go stick his nose into a certain cave...

 

[Ianamus]

The tattoos are what normally mark an an elf as Dalish, so really an elven Inquisitor should be approached differently depending on whether or not they have them. Will an elf without tattoos instantly be recognised as Dalish? Or will an elf with the tattoos not be recognized as Dalish? It seems like one is inevitable.

 

I suppose some story/gameplay segregation will have to be involved.

[Mistic]

The tattoos are what normally mark an an elf as Dalish, so really an elven Inquisitor should be approached differently depending on whether or not they have them. Will an elf without tattoos instantly be recognised as Dalish? Or will an elf with the tattoos not be recognized as Dalish? It seems like one is inevitable.

 

I suppose some story/gameplay segregation will have to be involved.

 

I try to remember what happened in DA:O. Every Dalish recognized the Dalish Warden as one of their own, but apart from them I think only Berwick, the elven spy in Redcliff, knew the difference. Ok, in Ostagar many knew he or she was Dalish, but Alistair mentions that Duncan had sent word about them before they  eached the camp, including that the new recruit was Dalish.

 

Sometimes it could lead to funny situations. Like in Witch Hunt, when the templar Hadley warns the Warden about Ariane because she's a Dalish. A Dalish Warden has the option to remind him that he or she is a Dalish too. You know, even after becoming famous, they still can't tell the difference, tattoos or not.

[Maclimes]

I hope there are more detailed tattoo options, but I also hope they are not "mandatory".

 

* If you care about the lore, then you will use the tattoos.

 

* If you don't care about the lore, you will use or not depending on if you think they're cool.

 

There's no harm in allowing other people to play the way they want. As long as you're happy with your elf, and I'm happy with my elf, who cares?

[Dobyk]

I hope there are more detailed tattoo options, but I also hope they are not "mandatory".

 

* If you care about the lore, then you will use the tattoos.

 

* If you don't care about the lore, you will use or not depending on if you think they're cool.

 

There's no harm in allowing other people to play the way they want. As long as you're happy with your elf, and I'm happy with my elf, who cares?

 

Oh, I totally agree with you. I don't particularly fancy facial tattoos, or tattoos in general actually, but at the same time I have this inner struggle that I'm basically betraying the lore by not following what is, well, perceived as common sense maybe. That's why I don't like the idea of players having only a Dalish background, it just forces some players into a mindset and a culture they don't like as much. I personally would rather play a "humanized" elven mage from the Circle rather than a Dalish weirdo that uses nature-ey magic and doesn't have a clue about the Fade, spirits, etc. But oh well, gotta try to adapt to the game, otherwise at this rate I won't buy it xD

[Shadow Fox]

Oh, I totally agree with you. I don't particularly fancy facial tattoos, or tattoos in general actually, but at the same time I have this inner struggle that I'm basically betraying the lore by not following what is, well, perceived as common sense maybe. That's why I don't like the idea of players having only a Dalish background, it just forces some players into a mindset and a culture they don't like as much. I personally would rather play a "humanized" elven mage from the Circle rather than a Dalish weirdo that uses nature-ey magic and doesn't have a clue about the Fade, spirits, etc. But oh well, gotta try to adapt to the game, otherwise at this rate I won't buy it xD

The Dalish aren't a hive mind you know.

 

Not every Dalish will agree with or interpret their religious and cultural views the same way as another.

 

Now whether these dissidents from the culturally accepted norms would be the majority or minority and tolerated or shunned is another matter entirely.

[Vearsin]

Seeing as its come up, at what age are Dalish even considered adults? I've read that even without a Zathrien-esk curse the dalish can still live to be over 300. 

[Zenbry]

Am I remembering wrong, or isn't it true that clan to clan there can be some significant differences? Isn't it possible that there is a clan where Vallaslin is done on a different body part or certain individuals in a clan have it done somewhere else so as to move more easily in the shemlen world? Just offering some lore-ish alternatives. 

 

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[Shadow Fox]

Am I remembering wrong, or isn't it true that clan to clan there can be some significant differences? Isn't it possible that there is a clan where Vallaslin is done on a different body part or certain individuals in a clan have it done somewhere else so as to move more easily in the shemlen world? Just offering some lore-ish alternatives. 

 

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Dalish tramp stamps anyone?

[Vearsin]

Am I remembering wrong, or isn't it true that clan to clan there can be some significant differences? Isn't it possible that there is a clan where Vallaslin is done on a different body part or certain individuals in a clan have it done somewhere else so as to move more easily in the shemlen world? Just offering some lore-ish alternatives. 

 

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It seems like part of it being on the face is to make a statement against humans and their social norms.  

[Dobyk]

The Dalish aren't a hive mind you know.

 

Not every Dalish will agree with or interpret their religious and cultural views the same way as another.

 

Now whether these dissidents from the culturally accepted norms would be the majority or minority and tolerated or shunned is another matter entirely.

 

Well, it's not like they have so much knowledge of lore and traditions to begin with... they might have different hunter, or healer, or craftsman traditions, perhaps slightly differing views on the Gods, but the general lifestyle is largely consistent - nomadic, a hunter-gatherer society, isolationist, having a sense of being "true" elves and knowing the right and only path for elvenkind. With that kind of speculation then why are we even discussing "Dalish" culture if this culture is supposedly so diverse and varying. We might as well refer to the Dalish mainly with their clan names to better distinguish different clan practices. I think there is a level of uniformity, very generally, to Dalish culture. Personally, I don't fancy playing in the general framework of this culture, even if it is divergent here and there, in different clans, in small details. It's not necessarily about where they put tattoos or how they hunt, but a sense that these elves are the true descendants of Dalish nobility of old and the only custodians of elven lore and language, with an innate sense of superiority above others. But then again, you could roleplay your Dalish as a general elf-sympathiser who embraces elvenkind despite origin. It all depends on how detailed they make the backgrounds for each race and how we can "customize" them with smaller details.

[Dobyk]

It seems like part of it being on the face is to make a statement against humans and their social norms.  

Yeah, but you see, my elf chick doesn't care about making statements xD She is too vain to allow anything on her face except for make-up. I feel like she will get along quite well with Viviene

[Vearsin]

Well I'm sure there are plenty Dalish like that too   

[Dobyk]

Well I'm sure there are plenty Dalish like that too   

 

Plus, how am I going to seduce rich, human males to get political power if I have a tattoo on my face that screams "****** please, I'm special". An upper back tattoo, however, would be so seeexy. Can't wait to use sharp wits and a woman's best weapon... which happens to be between her legs. Oh, did I say this out loud?

[Vearsin]

Plus, how am I going to seduce rich, human males to get political power if I have a tattoo on my face that screams "****** please, I'm special". An upper back tattoo, however, would be so seeexy. Can't wait to use sharp wits and a woman's best weapon... which happens to be between her legs. Oh, did I say this out loud?

Why Hello Dalish Cersei Lannister.

[BubbleDncr]

When I played DA:O, my first playthrough, I was Dalish. I didn't put any tattoos on my character, because I didn't want a tattoo. Then I realized I was the only Dalish without them, and had unintentionally broken the lore of the game.

 

I think at the very least, if you pick to play a Dalish elf, they should tell you in character creation about their tattoos. That way if players don't give themselves tattoos, they know what they're doing, rather than just feeling like they made a mistake later on.

[Captain Crash]

Technically, you are right.  I guess its whatever people feel comfortable role playing in the end.

 

I just hope for a much greater variety

[DRTJR]

Hopefully I will be able to walk around with out the "I'm a Heithen Ass please hate me" tatoos with out people telling me Oh your not prepared yet.

[Nefla]

So your Dalish Inquisitors are all kids then?

Or ran away to the city or something.