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[Fixers0]

The paragon-bias in that article is just painfull, Idi Amin, come on.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

You'd think that public opinion would weigh heavily against the salarians for the rachni wars and the krogan rebellions, yet the quarians are the ones that aren't welcome anywhere, despite them being the only ones that really suffered through the geth uprising.

 

The Quarians didn't have a world to stand on. The Salarians did. Salarians: cause two near galactic disasters and stay out of trouble. Quarians: screw up and are exiled for 300 years. What was the name of the PR firm the Salarians hired? The Quarians must have hired the same group that the Batarians hired.

 

And now that the Salarians sat out the Reaper war, they'll get rewarded for it, after they've uplifted the Yahg. Their minds are like a maze.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

So that's why they constantly try to uplift other species for them to do all the dirty work? In addition their "smart" plans more often than not seem to backfire. Examples: opening the relay to rachni space and uplifting the Krogans. Plus whatever they were planning with those Yahg on Sur'kesh was surely predeterminded to fail colossaly as well since the Yahgs intelligence is most likely superior to the ones of the Salarians.

The Genophage was effective though I'll give the sneaky lizards that. Probably their only major sucess, that we actually hear of.

 

I didn't know they uplifted every species to do dirty work for them (they don't). More often than not, they leave it to their operatives to quickly and quietly solve problems that are, according to the history of the species, hypercompetent. Next, opening a relay was standard practice at the time: hell, humanity was doing it for a while. The Salarians didn't have any acknowledged imperialistic plans when they did so. They just happened to activate a relay that led them to the Rachni, who promptly attacked them. Uplifting the Krogan was a move out of desperation to fight the Rachni. Or would you say being slowly overwhelmed is preferable? The Salarians weren't in the best of positions to do have a good number of options. Circumstances forced their hands.

 

And that's pure speculation on the part of the Yahg. You have no way of reliably anticipating that outcome, just as you have zero evidence to back your claim of Yahg intelligence. 

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Yahg.... shock troops for the Salarians during the war. Possibly for foot soldiers for their Salarian masters after the war. If you didn't cure the genophage the Salarians would have free reign of the galaxy. All fleets are very much weakened from the fight except theirs. So you can now live under the heel of the Salarian Empire with the Yahg patrolling your streets.

[KaiserShep]

However intelligent the yagh are is not really important. We already have evidence that they are at least sentient and have the capacity to operate as any other sapient life form in the MEU can. Unless it's determined that the Shadow Broker yagh was some kind of genetic fluke, or had his brain enlarged like the sharks in that sh*tty movie Deep Blue Sea, I must assume that they're like a mix between the Dothraki, krogan and the Langoliers. I for one would love to see uplifting them bite the frogs in the ass.

 

[congokong]

It's a narrow-minded article. Sure, you can play renegade Shepard in such a way that they do renegade actions that could be considered evil for the lulz or it could be because you're role-playing Shepard and making decisions without meta-gaming their outcome.

 

My canon Shepard was renegade and I would not consider her a "bad gal."

 

http://forum.bioware...shepards-story/

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Yahg.... shock troops for the Salarians during the war. Possibly for foot soldiers for their Salarian masters after the war. If you didn't cure the genophage the Salarians would have free reign of the galaxy. All fleets are very much weakened from the fight except theirs. So you can now live under the heel of the Salarian Empire with the Yahg patrolling your streets.

 

Personally, I don't put much stock in the idea that the Salarians are somehow safe just because they refused to help. I believe they got thrashed just as badly as everyone else, or like the Batarians. It was just never developed. It's not the first time that a thread of the narrative got shriveled up and left to die, especially in ME3. Just because it wasn't shown or acknowledged in game doesn't mean it wasn't likely to have happened. I don't think the Reapers would ignore the Salarians just because they decided that hating the Krogan was more important than stopping the Reapers. And beyond getting their help or not, curing the genophage cure would have little importance on how it affected the Salarians and their ability to fight.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

However intelligent the yagh are is not really important. We already have evidence that they are at least sentient and have the capacity to operate as any other sapient life form in the MEU can. Unless it's determined that the Shadow Broker yagh was some kind of genetic fluke, or had his brain enlarged like the sharks in that sh*tty movie Deep Blue Sea, I must assume that they're like a mix between the Dothraki, krogan and the Langoliers. I for one would love to see uplifting them bite the frogs in the ass.

 

At worst, I think they'd bite the Salarians, who would promptly come in, exterminate any specimens, and leave them on their own. If they really pissed off the Salarians, they'd engineer a plague to wipe out all the Yahg.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Personally, I don't put much stock in the idea that the Salarians are somehow safe just because they refused to help. I believe they got thrashed just as badly as everyone else, or like the Batarians. It was just never developed. It's not the first time that a thread of the narrative got shriveled up and left to die, especially in ME3. Just because it wasn't shown or acknowledged in game doesn't mean it wasn't likely to have happened. I don't think the Reapers would ignore the Salarians just because they decided that hating the Krogan was more important than stopping the Reapers. And beyond getting their help or not, curing the genophage cure would have little importance on how it affected the Salarians and their ability to fight.

 

We will have to agree to disagree. I didn't see a reaper vessel over the Salarian systems until the assault on Earth, and that was because their mass relay was locked out due to the Citadel being moved, and Bioware only allowing travel into the Solar System. It doesn't mean the Salarians were safe for the long term, but it means they had not yet been attacked. There is nothing in the codex or the wikia about them being attacked. If they had been attacked, it would have been mentioned in the codex. What you're stating is your head canon. 

[KaiserShep]

While the codex is not exactly the most airtight source of information, it should be noted that Sur'kesh's population is not specified to be a pre-invasion estimate like it is for Thessia, Earth, et al. Unless it's actually stated in the game, I could just as well assume that the reapers simply did not get to the salarians before they snagged the Citadel.

[themikefest]

A possible reason why the reapers avoided the Salarians is when the reapers were alerted to the Crucible and Citadel they may of had sent  more reapers to protect the Citadel instead of worrying about the Salarians at that time. 

[MassivelyEffective0730]

We will have to agree to disagree. I didn't see a reaper vessel over the Salarian systems until the assault on Earth, and that was because their mass relay was locked out due to the Citadel being moved, and Bioware only allowing travel into the Solar System. It doesn't mean the Salarians were safe for the long term, but it means they had not yet been attacked. There is nothing in the codex or the wikia about them being attacked. If they had been attacked, it would have been mentioned in the codex. What you're stating is your head canon. 

 

And yours isn't? I deny your assertion completely. The Salarians are among the 4, or even 3 most powerful races in the galaxy. Why wouldn't the Reapers attack them? As I said, it not being explicitly stated doesn't mean it isn't or wasn't happening. I already told you why it likely wasn't mentioned. Yours isn't any less head canon than my idea.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

A possible reason why the reapers avoided the Salarians is when the reapers were alerted to the Crucible and Citadel they may of had sent  more reapers to protect the Citadel instead of worrying about the Salarians at that time. 

 

As I said, I don't believe the Reapers were avoiding or ignoring the Salarians per se, but that it just wasn't mentioned. I can't say for sure why it wasn't, only that it wasn't.

[KaiserShep]

If the reapers do attack the salarians, it doesn't happen until the very end of the story. Even when Thessia is finally taken, there's no word on the state of the salarian homeworld on ANN or anywhere else, so it's safe to assume that they've yet to deal with the reapers directly. No matter what, they would have sustained the least damage by the story's conclusion (at least in high-EMS endings other than refuse).

[Barquiel]

You'd think that public opinion would weigh heavily against the salarians for the rachni wars and the krogan rebellions, yet the quarians are the ones that aren't welcome anywhere, despite them being the only ones that really suffered through the geth uprising.

 

The Quarians pass through systems, strip resources, tie up the mass relay for days, and accept bribes to leave from the people there. I think it's easy to see why people are not happy to see them

[KaiserShep]

Heh, space locusts.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

If the reapers do attack the salarians, it doesn't happen until the very end of the story. Even when Thessia is finally taken, there's no word on the state of the salarian homeworld on ANN or anywhere else, so it's safe to assume that they've yet to deal with the reapers directly. No matter what, they would have sustained the least damage by the story's conclusion (at least in high-EMS endings other than refuse).

 

I deny that. No information is not the same as positive information. I take it that the Salarians were whelped just as badly as everybody else. It was just never brought up in game. The Salarians, of the 4 species that ruled the galaxy, were always the ones that were least defined compared to the other 3 races, especially the Asari. 

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Heh, space locusts.

 

Exactly. And, in my opinion, the Quarians deserve their reputation. The Salarians don't deserve that kind of reputation. Which is fine, since they don't have that kind of reputation.

[KaiserShep]

So then the salarians are the Shroedinger's Reaper Victim. As far as the narrative is concerned, we get absolutely nothing other than our assumptions to work with.

[Barquiel]

Hackett said the salarians were attacked after Thessia, and that they are putting up a "spirited defense". Salarians and Asari definitely fared much better than Humans and Turians. Even if we assume the reapers conquered Sur'kesh, it spends a lot less time occupied than Earth or Palaven.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

So then the salarians are the Shroedinger's Reaper Victim. As far as the narrative is concerned, we get absolutely nothing other than our assumptions to work with.

 

For the most part, yes.

 

I personally don't see why the Reapers would leave them alone, but focus on, say, the Elcor. 

[KaiserShep]

Hackett said the salarians were attacked after Thessia, and that they are putting up a "spirited defense". Salarians and Asari definitely fared much better than Humans and Turians. Even if we assume the reapers conquered Sur'kesh, it spends a lot less time occupied than Earth or Palaven.

Thanks for clarifying. I missed that part.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Hackett said the salarians were attacked after Thessia, and that they are putting up a "spirited defense". Salarians and Asari definitely fared much better than Humans and Turians. Even if we assume the reapers conquered Sur'kesh, it spends a lot less time occupied than Earth or Palaven.

 

I wouldn't say that they fared better. I'd say everyone got their turn in equal measure. They all got the crap kicked out of them.

[KaiserShep]

I dunno if I would say equal. Khar'shan is probably the least likely to bounce back.

[Steelcan]

I dunno if I would say equal. Khar'shan is probably the least likely to bounce back.

At least not as quickly as the other races, Earth will be getting rebuilt first due to the proximity of the Citadel