I wouldn't say that they fared better. I'd say everyone got their turn in equal measure. They all got the crap kicked out of them.
I meant that the salarians and asari were invaded (conquered) late in the war. The occupation of their planets only lasted for a few days/weeks until Shepard shot the tube/assumed direct control/jumped into the beam and saved the galaxy. As such the loss of life and damage to property should be lower.
The morbid side of me likes to think that Khar'shan's population is pretty much obliterated by the end of ME3, and they'd have to be rebuilt from whatever is left among the refugees and any remaining percentage of their fleet.
I meant that the salarians and asari were invaded (conquered) late in the war. The occupation of their planets only lasted for a few days/weeks until Shepard shot the tube/assumed direct control/jumped into the beam and saved the galaxy. As such the loss of life and damage to property should be lower.
Pretty much, I'd say that at the end of the war
Sur'Kesh>Thessia>Palaven>Earth>Kar'Shan>Tuchunka
because let's face it Tuchunka was barely habitable before hand, I doubt the reapers helped things out
Why did the author of that article put exposing and ruining the reputation of a "war criminal" under evil acts?
I meant that the salarians and asari were invaded (conquered) late in the war. The occupation of their planets only lasted for a few days/weeks until Shepard shot the tube/assumed direct control/jumped into the beam and saved the galaxy. As such the loss of life and damage to property should be lower.
I don't know about that. No offense, but you're making up a time-frame, and estimates to damage. I'm delegating your idea to headcanon.
I'll be open with mine: The Asari got well and truly wallomped; in many ways, deservedly so. I see humans as having been a species chosen for harvesting, and thus the Earth as having been conquered without quite being stomped. The Turians proved their worthiness, and were selected to be made into a Destroyer. Everyone else got the extermination treatment where applicable. The Salarians got comparatively less **** than the Asari, but they still were terrifically damaged.
I don't know about that. No offense, but you're making up a time-frame, and estimates to damage. I'm delegating your idea to headcanon.
I'll be open with mine: The Asari got well and truly wallomped; in many ways, deservedly so. I see humans as having been a species chosen for harvesting, and thus the Earth as having been conquered without quite being stomped. The Turians proved their worthiness, and were selected to be made into a Destroyer. Everyone else got the extermination treatment where applicable. The Salarians got comparatively less **** than the Asari, but they still were terrifically damaged.
head canon isn't acceptable in a debate, you know that
fact is Thessia is in better shape than Earth
I don't recall anything about the turians being selected to create a destroyer. What's this from?
The morbid side of me likes to think that Khar'shan's population is pretty much obliterated by the end of ME3, and they'd have to be rebuilt from whatever is left among the refugees and any remaining percentage of their fleet.
I'm on that note as well, though I add the Asari, Elcor, Quarians, and Krogan to that pile. Not quite to the same level, but some species, like the Batarians and Quarians I have being a critically endangered species post-war. Same with the Elcor. The Hanar are alright, but the Drell would be in even more dire straights.
I have the Raloi being completely wiped out. Same with the Virtual Aliens.
head canon isn't acceptable in a debate, you know that
fact is Thessia is in better shape than Earth
Thessia might be in better shape than Earth, but without the artifact to help the Asari make any advancement, they are doomed
head canon isn't acceptable in a debate, you know that
fact is Thessia is in better shape than Earth
I'm not making it a debate. I acknowledged my side of it as headcanon as well. All I did was call out others' headcanon. I never denied that mine was headcanon as well.
You really can't say that it is. Time is hardly a factor in an invasion or campaign. It took almost 7 months to 'secure' Baghdad during Iraqi Freedom, and even then, it was never fully pacified. Meanwhile, Tikrit and Fallujah were both given operations that took a matter of days, and afterwards, entire parts of both cities were left looking like the surface of the moon. It's not necessarily about time so much as it is intensity and activity.
I don't recall anything about the turians being selected to create a destroyer. What's this from?
My headcanon. Like I said.
Hackett said the salarians were attacked after Thessia, and that they are putting up a "spirited defense". Salarians and Asari definitely fared much better than Humans and Turians. Even if we assume the reapers conquered Sur'kesh, it spends a lot less time occupied than Earth or Palaven.
This.
Intro arc - Nothing
Genophage arc - Perimeter maybe being tested, but nothing happening
Rannoch arc - Perimeter maybe being breached, but nothing huge
Thessia onward - Perimeter breached and Sur'Kesh in danger of invasion, bringing all the major species into the Crucible fold
I disagree with Massively - I think they were eventually invaded, but Sur'Kesh is not nearly in the same shape as Palaven, Thessia, or Earth. Around the end of the game, it'd be just starting to get invaded, if that.
The Reapers likely don't attack Sur'Kesh until near the end, because the Salarian advantage is striking first and knowing all about the enemy. Because they were unable to do either, the Salarians get to sit on their superior-minded asses and just hope that they'll make it. Once their Councillor is attacked though, they have no choice than to send at least a fleet to support the Crucible plan. It is this movement (and likely similar things), that would have brought the Reapers finally to Sur'Kesh near the end.
The Reapers have goals, aims, and strategy. The Salarians are the weakest in the type of conflict against the Reapers, and of less priority. The Turians are the biggest combat threat, and the Asari are the biggest leadership threat. The Salarians' science matters little while the War/Harvest is going on. At most, they'd be able to figure out a significantly useful Reaper weakness at some point later on. It's not that the Reapers were avoiding them - it's that resources are better spent elsewhere at first.
Heck, they even underestimated the threat of the Krogan, Quarians, and Geth - just sending one Destroyer to each home planet and seemingly calling it a day.
But then Shepard and co. interfered and forced the Reapers to divert forces to keep those species occupied. The end result is that the brunt force of the Reapers are still on Earth (and still very invincible), but spread out more than they might have liked and left an opening for the Crucible to work its magic instead of being immediately destroyed. At least that's how I see it.
I'd rather that no aliens be wiped out completely, even if only because I'd like there to be new alien encounters in any future games without requiring prequels to do so.
Thessia might be in better shape than Earth, but without the artifact to help the Asari make any advancement, they are doomed
I wouldn't say that they're doomed, but I would say that their status as the most advanced race in the galaxy will be lost, and their general reputation will have taken a very significant hit.
I'd rather that no aliens be wiped out completely, even if only because I'd like there to be new alien encounters in any future games without requiring prequels to do so.
I'm not really bringing new games into account for my headcanon. I've diverged completely from where BW chooses to go.
For the most part, yes.
I personally don't see why the Reapers would leave them alone, but focus on, say, the Elcor.
Send a few Destroyers to a minor species planet. Easy. Relatively cheap. Doesn't distract from main Harvest.
I dunno if I would say equal. Khar'shan is probably the least likely to bounce back.
Not in the short term. To me it seems to go: Sur'Kesh --> Earth --> Palaven --> Thessia --> Khar'Shan, or something like that. And both Tuchanka and Rannoch being built up during this process.
IMO the Batarians don't even need to be written to rebuild Khar'Shan. Personally, I'd like them to populate somewhere else in the wish to let old ghosts rest, and we could see and visit Khar'Shan as a giant tombstone in a future game 
The morbid side of me likes to think that Khar'shan's population is pretty much obliterated by the end of ME3, and they'd have to be rebuilt from whatever is left among the refugees and any remaining percentage of their fleet.
I agree. However, I try a more hopeful approach. Without the Hegemony, the writing tone in ME3 suggests that they're in for a brighter future.
Why did the author of that article put exposing and ruining the reputation of a "war criminal" under evil acts?
Bad context in the wiki writing imo. It isn't so much that he exposed Tali's father. It's that he does it without any real care to Tali. Is it really so much to have a heartfelt talk with her about why this needs to be done, and why the fleet needs the harsh truth?
Well gameplay wise, it kinda is. Everyone would pick that, except ardent Tali haters maybe. But still, it makes Renegade a callous jerk to others' emotional needs.
YMMV
Thessia might be in better shape than Earth, but without the artifact to help the Asari make any advancement, they are doomed
There certainly isn't a bright tone to the Asari's future from ME3, is there? Outside of Extended Cut small bits, I guess.
It is hard to imagine them on top anymore, at least. If there even is to be a Council of the 4 species (just imagine it), the Asari shouldn't be at the very 'lead' position anymore.
I personally wonder if the Turians rise up once they get their stuff sorted (for better or worse), and the Salarians have the seeds for a civil war.
I don't know about that. No offense, but you're making up a time-frame, and estimates to damage. I'm delegating your idea to headcanon.
I'll be open with mine: The Asari got well and truly wallomped; in many ways, deservedly so. I see humans as having been a species chosen for harvesting, and thus the Earth as having been conquered without quite being stomped. The Turians proved their worthiness, and were selected to be made into a Destroyer. Everyone else got the extermination treatment where applicable. The Salarians got comparatively less **** than the Asari, but they still were terrifically damaged.
I don't see how any of this is "my headcanon".
Palaven was under siege for a long time and it was the site of sustained fighting. There was heavy orbital bombardment. We know the reapers destroyed every city, huge portions of the planet are on fire and it's mentioned that so much dust/debris has been thrown up into the atmosphere that it creates a breathing hazard. The Reapers didn't have a harvesting approach to Palaven, that's for sure. And the krogan also used nukes on the planet...
We know Earth was the first Council species' homeworld to be invaded and it has the largest reaper presence (most processor ships). We also know the number of humans processed each day was estimated at 1.86 million.
Asari and Salarian space was invaded late in the war. That's also canon and mentioned several times in the game. Some of their colony worlds weren't even attacked when the game ends.
Maybe we'll have a prothean krogan empire moving forward. Their reproduction rate suggests they'll be a major force anyway, and the rest of the galaxy might not be in too good of shape to oppose them.
Maybe we'll have a
protheankrogan empire moving forward. Their reproduction rate suggests they'll be a major force anyway, and the rest of the galaxy might not be in too good of shape to oppose them.
All of the species seem primed to either take the galaxy by empire, or unleash big powers, or act in surprising ways.
The Krogans may or may not want a large empire, but they may have to actually face a more dynamic opposition this time - not the more static Citadel Council.
I sure am glad the odds of BioWare making the next game a plot along these lines is pretty much zero.
I don't see how any of this is "my headcanon".
Palaven was under siege for a long time and it was the site of sustained fighting. There was heavy orbital bombardment. We know the reapers destroyed every city, huge portions of the planet are on fire and it's mentioned that so much dust/debris has been thrown up into the atmosphere that it creates a breathing hazard. The Reapers didn't have a harvesting approach to Palaven, that's for sure. And the krogan also used nukes on the planet...
We know Earth was the first Council species' homeworld to be invaded and it has the largest reaper presence (most processor ships). We also know the number of humans processed each day was estimated at 1.86 million.
Asari and Salarian space was invaded late in the war. That's also canon and mentioned several times in the game. Some of their colony worlds weren't even attacked when the game ends.
The days/weeks part certainly is. As is the amount of damage for either the Asari or Salarians. Hell, most of the stuff brought up for the Salarians is unknowable within the confines of the game. You're telling me facts, but not relevant data about the humans and Turians. What isn't canon is how late in the war the Asari or Salarians were invaded. It's never mentioned at what point in the war either are invaded. And there is no proof at all for the last statement. I won't deny the possibilty, but I will deny the liklihood. The last paragraph is the only relevant one, and the only one I'm acknowledging as complete headcanon.
I sure am glad the odds of BioWare making the next game a plot along these lines is pretty much zero.
I sure am glad that you make a fool of yourself thinking you know everything and what's best for everything.
All of the species seem primed to either take the galaxy by empire, or unleash big powers, or act in surprising ways.
The Krogans may or may not want a large empire, but they may have to actually face a more dynamic opposition this time - not the more static Citadel Council.
This is true. I guess a lot of it depends on how far into the future Bioware takes the next game... and whether the genophage is cured or not, at least as far as the krogan are concerned.
Thessia might be in better shape than Earth, but without the artifact to help the Asari make any advancement, they are doomed
The same can be said for Earth. The Mars Archive artifact was erased by Cerberus. My headcanon says that the information was destroyed when the Alliance attacked Cronos. It's as valid as Massively's headcanon.
The reaper strategy against the Asari was different on most worlds. This is in the codex. Since their usual tactics are ineffective against biotics, they threatened to attack their infrastructure and decimate that. This caused many of the colonies to surrender outright. And the reapers were able to just leave a garrison and focus their military efforts on other worlds like Earth, Palaven and Tuchanka. On some of their colony worlds the Asari retreated into the jungles and forests where they bogged down reaper ground forces. Other than Thessia and those few worlds, their infrastructure is relatively intact.
The Salarians were attacked but they apparently kept them out of their home system. The Asari were also being attacked in the beginning but Thessia had not been attacked until near the end.
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