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Consider for a moment that this could very well be the Jack that gets imported to ME3. And she's working as a teacher.

Provided Jack kills Aresh in the course of her loyalty mission (either by choosing the Intimidate option or failing to take the interrupt after choosing the non-persuasive paragon option), it seems reasonable to me that there ought to have been an alternate path for her in ME3, even if it's as simple as being captured by Cerberus without appearing at Grissom. I'm sure others would have different ideas about what role she could have played in the story, and I'm interested to hear them.

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This isn't limited to Jack alone. How would you have liked to see Morinth involved in ME3 if she survived the events of ME2, either by siding with her over Samara or scaring her off before she takes you back to the apartment (thus producing a situation where both she and Samara are alive in ME3)? I think it'd have been interesting if Morinth showed up at the Ardat-Yakshi monastery, attempting to rescue her sisters (emails in ME3 which were blocked before they could reach Rila and Falere suggest that she wanted to do so). Morinth, of course, would want to free them for an entirely different purpose than Samara does - and if both of them are alive on account of failing Samara's loyalty mission, it could have resulted in an explosive encounter as their conflicting rescue missions collide.
 
Based on import conditions, how would you have changed the roles of recurring characters?

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Well I don't think many people support Jack as a teacher in imports where she killed Aresh, it implies wayyyyy too much character growth to happen off screen.  I think having her tie into a side mission on the Citadel is a bit more called for, perhaps she is working with Aria or something similar with Grissom playing as if she is absent otherwise, and the mission with Aria being altered based on her presence or not

 

Also, crazy teachers http://www.cracked.c...l-teachers.html



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Well I don't think many people support Jack as a teacher in imports where she killed Aresh, it implies wayyyyy too much character growth to happen off screen.  I think having her tie into a side mission on the Citadel is a bit more called for, perhaps she is working with Aria or something similar with Grissom playing as if she is absent otherwise, and the mission with Aria being altered based on her presence or not
 
Also, crazy teachers http://www.cracked.c...l-teachers.html

Doesn't make much sense for Jack to call a Shepard who goaded her into executing Aresh the "king/queen of the boy/girl scouts" either.

*quickly scans linked article*

What. The. F***.

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Doesn't make much sense for Jack to call a Shepard who goaded her into executing Aresh the "king/queen of the boy/girl scouts" either.

Or a renegade Shepard in general

 

When I first heard that line I thought it was morality sensitive, then I played as a hard renegade, and was sorely disappointed...


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If you save Kirrahe and his team on Virmire, then you get him as a squadmate. In ME3.



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I wouldn't make Jack a teacher/instructor at all.

 

After you finish Priority Palaven, you receive an email from Hackett requesting that Shepard investigate a disturbance on some planet that has Cerberus looking for some object and if Shepard can get the object first, it could help the war effort. As you get to the planet, you find out the object is Jack. You kill the Cerberus soldiers and either can decide to send her Hackett, if he will take her, or have her become a squadmate. This mission would have to be done before Tuchanka otherwise you encounter Jack as a phantom on Chronos.



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I wouldn't make Jack a teacher/instructor at all.
 
After you finish Priority Palaven, you receive an email from Hackett requesting that Shepard investigate a disturbance on some planet that has Cerberus looking for some object and if Shepard can get the object first, it could help the war effort. As you get to the planet, you find out the object is Jack. You kill the Cerberus soldiers and either can decide to send her Hackett, if he will take her, or have her become a squadmate. This mission would have to be done before Tuchanka otherwise you encounter Jack as a phantom on Chronos.

Trying to remember; you started with ME2, didn't you? I can see where Miranda could have contributed to the story enough throughout to return as a permanent squadmate, but for Thane, Grunt, Jack, Samara and Jacob, I have a harder time seeing it. Granted, Garrus doesn't have any real plot relevance at all.

Not that I'm saying no to a kick-ass Liara alternative, just curious how you envision her interaction with other squadmates and the perspective she'd bring throughout the story.

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Not that I'm saying no to a kick-ass Liara alternative.

I can't remember if you're the one who hates her, but Vasir is a good option for this. We already have too many human squadmates, and Jack has a problem with wearing people clothes. 



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I can't remember if you're the one who hates her, but Vasir is a good option for this. We already have too many human squadmates, and Jack has a problem with wearing people clothes.

Straying a bit off-topic, but personally, I'd have liked it if, in ME1, depending on whether you went to Therum or Feros first, either Liara (adept) or Shiala (vanguard) were recruitable as squadmates.

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I'd have a non-loyal Miranda not be fully out Cerberus's door, with the full extent of TIM's treachery hidden from her. Instead she'd show up at the end of the first post-Mars Cerberus-related mission that Shepard does, and then have a VS-style standoff where Shepard has to talk her into leaving Cerberus and helping the Alliance and Council instead.

 

I'd also have Grunt on Tuchanka at first and have him and Aralakh Company go with Shepard to Utukku instead of already being there. If his loyalty mission was completed with Wrex in charge, he's on board for taking a more cooperative approach due to his respect for Wrex and Shepard, but if he isn't loyal or Wreav is in charge, he's conflicted about it and more open to the idea of being aggressive and seeking revenge for the genophage after the war is over.



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Trying to remember; you started with ME2, didn't you? I can see where Miranda could have contributed to the story enough throughout to return as a permanent squadmate, but for Thane, Grunt, Jack, Samara and Jacob, I have a harder time seeing it. Granted, Garrus doesn't have any real plot relevance at all.

Not that I'm saying no to a kick-ass Liara alternative, just curious how you envision her interaction with other squadmates and the perspective she'd bring throughout the story.

I only put that idea because Jack being a teacher is out of character for her. I'm not sure how the interaction would be on the ship. If I was to have her on the ship I would give her some half decent armor to wear. She could replace T'soni if you had the option to send Liara to Hackett otherwise Jack can go where she would help the most.

 

Yes I did start with ME2 first. On my first playthrough I got to Illium, I got this hug from whoever and saved the game. I went to the game store and asked the guy who that character was. He said since ME1 isn't on the ps3, it would be easier if I got the game on pc to find out who she is intsead of him explaining it to me. I finished my ME2 playthrough without seeing that character again. After I finished ME2, I started ME1 on the pc and thats when I understood who T'soni was.



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 Couple things....

 

-- Aresh is some creeper who wants to restart "biotic death camps" (thank you, Tela Vasir). Wanting to kill that guy is hardly indicative of being trouble, any more than, say, young Kaidan killing his abusive instructor (who happens to also be training/leading biotic kids).

 

-- Convicted criminals can still get jobs, and yes, even as teachers, if employers are truly desperate to fill open spots. Competent human biotics are rare commodities, what to say of those as powerful and experienced as Jack.

 

To that end, Jack is not an elementary-school teacher whose job requires nurturing very young children. She's more like an athletics coach or trainer, and for teenagers -- an age group with whom she would probably identify with and be well-received (can't tell you how many times I heard "Jack is just there for teenage players!" in the ME2 days). You don't need to be particularly smart, caring, patient, or anything you'd expect of traditional teachers to have the job she has, basically teaching gym class.

 

-- The kids in question are training for combat/war, so it makes a kind of sense to hire the killer biotic to train them.

 

-- Nobody would simply hand her this job. She'd likely interview for it, first. In the talks Shepard can have with her in ME2, Jack never struck me as a "bad" person, just young. Given that, I can see why someone who actually talks to Jack would feel like her criminal record is not indicative of who/what she really is.

 

-- Dare I bring up the events of her particular ME:Foundation comic? Jack works with children there, liberating them from Cerberus. Obviously, she saw herself in those kids and wanted to help spare them the same pain. Could it be that the explanation for her ME3 role is similar? Say what you will about the comic series, but I don't find that to be a stretch for her character, though I suppose others may judge her differently so YMMV.

 

 

I'll agree that the path they took for this particular decision minimizes the feeling of the player's choice making any real difference, and that expectation exists implicitly. I was expecting to see something where the Renegade resolution would lead Jack down a more "mercenary" path. However, the fact that she has a past (so to speak) alone is not really compelling argument against her current role, in my eyes.

 

 

*snip*

I think it'd have been interesting if Morinth showed up at the Ardat-Yakshi monastery, attempting to rescue her sisters (emails in ME3 which were blocked before they could reach Rila and Falere suggest that she wanted to do so). Morinth, of course, would want to free them for an entirely different purpose than Samara does - and if both of them are alive on account of failing Samara's loyalty mission, it could have resulted in an explosive encounter as their conflicting rescue missions collide.

 

That, I can agree with. Would have been really interesting to see Morinth's reunion with the sisters.

 

Seeing Morinth and Samara face off in the scenario you described would also be cool, but it would arguably be rewarding failure, so...


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To be honest, whenever I meet Jack at Grissom (about 50% of the time, she dies in a lot of my playthroughs) when she tells me she's a teacher, I ALWAYS respond that that's nuts.

 

Also, if Shepard had a renegade interrupt to smack Jack back she might survive in more of my playthroughs.



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Keeping withing the framework of ME3 the best I can.

 

A Jack who hasn't had her issues resolved will basically go back to what she was doing before the events of ME2 and won't be encountered in person during the course of ME3. Perhaps, though she could show up in the Omega DLC, with her head still shaved and fighting Cerberus. Grissom Academy will play out like she was dead. I did brainstorming an entirely new arc for her which builds up to her becoming a teacher but it would require a different ME3.

 

Like you said, Morinth shows up at the monastery.

 

Maelon would have a cameo in the Omega DLC.

 

Do the Rachni count? If they were killed in ME1 neither them nor the Ravagers will show up.

 

An exiled Tali would join the team much sooner (around the same time as Liara or Garrus) and be surprised about the attempt to retake Rannoch. If the evidence was used Tali will not join the Normandy at the conclusion of the Rannoch arc, although she will be available as a temporary squadmate for the arc itself.

 

If Grunt's loyalty mission was not done he will not show up with Aralakh company as he wouldn't have the prestige.



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Out of curiosity, in the situation described in the OP -- something I've never played through myself -- do you gain Jack's loyalty through that? Does she survive the SM, or perhaps I should say is the likelihood of her death on the collector base increased?



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Out of curiosity, in the situation described in the OP -- something I've never played through myself -- do you gain Jack's loyalty through that? Does she survive the SM, or perhaps I should say is the likelihood of her death on the collector base increased?

Yep. She's loyal if you complete the mission. How you complete it is of no consequence.
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