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[MassivelyEffective0730]

But also a lot more boring.

 

Eh, it's a tradeoff: When he was banned and gone, it was boring here. When he's here, it's irritating and depressing. Can't make a good balance with him.

[TheTurtle]

Hermione is competent, but she didn't do that.

What Harry Potter book were you reading and if not reading what movie were you watching? She does it in both would you like to point out where she doesn't.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

What Harry Potter book were you reading and if not reading what movie were you watching? She does it in both would you like to point out where she doesn't.

 

Indeed, but I'd argue the utility of her powers. Hell, I'm a guy who doesn't really see a lot of the appeal anymore to Harry Potter.

 

But that's me. The quickest fix for any Voldemort problem would be the proper application of a hypersonic fin-stabilized shell discarding depleted uranium long rod penetrator sabot. To the head. It'll blow his head up. And probably most of his upper body. Voldemort's not coming back from that.

 

Artillery works too.

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

The solution to the central conflict in Harry Potter: guns. 

You know, those things that are actively scoffed at in that world of theirs. 

Just some nice 9mm hollowpoints. Robes don't provide great ballistic protection. 

[TheTurtle]

Indeed, but I'd argue the utility of her powers. Hell, I'm a guy who doesn't really see a lot of the appeal anymore to Harry Potter.

But that's me. The quickest fix for any Voldemort problem would be the proper application of a hypersonic fin-stabilized shell discarding depleted uranium long rod penetrator sabot. To the head. It'll blow his head up. And probably most of his upper body. Voldemort's not coming back from that.

Artillery works too.

B..b..but the magic.

Seriously though the war would have gone a lot quicker had the wizards asked the muggles for help. I mean we clearly see they have some level of communication with the British Parliament. Why the prime minister didn't demand to have some kind of involvment was mind boggling.

Don't get me wrong I love the series and it's what I grew up reading, but as I get older the inconsistencies start becoming more noticeable.

[SwobyJ]

Muggle leadership would have all been swiftly killed by Death Eaters. Panic ensues. Total chaos. Muggles can't do much of anything. Bullets can be protected from with spells.

[Mordokai]

Everyone "loves" Kelly Chambers and She loves everyone if you know what I mean.

 

She is such an open person, yes

[TheTurtle]

Muggle leadership would have all been swiftly killed by Death Eaters. Panic ensues. Total chaos. Muggles can't do much of anything. Bullets can be protected from with spells.

Are we positive of that though. Protego has only ever been cast to protect from other magic spells there is no telling if it has any effect on muggle weapons. Plus we're talking about more than just guns we're talkng heavy artillery and mobile vehicles. Let's also not forget that the death eaters prior to the end of book were still in the shadows and weren't as large in numbers compared to book 7.

Sure in the end you still need Harry to finish Voldemort once and for all, but the muggles could do a good enough job helping in the war effort.

[Zazzerka]

Pass Voldemort a note that says, "Accio ICBM."

 

In his confusion, he'll read it aloud.

[SwobyJ]

Are we positive of that though. Protego has only ever been cast to protect from other magic spells there is no telling if it has any effect on muggle weapons. Plus we're talking about more than just guns we're talkng heavy artillery and mobile vehicles. Let's also not forget that the death eaters prior to the end of book were still in the shadows and weren't as large in numbers compared to book 7.

Sure in the end you still need Harry to finish Voldemort once and for all, but the muggles could do a good enough job helping in the war effort.

 

I'm sure muggles can do stuff.

 

But once you drag them in, all bets are off. Chaos. Good Siders don't want it, because muggles are vulnerable and comparatively weak. Any weapons they have can easily be nullified. Have you seen the charms in the series?? Death Eaters prefer not to have it, because it just adds complications to their plan of ruling the wizarding world. But they don't mind it as much, and will openly torture muggles if they want to enough. Hmm..maybe that means something.

 

For ICBMs, there's spells that put objects into whole other realms, or transform them into rabbits. There's nothing muggles have that wizards can't quickly make useless.

 

Anywayyyy

[MassivelyEffective0730]

I'm pretty sure Swoby just made up half the stuff he just said.

[Nightwriter]

I like that I have turned this into a Harry Potter discussion. My work here is done.

 

Derailment Girl, away!

[von uber]

Never got the attraction of Harry Potter.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

I like that I have turned this into a Harry Potter discussion. My work here is done.

 

Derailment Girl, away!

 

Never understood the appeal. It's just magical wish fulfillment. It's a bloody crime Harry and Hermione weren't together though. 

 

Never got the attraction of Harry Potter.

 

Neither did I. I liked a lot when I was younger, but looking back, I question what I liked about it.

[TheTurtle]

I'm sure muggles can do stuff.

 

But once you drag them in, all bets are off. Chaos. Good Siders don't want it, because muggles are vulnerable and comparatively weak. Any weapons they have can easily be nullified. Have you seen the charms in the series?? Death Eaters prefer not to have it, because it just adds complications to their plan of ruling the wizarding world. But they don't mind it as much, and will openly torture muggles if they want to enough. Hmm..maybe that means something.

 

For ICBMs, there's spells that put objects into whole other realms, or transform them into rabbits. There's nothing muggles have that wizards can't quickly make useless.

 

Anywayyyy

The muggles have a distinct advantage though, unlike wizards they have some kind of power without wands. Without wands most wizards are nothing. Wandless magic is extremely rare in the Harry Potter universe so rare that when Harry claims to have done it most people don't believe him. If the light worked with the muggles then it could have been battles with nothing but expelliarmus charms and gun fire. There is also the fact that if wizards don't see it coming then there is nothing that can defend them.

 

Never understood the appeal. It's just magical wish fulfillment. It's a bloody crime Harry and Hermione weren't together though. 

 

 

Neither did I. I liked a lot when I was younger, but looking back, I question what I liked about it.

There are a lot of different reasons as to why Harry Potter is as big as it is. The reason I love it is because it has deep roots in my childhood. My mom would read the books every night and slowly taught me how to read while doing so. I know a lot of people have stories like this as well, but there are other reasons.

 

Yes there is a level of magical wish-fulfillment, but is it such a bad thing. Harry as a character is pretty damn plain, there's nothing completely spectacular about him. That allows readers young and old alike to get lost in that world by using Harry as a proxy. There's this page on Facebook called "the Common Room" they do this thing about Harry Potter confessions. When you those some of them can be kind of heartbreaking a lot of people found the series while going through a rough time. When you read about Harry who escaped life with an abusive family, who went from thinking he was nothing into being the greatest hero the wizarding world has ever seen it makes you happy. 

 

So I guess what I'm saying is the fanaticism and adoration that surrounds Harry Potter is a psychological thing and whether that's good or bad is up to you.

[KaiserShep]

Conventional weapons in Harry Potter? What manner of poppycock is this?

 

Anyway, as for the original subject of this thread, there's no one on the ship that I would really care to replace. I guess they've all kind of grown on me. If I had to replace someone, the obvious choice for me would be EDI's body, because her character is independent of the mech. I'd just replace her with Miranda. The ME2 team is the only cast of characters I'd ever care to use as my pool of substitutes, and we already got Mordin and Legion to cover the krogan and geth plots.

[Mordokai]

The muggles have a distinct advantage though, unlike wizards they have some kind of power without wands. Without wands most wizards are nothing. Wandless magic is extremely rare in the Harry Potter universe so rare that when Harry claims to have done it most people don't believe him. If the light worked with the muggles then it could have been battles with nothing but expelliarmus charms and gun fire. There is also the fact that if wizards don't see it coming then there is nothing that can defend them.

 

One could make an argument that guns are nothing more than wands that muggles use and greatly inferior to actual magic wands even, since they only perform one kinds of "spell". And, much like magic users, they are quite powerless without those wands.

[TheTurtle]

One could make an argument that guns are nothing more than wands that muggles use and greatly inferior to actual magic wands even, since they only perform one kinds of "spell". And, much like magic users, they are quite powerless without those wands.

True enough, but if we're talking about an army full of muggles compared to wizards I'm still putting my money on muggles. You have to remember that wands are only capable of firing one spell at a time so for every spell fired at a muggle weapon five more are there shoot you. Then there is also the lack of any hand to hand combat training which a muggle army would have.

If we're going by the books then most pureblood wizards know little about muggle weapons. There is a part in one of the books where Arthur Weasley can't even remember what a handgun is called. I believe he was explaining that someone almost got hurt messing around with one, but I don't exactly remember.

Death eaters look at muggles as inferior so the first attack any muggle made on them would be laughed at; that is until they are shot by automatic weapons. In tandem the light and muggles could easily defeat the death eaters.

[KaiserShep]

Whether or not it would be effective doesn't really help its destructive nature on the story itself. I can only imagine how swift and painful a death the entire franchise would suffer if the end was resolved with gun-toting muggles.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Whether or not it would be effective doesn't really help its destructive nature on the story itself. I can only imagine how swift and painful a death the entire franchise would suffer if the end was resolved with gun-toting muggles.

 

Pragmatists like me who prefer an inerrancy to reality would find it satisfying. 

[Mordokai]

True enough, but if we're talking about an army full of muggles compared to wizards I'm still putting my money on muggles. You have to remember that wands are only capable of firing one spell at a time so for every spell fired at a muggle weapon five more are there shoot you. Then there is also the lack of any hand to hand combat training which a muggle army would have.

If we're going by the books then most pureblood wizards know little about muggle weapons. There is a part in one of the books where Arthur Weasley can't even remember what a handgun is called. I believe he was explaining that someone almost got hurt messing around with one, but I don't exactly remember.

Death eaters look at muggles as inferior so the first attack any muggle made on them would be laughed at; that is until they are shot by automatic weapons. In tandem the light and muggles could easily defeat the death eaters.

 

I'm guessing there's a lot of magic we aren't seeing. Surely there must be protective spells... if they can protect from magical energies, surely they can come up with something that protects from bullets as well? But then again, it is true that, as you mentioned, wizards are a little old fashioned and a good portion of them looks down on muggles. Adaptation would probably take long time and by the time they came up with something, it might be too late already.

 

Perhaps I'm equating DnD wizards too much with the ones in Harry Potter verse. Those guys could still wreck some serious damage, even in modern world. But then again, DnD magic is on all together another level than the one in HP verse.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

I'm guessing there's a lot of magic we aren't seeing. Surely there must be protective spells... if they can protect from magical energies, surely they can come up with something that protects from bullets as well? But then again, it is true that, as you mentioned, wizards are a little old fashioned and a good portion of them looks down on muggles. Adaptation would probably take long time and by the time they came up with something, it might be too late already.

 

Perhaps I'm equating DnD wizards too much with the ones in Harry Potter verse. Those guys could still wreck some serious damage, even in modern world. But then again, DnD magic is on all together another level than the one in HP verse.

 

HP magic is pretty low-powered compared to other universes. I'd put a Mage like Morrigan against an HP wizard anyday. As you say, a DnD mage would roflstomp an army of HP wizards.

[KaiserShep]

Pragmatists like me who prefer an inerrancy to reality would find it satisfying. 

 

That's like asking to have Ron Weasley's Ford Anglia and Hagrid's Royal Enfield Bullet be replaced by helicopters. It defeats the entire purpose for the setting. The Hogwart's Express could have been diesel, but they decided to go with a train from a bygone era as a normal mode of transportation. The appeal in Harry Potter is exactly that it escapes reality as much as it can.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

That's like asking to have Ron Weasley's Ford Anglia and Hagrid's Royal Enfield Bullet be replaced by helicopters. It defeats the entire purpose for the setting. The Hogwart's Express could have been diesel, but they decided to go with a train from a bygone era as a normal mode of transportation. The appeal in Harry Potter is exactly that it escapes reality as much as it can.

 

It's a logic problem I'm talking about. You missed the point, but it's my fault since I didn't make it clear enough to begin with.

 

So much of the problems could have been solved if Harry and Hermione used their intelligence and experience and realized that the best way to fight Voldemort was with muggle weapons (I'd recommend a sniper/recondo team with an MLRS strike). The one thing for sure that muggles are far better at than the wizards can ever hope to be is killing. Voldy isn't going to see a sniper team. He isn't going to see or hear the rocket from the MLRS fired from 100 klicks off.

[SwobyJ]

I'm pretty sure Swoby just made up half the stuff he just said.

 

As a... sigh... longtime reader of the series (well my teens), I'll just have to say I'm not.

 

It's not like muggles can't do anything. It's the question of whether they should help in the war effort. They could - as meat shields ready to die by the thousands or millions. They wouldn't be capable in wizarding combat nor would they have any sort of element of surprise while their leadership is all being mind controlled by Death Eaters etc etc.