What I like about Cole is that I think he's basically in the same place that Justice was when he got ripped out of the fade. He's being corrupted by his emotions and he doesn't know how to deal with them in a healthy way. The difference is that he's not too proud to accept help or admit that there's something wrong. Justice would have never admitted he was slipping, even if you could read the fear in him when Anders questioned him about what the difference between a demon and a spirit was, or if he could become a demon. Especially when Justice denied he had any desires, the fear and denial in his response was palpable. Due to his nature, I don't think we could have ever reached Justice. Cole is impressionable and accepting of suggestion, like when Rhys tells him that it's wrong to kill and he later resists killing even when someone is again begging him to do it. If Cole is in the party, I think we'll get to explore the nature of demons and spirits in a way we've never gotten the chance to do before. That's why Cole is the most interesting concept so far, to me.
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The inquisitor is the third rogue, you can only be a rogue. They took away class options to put race options in. 
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abominations are twisted ideas roaming the real world. skewed vision on mortal grayness, no sense of remorse or compassion which leads to misunderstanding, confusion and, in the end, corruption of the original idea. i respect spirits and mortals alike, but those two should not mix. Cole is perfect example. so yeah, as much as i like to understand Fade and spirits better - i'd kill an abomination on spot.if he's something else - he's still dangerous murderer who has no ability to differentiate between good and evil, therefore should be put down.
I don't think the actual evidence supports this, though. Cole listens to Rhys when he tells him murder is wrong and resists, even when someone again begs him for death. He actively tries to help people he considers friends, even at his own personal risk. Cole never does anything outright malevolent, really. Most of our companions have done worse than Cole has and they were all "mortals".
I see even less evidence in Wynne's binding with a spirit. Nothing bad ever came of it for her.
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Well, abomination just means possessed mage, nothing more. Doesn't matter if they are benevolent or malevolent. Wynne was an abomination. Uldred was an abomination. Anders was an abomination etc.
As for Cole, he is definitely not an abomination, as what seems clear is that he is pure spirit.
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Well, abomination just means possessed mage, nothing more. Doesn't matter if they are benevolent or malevolent. Wynne was an abomination. Uldred was an abomination. Anders was an abomination etc.
As for Cole, he is definitely not an abomination, as what seems clear is that he is pure spirit.
Actually, the definition for an abomination is "a mage possessed by a demon" so technically Wynne was no more an abomination than Evangeline is.
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Actually, the definition for an abomination is "a mage possessed by a demon" so technically Wynne was no more an abomination than Evangeline is.
She literally said in Asunder, I AM AN ABOMINATION. I can find you the quote if you like.
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I'm hoping DHMG will be an advisor like Scribe Girl and (probably) Cullen, so we can get someone from Asunder as a mage and still have a spot left for a dwarven female. 
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She literally said in Asunder, I AM AN ABOMINATION. I can find you the quote if you like.
Doesn't mean she is one, just she thinks she's one. You can talk her out of that line of thinking in Origins.
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The word "abomination" is basically just a Andrastrian pejorative term. I don't think anyone we've seen has much of an understanding of the process. Maybe we'd get more clarity on the issue in Rivain, but right now I don't think the definition means much due to the overall lack of knowledge related to the process.
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Doesn't mean she is one, just she thinks she's one. You can talk her out of that line of thinking in Origins.
Well the Wiki agrees with me, so there. 
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Well the Wiki agrees with me, so there.
Funny you mention that, considering the first line in the wiki is:
An abomination is a creature created when a demon possesses a living being with magical abilities.[1][2][3][4][5][6] 
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And later it says....
"In the broadest sense of the term, "abomination" is sometimes used to refer to the demonic possession of mage corpses[1] and the rare cases of bonds between mages and benevolent spirits.[7]"
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It's pretty unclear if Cole ever possessed the real Cole or if he's just in his own form, though. He might be just a spirit or shade and not an abomination in any way. The fact that he was conceptualized as a rogue and not a mage makes me think he probably isn't inhabiting the real Cole's body. He doesn't seem to have access to mage abilities.
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It's pretty unclear if Cole ever possessed the real Cole or if he's just in his own form, though. He might be just a spirit or shade and not an abomination in any way. The fact that he was conceptualized as a rogue and not a mage makes me think he probably isn't inhabiting the real Cole's body. He doesn't seem to have access to mage abilities.
Indeed. Although, his invisibility power is based off blood magic, so I do think he does have some more magical powers. Also, killing allowed him to stay grounded within the mortal realm.
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At this point abomination just seems like a catch all term for "Pfft... Damned if I know"
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Indeed. Although, his invisibility power is based off blood magic, so I do think he does have some more magical powers. Also, killing allowed him to stay grounded within the mortal realm.
How much access to magic spirits/demons naturally have seems a bit confusing. Supposedly, humans learned blood magic from demons. Justice didn't seem to have access to magic, but was it because he was in a warrior? He didn't fight with magic in the fade, either, though. The whole situation is a bit confusing. lol
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How much access to magic spirits/demons naturally have seems a bit confusing. Supposedly, humans learned blood magic from demons. Justice didn't seem to have access to magic, but was it because he was in a warrior? He didn't fight with magic in the fade, either, though. The whole situation is a bit confusing. lol
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A female Qunari would be neat. Perhaps one of the Qun in a position that would allow her to take up arms (such as Tallis). She would offer an interesting perspective on the events of the game, and would nicely contrast the personalities of the other rogues (Varric and Sera) and the other Qunari (Iron Bull). It would also make sense that they haven't shown her yet, as they seem to be pretty secretive when it comes to showing female Qunari at the moment.
But as long as it's not Cole, I'll be happy. He just doesn't interest me at all.
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A female Qunari would be neat. Perhaps one of the Qun in a position that would allow her to take up arms (such as Tallis). She would offer an interesting perspective on the events of the game, and would nicely contrast the personalities of the other rogues (Varric and Sera) and the other Qunari (Iron Bull). It would also make sense that they haven't shown her yet, as they seem to be pretty secretive when it comes to showing female Qunari at the moment.
But as long as it's not Cole, I'll be happy. He just doesn't interest me at all.
How would that work though? The only female Qunari who can fight are the Ben-Hassorath and their role doesn't have them leaving Par Vollen.
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How would that work though? The only female Qunari who can fight are the Ben-Hassorath and their role doesn't have them leaving Par Vollen.
That's for the writers to decide. I'm just commenting on how I think it would be neat.
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I've been posting a lot about the foodquisition tonight, but Cole would make so much sense as "deceptive wax fruit". Like, nobody else fits it anywhere close to as well. lol
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Cole listens to Rhys when he tells him murder is wrong and resists, even when someone again begs him for death. He actively tries to help people he considers friends, even at his own personal risk. Cole never does anything outright malevolent, really. Most of our companions have done worse than Cole has and they were all "mortals".
it's not about doing wrong or right. it's about not telling the difference. he wouldn't know that killing is bad if Rhys didn't slap him in the wrist. then again it may be evidence of Cole being child with undeveloped sense of morality* or that he's an abomination.
i don't care about Cole much, i just dislike abominations (he might be one or not, i like the idea that he is). giving mages bad fame, that lot. if he's a follower, in one of PTs my PC is going to be his BFF.
* yeah, society dogma but that's not the point
