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[efd731]

So in a recent interview with PCgamer Mike Laidlaw said that they've become trapped by the word/desire for romances. And apparently inquisition will have friendship relations with equal depth, without the romantic overtones. I for one am quite pleased.

[leadintea]

Me too. Speaking as a gay male, I understand that a lot of LGBT folk like the romances because it's content rarely found in other games, but a lot of them on this board (as well as others, of course) go crazy over virtual sex that it's mind boggling. Personally, I really hope that Bioware's next IP does away with all romantic content and actually uses those resources for better things.

[Andraste_Reborn]

Link?

[Darth Death]

I really don't like the word 'Bromance', it's an insinuating term. 

[TKavatar]

I really don't like the word 'Bromance', it's an insinuating term.

Why?

[phantomrachie]

Bioware has done some of this already. I felt like I became bffs with Morrigan and Aveline in DA and Garrius in ME. I would like more though, I feel I miss out on content sometimes because I don't romance certain characters.

 

Take Jack for example; you miss out on a huge part of her personality if you don't romance her and she is not a romance option for femshep so if you never play as broshep then you'd never even know about her past love.

 

I don't mind choices blocking you from certain content but not discovering a companions whole personality just because you play as a female protagonist is really annoying.

[Darth Death]

Why?

 

I don't doubt the serenity of your curiosity, but years here primed me to know how things operated in these situations (usually perniciously). I'm opting for simplicity & also little explanation. In other words, I can't say...   

[efd731]

I don't doubt the serenity of your curiosity, but years here primed me to know how things operated in these situations (usually perniciously). I'm opting for simplicity & also little explanation. In other words, I can't say...

you are just obfuscating.
Bromance means a "friend" relationship with the emotional depth of a regular relationship. How is that bad?

[Darth Death]

you are just obfuscating.
Bromance means a "friend" relationship with the emotional depth of a regular relationship. How is that bad?

How about you stop trying to provoke a debate? All I ask from you is to respect my point of view... That's all.  

[Akrabra]

Link?

http://www.pcgamer.c...the-open-world/

 

Here is a link, unless you found it already.

[efd731]

How about you stop trying to provoke a debate? All I ask from you is to respect my point of view... That's all.

...you don't have a point of view, you just said bromance is insinuating....not what it's insinuating or if you view it as negative.
Edit: you are playing "click bait" on the forums.

[thedancingdruid]

OP, the interview in question is with Mark Darrah not Mike Laidlaw...

 

Because "Bromance" oh, I don't know, signifies "male", Darrah's interview was filled with "he's" and "his's"...so, once again, the female gamer is put on the back burner.

[efd731]

Because "Bromance" oh, I don't know, signifies "male", Darrah's interview was filled with "he's" and "his's"...so, once again, the female gamer is put on the back burner.

hadn't thought if that. But honestly, is it such a huge deal that he forgot to use impersonal nouns? You aren't being put on the back burner simply because he referred to a male warden in a single interview.
Edit: balls, thanks for the clarification

[Akrabra]

Well during the interview he clearly refers to both the Warden and Hawke as he, so maybe its just picking something that is right from his point of view.

[thedancingdruid]

@Akrabra, you're probably right, just a pet peeve of mine.

 

It just seems we female gamers take one step forward with the supposed intentional "ambiguous" game cover art then one backward with this interview and the "gameplay" trailer clearly showing a male inquisitor, thus, we never seem to get anywhere.

 

On topic, I like the idea of deeper friendships.  Morrigan's was one of my favorites in Origins,

 

I believe it took a lot for her to admit seeing the Warden as a "friend, perhaps even a sister?" with or without knowledge of Aimo and Gaider's comic and its interpretation of the Dark Ritual, which clearly refers to the Warden as female.

 

So, I guess I will take small comfort in that Morrigan didn't refer to my Warden as a "brother".

[Akrabra]

Yeah i get you, and i completely agree. It took 2 games before Mass Effect finally acknowledged the importance of female shepard and i am hoping they put out more info on the female lead here. If they have any sense, a trailer aswell. 

 

The best friendship out of Bioware games to me is Garrus, he is more than a brother, more than a friend, you are nothing without him. Even if you are romanticially involved or just pals there is "No Shepard without Vakarian". I love that line, because its not gender specific it just IS! 

[Grieving Natashina]

 

@Akrabra, you're probably right, just a pet peeve of mine.

 

It just seems we female gamers take one step forward with the supposed intentional "ambiguous" game cover art then one backward with this interview and the "gameplay" trailer clearly showing a male inquisitor, thus, we never seem to get anywhere.

 

On topic, I like the idea of deeper friendships.  Morrigan's was one of my favorites in Origins,

 

I believe it took a lot for her to admit seeing the Warden as a "friend, perhaps even a sister?" with or without knowledge of Aimo and Gaider's comic and its interpretation of the Dark Ritual, which clearly refers to the Warden as female.

 

So, I guess I will take small comfort in that Morrigan didn't refer to my Warden as a "brother".

 

 

If it makes you feel any better, the devs have said that there will be an Inquisition trailer featuring a female.  This isn't the only trailer we're going to get.  As far as the interview goes, I wouldn't take it too personally.  Defaulting to "he" is pretty common and I'm sure that no harm was meant by that.

 

Going back to the topic, like you I really enjoyed the friendship arc with Morrigan.  It's one of the reasons why I never tried to romance her as a male Warden; the friendship my lady Warden has with her is pretty meaningful.. 

[thedancingdruid]

@Akrabra Oh, I am most assuredly a Garrus girl, it's so hard not dancing the night away with him, though knowing Shepard's fate, I usually now prefer him with Tali, at least he has a chance, so friendship it is with him, I think.

 

@Natashina, actually defaulting to "he", as I am old enough, was practiced in my English classes, but not my sons', and the "genderizing" is pervasive in Bioware games, take the dwarven noble, i.e, multiple npc's refer to Endrin having three sons, as does Sebastian's the "heir, the spare and I was left out in the cold" of Dragon Age 2. Note also the possible Warden endings Mark refers to...no mention of the "queen" ruling with Alistair scenario despite the Dark Ritual comic.

 

But, I am in full favor of Bioware still, as they are one of the very few companies that actually let the player choose the gender.

 

In the end, I suppose, I actually agree with Mark's looking forward friendship-leaning companions and not romances as a result.

[Akrabra]

I totally agree on Morrigan aswell, i really felt a kinship with her, both as male and female and i like that they adressed it different from gender. Though i prefer to be her sister. I hope that we can establish connections in DA:I that goes as deep as Morrigan and Garrus.

[thedancingdruid]

@Akrabra Well, with Weekes in the mix, judging by his novel, there is definite hope for that I think.

[MKDAWUSS]

I'm cool with well developed Friendzones.

[Star fury]

Care to give us an exact quote with a link, OP?

[ReallyRue]

If friendships get more attention then that sounds excellent. My favourite relationship of both games so far has been the one between Hawke and his/her sibling, and I'd love to have something like that between the Inquisitor and a companion. 

[Jaulen]

Care to give us an exact quote with a link, OP?

 

 

http://www.pcgamer.c...e-open-world/2/

 

Mark Darrah: Friendship I think is … I think we’ve become trapped by that, the word romance. I think friendship is … I actually regret that in Dragon Age 2 we didn’t have essentially that kind of bromance with Varric. He’s not a romance, but he’s, you can hang out with him and be your bud and have that same kind of depth. Some of our, what we would traditionally call romances in Dragon Age: Inquisition are falling more into that camp where they’re not … they’re more in that friendship area.

[Lebanese Dude]

Me too. Speaking as a gay male, I understand that a lot of LGBT folk like the romances because it's content rarely found in other games, but a lot of them on this board (as well as others, of course) go crazy over virtual sex that it's mind boggling. Personally, I really hope that Bioware's next IP does away with all romantic content and actually uses those resources for better things.

 

Well speaking as another gay male, it's less about being able to romance somebody and more about being able to romance somebody while simultaneously kicking major ass. If you say mental sexual gratification is irrelevant, you are SORELY mistaken. It doesn't matter if the relationship isn't "real". It's still nice to experience it in a roleplaying game.

 

BioWare's strength is companion relationships and denying romantic potential can only serve as a DETRIMENT to companionship. It's nice being able to be friends with everyone. It's not nice at all to not be able to take it to the next level. You're actually requesting to LIMIT relationships. That's very short-sighted.

 

You speak as if the resources aren't going to be spent on character development anyway. If you don't think romance is a realistic part of that, I'm sorry to say that you know nothing about love, virtually or otherwise. Romance can and very often develops from friendship. Why do you want to take that away?

 

In fact, on my canon playthough, I intend to be friendly with everyone. I'd by lying if I said one of those companions won't intrigue me to the point of romance. You'd be lying too, unless you completely dislike  everyone's personality or not into relationships. In that case, you're not the target audience of the romantic plot anyway.