Pirates are monsters, though.
Because they've been romanticized over the centuries and turned into characters in Disney movies, we sometimes forget that pirates are people who murder other people and take their stuff.
As opposed to most video game protagonists, who also murder/kill people and take their stuff... 
But on topic, Leliana's return to being a spy intrigues me, she was pretty ruthless in Leliana's Song and I wonder how much of that side of her we might see this time around.
Oops, my internet must've failed me. Sorry. I think I said something about Cassandra and Leliana romancing each other...Is there something you wanted to talk about?
As long as Gaider does not touch her I'm fine. Nothing against Gaider but after what he did to Isabela, I rather he stay away from Sheryl's characters.
Yeah this is how I feel. It's not that I only think Sheryl can do it I just feel like that would be the "safest" route... I don't trust Gaider after the comics with characters that are not his own. Besides half the reason I love Leliana is because of Corinne XD.
P.S I can't believe Sheryl posted in my thread and I missed it because I was trying to woo a girl yesterday. What is happening to me.... 
Everytime I read "Leliana is a spy" I can't help but picture her creating her own version of MI6 as part of the Inquisition.
now we just need the inquisitor to be james bond and we are up for a whole bunch of spy highjinks
I wonder if she was hardened in DAO would it effect how she acts in DAI?
I just hope her and Morrigan meet up.
A conversation about Morrigan's new dress needs to happen.
Leliana's doesn't quite have the same effect on me as Cassandra's.
I would argue about Alix Wilton Regan's voice and Corinne Kempa's voice
Pirates are monsters, though.
Because they've been romanticized over the centuries and turned into characters in Disney movies, we sometimes forget that pirates are people who murder other people and take their stuff.
I was cool with Isabela
Spoilerfor that reason. Given that she is a pirate, I don't see it as necessarily being out of character.
There are pirates and corsairs and filibusters. Jean Bart was really noble and fought only against warships and with a great success against Royal Fleet. Francis Drake is another good example of a pirate.
Isabela is like a female captain Blood(person from my avatar). It's only good when videogames take inspiration from literature.
"Pirates are monsters" seems a tad mundane to say considering the time and enviroment hey were usually from. It wasn't a world like the one today.
Not saying that makes it right, but they were a element of their time, just as Vikings raiding British monestaries.
I wonder if she was hardened in DAO would it effect how she acts in DAI?
I imagine that an unhardened Leliana in DA:O will be more optimistic if there's a difference.
The pirate convo is a bit off topic but I don't agree that they were monsters. I agree with Knight of Dane that they were a product of their time, and tbh if you wanted to live a life of personal freedoms, the only way to really do that was to be a criminal if you weren't born into wealth. I imagine I would have ran off to piracy if I was born in a time where all I had to looked forward to in life was being subservient to a man. Eff that.
My problem with how she was illustrated in the comic is how weak she was portrayed, and that was both due to Gaider and the artists involved. But whatever really the only talk about Isabela that should be in here is about what would happen if Leliana and her managed to cross paths a 3rd time.
"Pirates are monsters" seems a tad mundane to say considering the time and enviroment hey were usually from. It wasn't a world like the one today.
Not saying that makes it right, but they were a element of their time, just as Vikings raiding British monestaries.
Nobody would want to (role) play as a real life pirate and then people would whine that they want escapism.
So, speaking of pirates, Leliana would look good in a pirate hat, dat's relevant.
Also, Sheryl asked for moar shoe talk, u gais have disappointed her.
But whatever really the only talk about Isabela that should be in here is about what would happen if Leliana and her managed to cross paths a 3rd time.
Reunion at the new and improved Orlesian Pearl (or whatever fancy brothel name they come up with).
So, speaking of pirates, Leliana would look good in a pirate hat, dat's relevant.
Also, Sheryl asked for moar shoe talk, u gais have disappointed her.
Reunion at the new and improved Orlesian Pearl (or whatever fancy brothel name they come up with).
Hopefully we'll get to see Leliana in proper party wear this time, with real Orlesian shoes to make up for MoTA and her spy armor boots.
That would be amusing, even more so if the inquisitor accidentally ran into Leliana at a brothel. I could see that working for unromanced Leliana possibly 
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Oh and Nymphe de nuit is what I would call an Orlesian brothel
Also, Sheryl asked for moar shoe talk, u gais have disappointed her.
Well I did have one thought: Is it possible the armoured boots are so big because she's wearing her fancy shoes underneath? Seems like a respectful compromise for an Orlesian.
That would be amusing, even more so if the inquisitor accidentally ran into Leliana at a brothel. I could see that working for unromanced Leliana possibly
Girl's gotta do research for science... and entertainment.
Oh and Nymphe de nuit is what I would call an Orlesian brothel
Well I did have one thought: Is it possible the armoured boots are so big because she's wearing her fancy shoes underneath? Seems like a respectful compromise for an Orlesian.
Possibly, dem shoes need protection.
"Pirates are monsters" seems a tad mundane to say considering the time and enviroment hey were usually from. It wasn't a world like the one today.
Not saying that makes it right, but they were a element of their time, just as Vikings raiding British monestaries.
The historical and cultural context of monstrous acts makes them no less monstrous.
Romans throwing Christians to wild beasts appear to be an extension of earlier Roman religious rituals where armed men battled beasts. When the armed Romans killed the beasts, it showed how they were favored or blessed. When unarmed non-Romans were torn apart, it showed how Romans were better than the non-Romans.
Over time, these religious rituals became larger and more elaborate, and the religious aspect became mostly trappings.
But why should that background information change the way I view someone tossing a member of a religious minority into a pit of wild boars so they can be gored to death before a cheering crowd?
Moreover, why should that change the way I view someone in Thedas doing the same? They're not the product of synoptic reality. If you want to show me someone performing bloodsport as an extension of archaic religious rites in Thedas, then you need to provide that context, and even then I'm less likely to think it's not monstrous and more likely to think it's a comment on how ritualistic behaviors can lose all meaning and warp in unusual ways.
But that's neither here nor there in regard's to Isabela. I don't need real world historical context or Thedas specific social commentary; I have ample literary context for pirates and I have Isabela's explanation for why she became a pirate. Isabela's desire for freedom from authority and enjoyment of the more thrilling aspects of life fit well into the tradition of pirates as scallywags and daring rogues.
Well I did have one thought: Is it possible the armoured boots are so big because she's wearing her fancy shoes underneath? Seems like a respectful compromise for an Orlesian.
Not so much boots as hardcore slipper protection?
who the hell wants to wear heels inside a boot?! i mean they are already a pain to walk in (i am a guy btw), why the hell would you make it even more difficult?
How about adding some dangling gold charms shaped like puppies to liven them up? Like on the gift shoes from DA:O
Nobody would want to (role) play as a real life pirate and then people would whine that they want escapism.
I could only imagine peoples' reaction if Gaider had written pre-DA2 Isabela to be like L'Olonnais.
Not so much boots as hardcore slipper protection?
Qunari carry their swords outside battle; Orlesians wear their fancy shoes into battle, but they still need protection, even if it means nobody sees them. They aren't whole without them.
She's in a long-term, monogamous relationship with my Warden.
I mean, I've apparently abandoned her in a time of political and spiritual upheaval, leaving her once again searching for companionship and direction in a hostile world, but my Warden will totally return to set things right and punish anyone who attempts to take advantage of Leliana's possibly vulnerable state.
She was an awesome romance, and there's no 'will she even be interested in a member of my gender.'
A romantic, playful, slightly crazy woman who enthusiastically likes other women. Yeah, if she were announced as an LI, I'd squeal.
And then complain; she's not on the market! She totally has a girlfriend already.
Heh. Player appeal competing with player jealousy. I love it on an intellectual level: 'she loves me, but I'm not me, I'm someone else now, so she's cheating on me with me!'
Heehee. I hope Bioware dares to try that one day: have a love interest from a previous game be a love interest for a different player character in a sequel in which the first PC has gone missing. The variances between 'has had a previous romance' and 'never been romanced before' might make the writing too budget-consuming to do, but I think you could get some interesting things in such a context. Imagine if, when romanced by the first PC, her second romance is more of a manipulative/exploitative misdirection to get the new PC to help her find the old PC? So she would leave you in the end, possibly regretfully and with an apology, to go back to the original LI. Or that could be her plan, but she finds herself being torn between them because 'something is familiar' and she finds herself confused.
Good, no?
Well, I for one am not interested in cheating on myself.
Well, I for one am not interested in cheating on myself.
I normally would have a problem with it, but honestly i love Leliana so much that i'd be willing to romance her again if it was an option
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