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[Maria Caliban]

The nightingale has been associated with death for a couple millennia now. The same way butterflies are associated with the soul/psyche and swans with beauty.

[Deviija]

I think Nightingale suits Leliana perfectly.  It's a songbird, she's a bard.  It's poetic symbolism draws connections between love and loss, life and death.  Leliana has loved, lost, lived, and killed.  She is death and she is light, and she croons her melodies into the night with voice or whistling blade.  

[Han Shot First]

I think the 'Sister Nightingale' nom de guerre is a reference to Leliana's background as a bard.

 

 

 

Common Nightingales are so named because they frequently sing at night as well as during the day. The name has been used for more than 1,000 years, being highly recognisable even in its Anglo-Saxon form – 'nightingale'. It means 'night songstress'.

 

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The Common Nightingale is an important symbol for poets from a variety of ages, and has taken on a number of symbolic connotations. Homer evokes the Nightingale in the Odyssey, suggesting the myth of Philomela and Procne (one of whom, depending on the myth's version, is turned into a nightingale. This myth is the focus of Sophocles' tragedy, Tereus, of which only fragments remain. Ovid, too, in his Metamorphoses, includes the most popular version of this myth, imitated and altered by later poets, including Chrétien de Troyes, Geoffrey Chaucer, John Gower, and George Gascoigne. T.S. Eliot's "The Waste Land" also evokes the Common Nightingale's song (and the myth of Philomela and Procne). Because of the violence associated with the myth, the nightingale's song was long interpreted as a lament.

 

The Common Nightingale has also been used as a symbol of poets or their poetry. Poets chose the nightingale as a symbol because of its creative and seemingly spontaneous song. Aristophanes's Birds and Callimachus both evoke the bird's song as a form of poetry. Virgil compares the mourning of Orpheus to the “lament of the nightingale”.

 

In Sonnet 102 Shakespeare compares his love poetry to the song of the Common Nightingale (Philomel):

 

"Our love was new, and then but in the spring,
When I was wont to greet it with my lays;
As Philomel in summer's front doth sing,
And stops his pipe in growth of riper days:"

 

During the Romantic era the bird's symbolism changed once more: poets viewed the nightingale not only as a poet in his own right, but as “master of a superior art that could inspire the human poet”.  For some romantic poets, the nightingale even began to take on qualities of the muse. Coleridge and Wordsworth saw the nightingale more as an instance of natural poetic creation: the nightingale became a voice of nature. John Keats' "Ode to a Nightingale" pictures the nightingale as an idealized poet who has achieved the poetry that Keats longs to write. Invoking a similar conception of the nightingale, Shelley wrote in his “A Defense of Poetry":

 

"A poet is a nightingale who sits in darkness and sings to cheer its own solitude with sweet sounds; his auditors are as men entranced by the melody of an unseen musician, who feel that they are moved and softened, yet know not whence or why.”

 

Common Nightingale - Cultural Depictions

[Maria Caliban]

I thought it was the opposite. A symbol of immortality.

Okay, so Philomela is escorted by her sister's husband, Theres, and he rapes her and then cuts out her tongue so she can't tell anyone of his crime. Philomela weaves a tapestry that shows what happened and sends it to her sister. Her sister, Procne, murders her son, boils him, and serves him to Theres.

After Theres eats their son, Procne tells him what she did, at which point, he tries to murder the two sisters and the gods turn them into birds.

So the nightengale becomes associated with things like rape, mutilation, and getting revenge by feeding your child to your husband. The story is a tragedy and the nightingale's song is associated with loss, sadness, and mourning.

[Alan Rickman]

When I think of Leliana, I think cannibalism and sexual assault.

 

EDIT: That sounds potentially much worse than intended.

[Maria Caliban]

I thought Philomela was rescued by the gods by turning into a nightingale, thus escaping death from her rapists.

Yes, Thesus rapes her and cuts out her tongue. After her sister feeds him their son, he tries to murder the two sisters and the gods transform the sisters, which saves them.

But, you know, she still suffers horribly, and the Greeks knew that being turned into a bird to escape a man trying to kill you isn't actually just, fair, or a happy ending.

Yes, crows and vultures are also associated with death.

[MissDragon]

"How pious of you to shave your pubic hair into the Sword of Mercy, Your Perfection."


I like Leliana's boobies. I like them nice and safe, not slashed open or impaled. I'm considerate that way.

*sends Leliana ahead to scout for invisible werewolves*

 

How could you do such a thing to Leliana, sending her into danger like that. Those invisible werewolves bite too you know. Screeeeeech....

[Maria Caliban]

She's remarkably durable if statted and equipped well. The werewolf chew toy that lasts and lasts and lasts!

[MissDragon]

She's remarkably durable if statted and equipped well. The werewolf chew toy that lasts and lasts and lasts!

 LOL

[Basement Cat]

She's remarkably durable if statted and equipped well. The werewolf chew toy that lasts and lasts and lasts!

She just keeps going and going and going!

[TheJediSaint]

I always used Alistair to bait the mobs.  I must have been doing it wrong.

[jlb524]

I always used Alistair to bait the mobs.  I must have been doing it wrong.

 

It's always my Warden.

 

idkwhy

 

I just played through that part with a CE Warden yesterday.

 

She got chewed up.

 

I think I had Leliana stun it somehow, saving the Warden's ass.

[Eveangaline]

Am I bad for wanting to see what happens if you don't have a rogue to unlock doors and save her for that redcliff part? I like Leliana but I do so love seeing how quests can go horribly horribly wrong, and I wonder if she'd show up at the keep ready to kill me.

[Han Shot First]

Am I bad for wanting to see what happens if you don't have a rogue to unlock doors and save her for that redcliff part? I like Leliana but I do so love seeing how quests can go horribly horribly wrong, and I wonder if she'd show up at the keep ready to kill me.

 

She might end up dying. I believe one of the devs confirmed somewhere that is possible to finish the game with nearly all of your followers dead.

[Basement Cat]

She might end up dying. I believe one of the devs confirmed somewhere that is possible to finish the game with nearly all of your followers dead.

Did they say dead? I thought some would just pack up and leave if you alienated them. Isn't there supposed to be a bad ending where the demons win, too?

[Maria Caliban]

I always used Alistair to bait the mobs.  I must have been doing it wrong.

You had Alistiar in your team. You were doing it wrong.

[Basement Cat]

You had Alistiar in your team. You were doing it wrong.

[CrimsonN7]

You had Alistiar in your team. You were doing it wrong.

This might be one of my favourite posts of the week!

[TheKomandorShepard]

She might end up dying. I believe one of the devs confirmed somewhere that is possible to finish the game with nearly all of your followers dead.

They said that you can end with only 1 companion left in the end but they said it would be very hard as you would need act like schizophrenic to alienate them all in 1 pt.So i guess 1 companion will be with us no matter what my bet is on cassandra.

 

About advisors they said that you can't kick them at the beginning or at least it wouldn't be wise (so i guess answer is no for the the beginning) but answer if they can kick them later was maybe so everything possible.

[Xilizhra]

You had Alistiar in your team. You were doing it wrong.

Hey, the group only has one natural tank. Two if you count Shale, but she's not really that good at it.