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[jtav]

Enjoy has a number of meanings. The torture scene evokes intense emotions. Viewers seek that out because it provides catharsis. I want to see Leliana tortured for the same reason I want to see Hamlet die.

[Zjarcal]

I dont recall my Warden and Alistair having injures in Fort Drakkon
Did it make the situation less horrible? No

 

Fort Drakon wasn't horrible, it was comical.

[Basement Cat]

Enjoy has a number of meanings. The torture scene evokes intense emotions. Viewers seek that out because it provides catharsis. I want to see Leliana tortured for the same reason I want to see Hamlet die.

I'm out of likes, but I agree. Romeo and Juliette too would not be nearly as effective with a happy ending.

[Xilizhra]

Enjoy has a number of meanings. The torture scene evokes intense emotions. Viewers seek that out because it provides catharsis. I want to see Leliana tortured for the same reason I want to see Hamlet die.

I don't personally get catharsis, at least not by seeing anyone sympathetic suffering. At least, not to the degree of ever enjoying anything with a tragic ending.

[Chari]

We get it: you don't approve. It's just a video game! So can you please stop accusing everyone of being the Antichrist? That'd be great.

And if you are so upset by violence, why would you want to play this game? The protagonist is going to kill a bajillion things in this game, including people who have families. Why would you want to play a game like that? Don't you care that you will be depriving children of their parents?

I am not upset by violence. I am violent myself
I am upset that people enjoy and demand seeing other people suffer.
Life is cruel, life is violent. But people and animals have to be this way to survive, they have no other choice
Yet survival does not demand cruelty. One can kill for selfdefense, steal for food and lie to live another day
Cruel people though dont just do that. They kick a stray dog, rob the poor and take advantage of disabled.
Or, another type of cruelty - indifference - when people see suffering and dont do anything to stop it because they either dont care or enjoy it. This coldhearted pragmatism when a child cuts a fly's wings to see if it can fly without them
It is not just about the game. This is an attitude which touches both real and fictional worlds

[jtav]

You should see some of my DAO playthroughs. Connor killed. Anvil kept. I'm crafting the playthrough I want to use for import right now. It's fairly happy, but there are some evil choices made for character and metagame reasons. This doesn't mean I'm a sadist--it means I want Thedas to be a certain way.

 

And yes, Leliana romance is probably included.

[Chari]

No, she is not. Maria would be one of the last persons on the bsn that would gain a kick out of Leliana tortured.

She said she would. A diffirent type of enjoyment but enjoyment nevertheless

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

Fort Drakon wasn't horrible, it was comical.

 

Especially with certain mods installed. 

 

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[Milan92]

Pragmatism has nothing to do with cutting off the wings of a fly. Thats just someone beign sadistic.

Both are not related at all.

[Lenimph]

I'm really starting to expect that she will be nude or barely clothed because what the hell else "too spoilery" 

 

A tattoo of the warden?

[The Elder King]

She said she would. A diffirent type of enjoyment but enjoyment nevertheless

You don't enjoy tragic stories?

[Basement Cat]

Pragmatism has nothing to do with cutting of the wings of a fly. Thats just someone beign sadistic.

Both are not related at all.

And how it relates to a video game is a mystery.

[The Elder King]

I'm really starting to expect that she will be nude or barely clothed because what the hell else "too spoilery" 
 
A tattoo of the warden?

I don't see how being half-naked would count as story spoilers though.

[wolfhowwl]

I'm really starting to expect that she will be nude or barely clothed because what the hell else "too spoilery" 
 
A tattoo of the warden?

Red lyrium "infection?"

She is chained to a giant crystal of it.

[Basement Cat]

I'm really starting to expect that she will be nude or barely clothed because what the hell else "too spoilery" 

 

A tattoo of the warden?

That would be neat, but I don't think so. There was some speculation about her being infused with red lyrium/infected with something.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Pragmatism is like when a commanding officer has to leave a squad behind to die because they would lose more men than they would save. 

[jlb524]

I'm really starting to expect that she will be nude or barely clothed because what the hell else "too spoilery" 

 

A tattoo of the warden?

 

The Warden's name.

 

So it says, 'Warden'.

[AresKeith]

I am not upset by violence. I am violent myself
I am upset that people enjoy and demand seeing other people suffer.
Life is cruel, life is violent. But people and animals have to be this way to survive, they have no other choice
Yet survival does not demand cruelty. One can kill for selfdefense, steal for food and lie to live another day
Cruel people though dont just do that. They kick a stray dog, rob the poor and take advantage of disabled.
Or, another type of cruelty - indifference - when people see suffering and dont do anything to stop it because they either dont care or enjoy it. This coldhearted pragmatism when a child cuts a fly's wings to see if it can fly without them
It is not just about the game. This is an attitude which both real and fictional worlds

 

But no one is asking to see the torture itself, people are asking to see the visual representation of it small things like bruises or cuts

[Chari]

Pragmatism has nothing to do with cutting of the wings of a fly. Thats just someone beign sadistic.

Both are not related at all.

Pretty pragmatical
Curiosity drives a kid to try diffirent experiments on the world. Like burning ants with a lens
It is not because a kid is evil. The kid is just... curious. Yet still cruel

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

I'm really starting to expect that she will be nude or barely clothed because what the hell else "too spoilery" 

 

A tattoo of the warden?

 

Oooh, maybe a griffin butt tattoo. Or a talking mabari.

[Basement Cat]

Oooh, maybe a griffin butt tattoo. 

Now I'm picturing she has a tattoo that says 'Marjolaine' that's been crossed out. Thanks. 

[Milan92]

The Warden's name.

So it says, 'Warden'.

On a place only the warden has the privilege to see :3

[Chari]

You don't enjoy tragic stories?

Not those which have characters humiliated
A warrior dying to save a village is tragic and beautiful
A smith dying in a pit, starving to death and laughed at by other people is sickening

[Xilizhra]

Especially with certain mods installed. 

 

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The mods didn't harm that nearly as much as they did Return to Ostagar...