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[Milan92]

The men leave their underwear on and the women don't.

Gotta protect the merchandise.

...sorry, I just couldnt resist.

[Chari]

Meh, I was four. Careful with your implications there, sweetheart, I may take that as a personal attack. I actually rescue lizards and wildlife now, so whatever.

It doesnt change your past actions, honey
Your indifference doesnt make it look any better as well. Show some basic remorse, maybe?

[Xilizhra]

Easy to solve:  don't take men with you.

You make an excellent point. But then why is the Warden naked and Alistair not if they get captured by Cauthrien?

[jlb524]

You make an excellent point. But then why is the Warden naked and Alistair not if they get captured by Cauthrien?

 

I don't let Alistair get captured!

 

I have this all figured out.

[Xilizhra]

I don't let Alistair get captured!

 

I have this all figured out.

And the other bodies in Fort Drakon?

[Ryzaki]

You make an excellent point. But then why is the Warden naked and Alistair not if they get captured by Cauthrien?

 

? Alistair was naked in my game. Cause I remember I had natural bodies installed and yeah the laughs I got from that...LOL.

[Xilizhra]

? Alistair was naked in my game. Cause I remember I had natural bodies installed and yeah the laughs I got from that...LOL.

Jlb was referring to a mod that leaves only women naked.

[Ryzaki]

Jlb was referring to a mod that leaves only women naked.

 

Wait...there's a mod that does that?

[Maria Caliban]

The men leave their underwear on and the women don't.

It's made pretty explicit when Raleigh says "Orlesian harlot, if you wanted any more of my men, you need only have asked!"

I wonder why they did that. If you're going to make it vague and the character never references it, why have Leliana raped?

Is it because it's a dark fantasy world?  Does it tie into Leliana's psychology in a way we can't appreciate but that still influences the character?

If we assume Leliana Song is her telling the story, then she decided to skip the act itself, but still wanted whomever was listening to (maybe) know about it. Does that tell us anything about how she's coped (or hasn't coped?)
 

Honestly? Feeling sad is not enjoyment. If a scene makes you negative emotions you dont enjoy it
Such scenes are designed to make people feel bad, and naturally living beings prefer to avoid strong negative feelings
But if such scenes cause pleasure and satisfaction... its worrying

Hardly the most worrying thing about me.

*hopes you never see my reaver appreciation posts*

[Basement Cat]

*hopes you never see my reaver appreciation posts*

I see what you did there... *sorry, couldn't resist*

[Divine Justinia V]

You mean that one time she got betrayed by her love, arrested for crime she didnt commit, tortured and raped? Yeah, such a good story indeed. So fascinating seeing her crying lying on the ground...
Geez. Of course she can survive it. Does ot make it okay? No

 

It's a fictional story with computer-generated pixels as characters fyi

 

I feel like you're implying I'd be okay with this in any other setting. Leliana has always carried the redemption arc and it's suited her, which is what I was originally trying to say.

[Alan Rickman]

So when people feel sadness, anger, shock or any other "negative" feeling from a certain scene in a video game, movie, book, tv show or the like, they are horrible people for enjoying said scene since it managed to touch them enough to evoke a strong response from them?

 

 

They dont enjoy it if they feel negative emotions. Its the opposite

 

Ok, I'll use myself as an example.

 

*I* enjoy it immensely when works of fiction manage to evoke emotional responses in me, be they positive or negative.

 

In The Lord of the Rings trilogy, I like both scenes that give me the warm and fuzzies like Aragorn's coronation where everyone kneels to the hobbits as a sign of respect, as well as scenes like where Frodo, Bilbo and Gandalf leave at the end which has reduced me to tears more than once.

[Chari]

I wonder why they did that. If you're going to make it vague and the character never references it, why have Leliana raped?

Is it because it's a dark fantasy world? Does it tie into Leliana's psychology in a way we can't appreciate but that still influences the character?

If we assume Leliana is her telling the story, then she decided to skip the act itself, but still wanted whomever was listening to (maybe) know about it.


Hardly the most worrying thing about me.

*hopes you never see my reaver appreciation posts*

Because this is what would likely happen in real life?
...
Sickening

It sure is

Nah, I like Reavers except all destroytheashes ****
When two more or less equal opponents fight pretty much on equal rights, both knowing what theyre risking and both agreeing on potential results it is art
Using your own pain or fear of others is as beautiful and sickening as zergs' nature
But such fighting doesnt include taking advantage of children, disabled, less strong and not seeking death. It is a fair fight which doesnt include humiliation or sexual assault, or.betrayal. You sacriface yourself as much as you sacriface your opponent

[Xilizhra]

I wonder why they did that. If you're going to make it vague and the character never references it, why have Leliana raped?

Is it because it's a dark fantasy world?  Does it tie into Leliana's psychology in a way we can't appreciate but that still influences the character?

If we assume Leliana Song is her telling the story, then she decided to skip the act itself, but still wanted whomever was listening to (maybe) know about it. Does that tell us anything about how she's coped (or hasn't coped?)

I thought the "did terrible things" line was a somewhat oblique reference to it. As for the rest... I don't know enough about rape survivor psychology to say anything of value, I'm afraid.

[The Elder King]

Maria thinks Reavers are cannibals who feast on their enemies. That's the part I think she was referring to.

[Xilizhra]

Maria thinks Reavers are cannibals who feast on their enemies. That's the part I think she was referring to.

Well, the Devour ability is fairly explicit.

[Chari]

It's a fictional story with computer-generated pixels as characters fyi

I feel like you're implying I'd be okay with this in any other setting. Leliana has always carried the redemption arc and it's suited her, which is what I was originally trying to say.

The concept is the same for both real and fictional world and the concept itself is terrible enough

What rape and torture has to do with redemption? Redemption would better suit Marjoline if she ever realised wgat horror she caused

[Chari]

Ok, I'll use myself as an example.

*I* enjoy it immensely when works of fiction manage to evoke emotional responses in me, be they positive or negative.

In The Lord of the Rings trilogy, I like both scenes that give me the warm and fuzzies like Aragorn's coronation where everyone kneels to the hobbits as a sign of respect, as well as scenes like where Frodo, Bilbo and Gandalf leave at the end which has reduced me to tears more than once.

Both these scenes are fairly happy style. Tears can be of joy as well

[The Elder King]

Well, the Devour ability is fairly explicit.

I'm not saying they're not. I'm saying this is what Maria was referring as possibly more disturbing to Chari.

[Chari]

Maria thinks Reavers are cannibals who feast on their enemies. That's the part I think she was referring to.

Plenty of cultures do that
As long as their enemies arent alive anymore to feel it it is more "eww" than "NOPE"

[Alan Rickman]

Both these scenes are fairly happy style. Tears can be of joy as well

 

I assure you, the latter example is me crying because I find it sad. Considering it's a not-so-subtle metaphor for them dying and sailing off into the afterlife and all.

 

Still enjoy it, tho.

 

Other things I've enjoyed:

 

Mordin's death scene is absolutely wonderful.

 

The Red Wedding was graphic, absolutely horrible and involved characters I liked.

 

Both made me so, so, so sad, yet I loved them both.

Modifié par JobacNoor, 16 juillet 2014 - 12:51 .

[Chari]

I assure you, the latter example is me crying because I find it sad. Considering it's a not-so-subtle metaphor for them dying and sailing off into the afterlife and all.

Still enjoy it, tho.

Death is tragic but not necessary terrible. Without an end there wouldnt be peace
Now, if they were sent to the Mordor aka Hell instead...

[The Elder King]

Plenty of cultures do that
As long as their enemies arent alive anymore to feel it it is more "eww" than "NOPE"

I'm not exactly sure they only feast on dead bodies.

[Chari]

I'm not exactly sure they only feast on dead bodies.

Well, it is a theory only. We have seen reavers in the game amd Felicoa series and... just one sign of cannibalism as far as I remember
Granted my Warden is a good reaper... reaver. She doesnt torture her enemies to eat them later

[LobselVith8]

I thought the "did terrible things" line was a somewhat oblique reference to it. As for the rest... I don't know enough about rape survivor psychology to say anything of value, I'm afraid.

 

I was under the same impression in Origins. It seemed like Leliana dealt with a terrible ordeal when she recalled what happened, and I think she was still struggling with it to that day (when she confided in The Warden).

 

I'd imagine it's possible to avoid Leliana getting tortured by pursuing a path with one of the other advisers when dealing with Redcliffe; perhaps a military incursion might be recommended by Cullen, or diplomacy with one of the leaders could be advised by Josephine.