The men leave their underwear on and the women don't.
It's made pretty explicit when Raleigh says "Orlesian harlot, if you wanted any more of my men, you need only have asked!"
When does he say that? I don't remember it.
I do think Leliana was taken advantaged of, but I don't really look at it as cold hard fact.
When does he say that? I don't remember it.
I do think Leliana was taken advantaged of, but I don't really look at it as cold hard fact.
One of the fights with various mooks as you head up the coast. The... third, I think.
Oh if that was the context that I probably took it as "I have plenty of more men to spare" mixed in with a bit of good old verbal sexual harassment for good measure, I don't even think he was there to know what happened in the dungeon...
Honestly the only line that really does suggest it to me is the "they did terrible things to me" one.
And the other bodies in Fort Drakon?
My Warden just never wears underwear.
Wait...there's a mod that does that?
It's the same mod...I just delete all the male files from the override folder.
It's the same mod...I just delete all the male files from the override folder.
Ooooooh.
I'm too lazy for that XD
My Warden was Dalish. She doesn't know what underwear is.
/headcanon
My Warden was Dalish. She doesn't know what underwear is.
/headcanon
those leaves she made 
i don't feel good and am going to bed way early for me, but before i do, my two cents. the developer said a placeholder design was used as to not spoil anything, that is it. she could be wearing a templar robe, or morrigan's outfit for all we know; she could be bloodied, bandaged or get this NOT actually in that scene.
so people please relax.
I was under the same impression in Origins. It seemed like Leliana dealt with a terrible ordeal when she recalled what happened, and I think she was still struggling with it to that day (when she confided in The Warden).
I'd imagine it's possible to avoid Leliana getting tortured by pursuing a path with one of the other advisers when dealing with Redcliffe; perhaps a military incursion might be recommended by Cullen, or diplomacy with one of the leaders could be advised by Josephine.
makes sense, she then starts to hear the voices in order to deal with the drama...
those leaves she made
Nah man, commando.
Guest_Trojan.Vundo_*
maybe they use werewolf furthose leaves she made
maybe they use werewolf fur
Hope his Dalish Warden didn't get fleas
Guest_Trojan.Vundo_*
Hope his Dalish Warden didn't get fleas
It invokes powerful feelings in the player, so yes, it is a good story.
I'm going to interject here somewhat. I consider it complicating that we've been tuned so much to see the physical abuse towards women as being something that invokes powerful feelings in people, because it can lend itself to things like benevolent sexism (overly trying to protect women from physical threats - violent or otherwise - simply because they're women and we get strong emotional reactions to seeing women, specifically, get hurt). I think it also plays a reinforcement that feeling strong emotional reaction to violence towards women has a potentially negative perspective to how we perceive violence towards men. As such "he can take it" and so forth (despite perhaps the fact that he cannot) and an undermining and dismissal towards challenges a man may have by virtue of him being a man and having unreasonable universal roles and expectations assigned to him that may not actually be necessary.
I agree that it's more powerful to take characters we care about, but I don't think it's unreasonable and step back for a moment to critique this in the context of historical depiction of violence against people and wonder "is there unforeseen consequences to something like this?"
People finding suffering enjoyable is pretty dang terrible
By extension:
Enjoyable may not be the best word, but within the context of a fictional, interactive experience, I do "enjoy" feeling strong emotional responses to what is happening on the screen. Not that I "enjoy" seeing bad things, but I really like that a fictional game world can bring out such powerful emotions towards me:
Walking Dead, Season 1 ending spoilers
I'm going to interject here somewhat. I consider it complicating that we've been tuned so much to see the physical abuse towards women as being something that invokes powerful feelings in people, because it can lend itself to things like benevolent sexism (overly trying to protect women from physical threats - violent or otherwise - simply because they're women and we get strong emotional reactions to seeing women, specifically, get hurt). I think it also plays a reinforcement that feeling strong emotional reaction to violence towards women has a potentially negative perspective to how we perceive violence towards men. As such "he can take it" and so forth (despite perhaps the fact that he cannot) and an undermining and dismissal towards challenges a man may have by virtue of him being a man and having unreasonable universal roles and expectations assigned to him that may not actually be necessary.
I agree that it's more powerful to take characters we care about, but I don't think it's unreasonable and step back for a moment to critique this in the context of historical depiction of violence against people and wonder "is there unforeseen consequences to something like this?"
Don't forget desensitizing people to it. I find a lot of people just...get used to seeing it all the time when they consume that kind of media and sadly I've seen first hand how that can lead to not thinking anything of the enacting those same types of behaviour eventually. *smh*
And just to clarify, this is purely as a response/addition to the post I am quoting.
Also: I removed a shwack of off topic posts in this thread as well.
By extension:
Enjoyable may not be the best word, but within the context of a fictional, interactive experience, I do "enjoy" feeling strong emotional responses to what is happening on the screen. Not that I "enjoy" seeing bad things, but I really like that a fictional game world can bring out such powerful emotions towards me:
Walking Dead, Season 1 ending spoilers
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Very much agreed. It's not remarkable that art can make us feel bad. It is remarkable that art can make us feel at all. I was astonished by the depth of feeling that scene welled up in me and so many others that played the game. Video games are only just realizing their potential as an art form, I think.
By extension:
Enjoyable may not be the best word, but within the context of a fictional, interactive experience, I do "enjoy" feeling strong emotional responses to what is happening on the screen. Not that I "enjoy" seeing bad things, but I really like that a fictional game world can bring out such powerful emotions towards me:
Walking Dead, Season 1 ending spoilers
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That's the only part of any game that's ever had me not just tear up, but tears-streaming-down-my-face crying. Perfect example to what you said.
I'm going to interject here somewhat. I consider it complicating that we've been tuned so much to see the physical abuse towards women as being something that invokes powerful feelings in people, because it can lend itself to things like benevolent sexism (overly trying to protect women from physical threats - violent or otherwise - simply because they're women and we get strong emotional reactions to seeing women, specifically, get hurt). I think it also plays a reinforcement that feeling strong emotional reaction to violence towards women has a potentially negative perspective to how we perceive violence towards men. As such "he can take it" and so forth (despite perhaps the fact that he cannot) and an undermining and dismissal towards challenges a man may have by virtue of him being a man and having unreasonable universal roles and expectations assigned to him that may not actually be necessary.
I agree that it's more powerful to take characters we care about, but I don't think it's unreasonable and step back for a moment to critique this in the context of historical depiction of violence against people and wonder "is there unforeseen consequences to something like this?"
In addition, I think it also says something about our culture and the inherent sexualization of women when we assume a character like Leliana has suffered sexual abuse, in addition to the physical and psychological. It is never actually stated that Leliana was sexually abused when Marjorlaine betrayed her, and without context, we cannot know if the same is true for the torture scene in Inquisition. But we assume she had to be sexually abused, even with ambiguous dialogue, because we have come to expect it to happen. We see women as natural victims.
Do we assume a man in a torture scene has been sexually abused? Probably not, without some context. But when a woman is put in a vulnerable situation, we almost automatically expect sexual trauma. As if the regular torture weren't enough.
The only example I can think of atm is from The Walking Dead. (Sorry if Spoilers)
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I understand fantasy settings use aspects of reality as inspiration, but rape and sexual assault is something I would be entirely happy with DA especially never ever bringing up or even exploring in any way shape or form. Ever.
It's not necessary at all to any plotlines, and at best it will just make people uncomfortable, at worst it can potentially make actual rapists feel justified and cause panic attacks for actual real life victims of sexual abuse and assault.
This is really a topic that doesn't need to be discussed here or brought up in DAI or any future games, and I would please ask that we change the subject.
And as far as The Walking dead is concerned since it's been brought up, I cried like a baby. A hungry, angry baby.
To enjoy means to "take delight or pleasure in (an activity or occasion)"By extension:
Enjoyable may not be the best word, but within the context of a fictional, interactive experience, I do "enjoy" feeling strong emotional responses to what is happening on the screen. Not that I "enjoy" seeing bad things, but I really like that a fictional game world can bring out such powerful emotions towards me:
Walking Dead, Season 1 ending spoilers
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