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[Ailith Tycane]

I don't agree. I like hard ass Rick so much more on the show, haha. 

[Chari]

I don't agree. I like hard ass Rick so much more on the show, haha.

I don't. I remember that episode where Rick, his son and someone else were driving to some city to gather resources. On their way they met a man who cried to take him with them, he was carrying a backpack. They just ignored him and drove farther.
On their way back they found his backpack and prolly him dead (I dont remember), and as if nothing had happened took it and drove back home
No remorse, no guilt, no sympathy. If they didnt ignore him he might still be alive. The fact that they looted him only made it worse
Hence I stopped watching after that episode. I have no interest watching series about such indifferent monsters

[Allan Schumacher]

To enjoy means to "take delight or pleasure in (an activity or occasion)"

 

I take delight that a video game was able to bring out an emotional response out of me.

 

 

 

Unless one is a masochist negative emotions such as sadness, anger or pain are not enjoyment. Excitement, maybe. But not enjoyment

 

From the wikipedia definition of Pleasure (which defines enjoyment according to your definition)

 

Pleasure describes the broad class of mental states that humans and other animals experience as positive, enjoyable, or worth seeking. It includes more specific mental states such as happiness, entertainment, enjoyment, ecstasy, and euphoria. In psychology, the pleasure principle describes pleasure as a positive feedback mechanism, motivating the organism to recreate in the future the situation which it has just found pleasurable. According to this theory, organisms are similarly motivated to avoid situations that have caused pain in the past

 

I bolded one particular mental state, which is entertainment.  Entertainment encapsulates a lot of things (and I do not think is that far from Excitement that you list either).  I find something like the Walking Dead game entertaining.  It was emotionally moving and memorable.  So yes, I will say I enjoyed it.  I'm glad that I played it because the experience was one I found interesting.  If I were to experience the same circumstances in reality, I would not enjoy it as it's no longer a story being told in the comfort of my own home.

 

Synonyms for enjoyment include words such as thrill, amusement, satisfaction, recreation, diversion, fun.

 

 

of TWD is why I dislike the series. There is no hope, no any kind of justice. I look at these characters and realise they have no hope of survival, no hope for even revenge often. I despise Rick for how coldhearted he became in third season of TV series: leaving some quite innocent people to die and even looting them. I agree with Dale from 1 and 2 seasons : "'Cause at least I can say when the world goes to ****, I didn't let it take me down with it."

Is it safe to say, then, that what you find entertaining differs from what other people find entertaining, and that we move along in this discussion?

 

I can understand reservations about people feeling that Leliana needs to be in a particular condition for the scene to be appropriate, but the semantics argument is going to derail the thread further so I think it's in the best interests that it stops now.  We disagree with what someone means by the term "enjoy" in this context, and I don't expect that to change, so I don't think it's particularly productive to continue on this path.

[Ailith Tycane]

I don't. I remember that episode where Rick, his son and someone else were driving to some city to gather resources. On their way they met a man who cried to take him with them, he was carrying a backpack. They just ignored him and drove farther.
On their way back they found his backpack and prolly him dead (I dont remember), and as if nothing had happened took it and drove back home
No remorse, no guilt, no sympathy. If they didnt ignore him he might still be alive. The fact that they looted him only made it worse
Hence I stopped watching after that episode. I have no interest watching series about such indifferent monsters

 

I got the sense they had some remorse, but considering they had an illness ridden jail full of people who needed food and resources, they couldn't take on another person to feed and take care of. 

 

Also the fact that everyone on that show who isn't an already established character ends up being a sociopath, I wouldn't trust anyone either. 

[Chari]

I take delight that a video game was able to bring out an emotional response out of me.




From the wikipedia definition of Pleasure (which defines enjoyment according to your definition)


I bolded one particular mental state, which is entertainment. Entertainment encapsulates a lot of things (and I do not think is that far from Excitement that you list either). I find something like the Walking Dead game entertaining. It was emotionally moving and memorable. So yes, I will say I enjoyed it. I'm glad that I played it because the experience was one I found interesting. If I were to experience the same circumstances in reality, I would not enjoy it as it's no longer a story being told in the comfort of my own home.

Synonyms for enjoyment include words such as thrill, amusement, satisfaction, recreation, diversion, fun.



Is it safe to say, then, that what you find entertaining differs from what other people find entertaining, and that we move along in this discussion?

I can understand reservations about people feeling that Leliana needs to be in a particular condition for the scene to be appropriate, but the semantics argument is going to derail the thread further so I think it's in the best interests that it stops now. We disagree with what someone means by the term "enjoy" in this context, and I don't expect that to change, so I don't think it's particularly productive to continue on this path.

Okay, I guess. I disagree since I trust Oxford more than everchanging wiki, but whatever. At least you understand why I feel so strongly terrified when people demand Lelianna to be beaten up for "immersion"
Im leaving for now

[thats1evildude]

I haven't really been following the thread for the past few days, but a cursory glance suggests that you guys are either talking about a Walking Dead/Dragon Age cross-over or some kind of bondage mini-game with Leliana.

 

BDSM isn't really my thing, but I'd still buy that DLC.

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

I haven't really been following the thread for the past few days, but a cursory glance suggests that you guys are talking about some kind of bondage mini-game with Leliana.

 

BDSM isn't really my thing, but I'd still buy that DLC.

 

I recommend not reading back and just continuing to believe what you're believing right now. You'll probably prefer it that way. 

[Allan Schumacher]

At least you understand why I feel so strongly terrified when people demand Lelianna to be beaten up for "immersion"

 

As someone that isn't specifically targeted, I think I can understand yes.  People lack context for the scene specifically, and I think jump to the quickest conclusions about what must be happening (and must have happened) and, as Maria hinted it, it's in large part because they're so used to coming to that conclusion.  Which I agree IS a problem (or rather, a symptom of a bigger problem).

[Basement Cat]

Theory:

1- Leliana was somehow turned into a mage during her captivity by the Venatori.

2a- When that soldier grabs her by the throat at the end of the demo, she will escape with a burst of magical power. (yay!)

OR

2b- she will turn into an abomination. (nay!)

[Maria Caliban]

Leliana is magical, so I'd approve of her being a hedge mage all along.

I wonder if we'll ever get insight into that vision of hers. Given that all humans enter the Fade when they dream, I wonder if there are aspects of the supernal world non-mages experience in their dreams. Maybe she's what managed to get the rose bush to grow.

Or Leliana had a bad dream and decided it meant the Maker wanted her to fight darkspawn.

[Basement Cat]

Leliana is magical, so I'd approve of her being a hedge mage all along.

One thing that intrigues me is Sandal's line about how 'everyone will be as they were'. Some people are speculating that it would mean everyone is meant to be a mage. As you pointed out before (here or another thread, I forget), everyone has a measure of magical ability. The only way I see shouting making you deadlier with a bow is magic.

 

We know mages are made tranquil through the Fade and that the process can be reversed. So why couldn't a non-mage be made into a mage? That would explain the attitude she has: they highjacked her brain for a while. Nobody would be happy with that.

[BabyFratelli]

One thing that intrigues me is Sandal's line about how 'everyone will be as they were'. Some people are speculating that it would mean everyone is meant to be a mage. As you pointed out before (here or another thread, I forget), everyone has a measure of magical ability. The only way I see shouting making you deadlier with a bow is magic.

 

We know mages are made tranquil through the Fade and that the process can be reversed. So why couldn't a non-mage be made into a mage? That would explain the attitude she has: they highjacked her brain for a while. Nobody would be happy with that.

 

This is a pretty neat theory, I can see something coming of it, but I don't think that's the explanation for her attitude. To be honest, being kidnapped and tied up by itself would be pretty terrifying. Even if she hadn't been tortured, I wouldn't blame her for being as venomous as she is afterwards. Heck, I wouldn't blame her for killing someone who even attempted kidnapping her, let alone getting away with it.

[Basement Cat]

This is a pretty neat theory, I can see something coming of it, but I don't think that's the explanation for her attitude. To be honest, being kidnapped and tied up by itself would be pretty terrifying. Even if she hadn't been tortured, I wouldn't blame her for being as venomous as she is afterwards. Heck, I wouldn't blame her for killing someone who even attempted kidnapping her, let alone getting away with it.

Well, if somebody invaded my mind and started changing things around in it, I'd be pretty p*ssed. Add that to all the other stuff and you get a volcanic eruption of anger and resentment.

[MissDragon]

Of all the things I've lost....I miss my mind the most...and Leliana

[Rane7685]

Of all the things I've lost....I miss my mind the most...and Leliana

Are you saying you lost your mind? If so you have no mind to miss Leliana with so umm silver lining?

[MissDragon]

Are you saying you lost your mind? If so you have no mind to miss Leliana with so umm silver lining?

 

Behind every silver lining is a golden thread. I wonder if Leliana would sit and sew a new costume in her erm...idle time

[CrimsonN7]

Welp this catch up was... heavy.

 

Good read tho, and I don't really want to drag stuff back up but I dunno I'm guessing that perhaps why Leliana didn't look so disheveled and physically broken in that torture scene is because she was psychologically tortured instead. There are many varieties of torture not just physical and in this world she was tortured with magic, me thinks, a worse fate in a way, mental scars stay with you longer.

 

Who knows how long she was being tortured and if she was indeed tortured using these means its hardly surprising that she is so short and hostile to her companions when they show up, plus her anger towards the mages, no-one should have this sort of power line. I'm just guessing here.

[TheKomandorShepard]

If everyone ends up turning in a mage, I'll probably lose interest. Just like I'll lose interest if they made a Mass Effect sequel with a canonized Synthesis setting.

 

The contrasts and conflict interest me more than actually resolving the problem

Well how turning everyone into walking bomb is resolving problem unless your problem are all humans.

[TheKomandorShepard]

They're walking bombs because of influences from the Fade.. the risk of being an abomination.

 

You could probably resolve the problem if you took the Fade out of the equation.

 

I'm more weary of the idea of everyone just being a mage, period. The whole idea behind it bores me. I like worlds where people evolve in different ways, with different strengths and weaknesses. I have nothing against magic itself, like you. I just don't like "sameness".

Well it won't change for certain fade may be even necessary if you don't want turn everyone into zombie as it is connected to humans as well other races even dwarves.

[Lenimph]

If everyone ends up turning in a mage, I'll probably lose interest. Just like I'll lose interest if they made a Mass Effect sequel with a canonized Synthesis setting.

 

The contrasts and conflict interest me more than actually resolving the problem

I agree.  It would just feel really cheap to me like "yay everyone is the same now have fun!" lol no 

[Eveangaline]

It's worth noting that the advisors do have what we may as well call  "stronghold banter." They banter with each other and NPCs, reflecting their relationships and reactivity. You'll have plenty of opportunity to be around them to hear it.

 

I wonder what kind of banter she will have...

[MissDragon]

I wonder what kind of banter she will have...

 

The 'what do we do next banter'

[LolsLikeMuttley]

If Schmooples survived...I'd like to hear NPC's asking where all the nug droppings in the kitchens are coming from. I think Leliana would keep the pet quiet; now's she all spymaster and wearing her serious face full time.