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[SomeoneStoleMyName]

I don't think it's a bad thing for the game to have an attractive woman who doesn't want to sleep with the protagonist.

I personally dont care much about her being attractive. She could be missing an eye and half her face after a fireball accident for all I care
My problem is that Leliana is the only one (seemingly so far) with a personality that Id want to romance.

Cassandra too "knightly" and I think will have a too high of a moral compass.
Scribbles seems too "decent" and kind.

New Leliana: Tough and strong morally gray woman which firsthands thinks of getting the job done and isnt afraid of vengance and blood. But... good/kind at her core.

Im getting old (29 years, 30 in a month). Physical attractiveness seems to become less and less important for me compared to personality. This in RL and gaming both.

 

[SomeoneStoleMyName]

As a few of us has speculate before in this thread, she has more signs of having Dependent Personality Disorder than anything else. The diagnosis critia for DPD defines her behaviour and relationships with others almost perfectly.

 

 

Even if it's been 10 years and the Warden's been missing for a few years, it's probably for the best that they don't make her romanceable, given the notorious problems with the Zevran romance import in DA2 where he'd "cheat" on the Warden, an especially devastating blow if it was one that performed the Ultimate Sacrifice ending.

 

Still, it's a little unfair to still make her unromanceable for those of us who didn't in Origins and might want to in Inquisition. Why can't our Inquisitor decide to romance her, simply because the Warden did not? Doesn't she deserve some happiness?

@ The bolded text: I wasnt aware of that I dont like to admit it but you have a good point.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I personally dont care much about her being attractive. She could be missing an eye and half her face after a fireball accident for all I care
My problem is that Leliana is the only one (seemingly so far) with a personality that Id want to romance.

Cassandra too "knightly" and I think will have a too high of a moral compass.
Scribbles seems too "decent" and kind.

New Leliana: Tough and strong morally gray woman which firsthands thinks of getting the job done and isnt afraid of vengance and blood. But... good/kind at her core.

Im getting old (29 years, 30 in a month). Physical attractiveness seems to become less and less important for me compared to personality. This in RL and gaming both.

 

Well, if anything else I'm glad you feel this way. 

[Han Shot First]

Scribbles seems too "decent" and kind.

New Leliana: Tough and strong morally gray woman which firsthands thinks of getting the job done and isnt afraid of vengance and blood. But... good/kind at her core.

 

 

I'd guess that Scribbles would be somewhat of a gray character as well. After all she is your political adviser. A white knighting idealist would make a poor political leader. You need someone whose idealism is tempered by pragmatism.

[SomeoneStoleMyName]

I'd guess that Scribbles would be somewhat of a gray character as well. After all she is your political adviser. A white knighting idealist would make a poor political leader. You need someone whose idealism is tempered by pragmatism.

Im hoping you are right. 

[Sifr]

Zevran's import had a whole list of bugs in DA2, especially the one where he also turned up alive even if you killed him, which they confirmed wasn't supposed to happen. Unlike Leliana where it's apparently going to be a plotpoint, or Anders where he reveals he faked his death, he was supposed to stay dead.

 

And I concur that new Leliana is more interesting, which is why I'd prefer it if we could romance her in Inquisition.

 

Part of the reason I tend to romance Morrigan over her in Origins is because for all of her cattiness, Morrigan comes across as a more stronger and self-sufficient woman, who nonetheless has a tender side underneath if you really work hard to see it. Morrigan isn't afraid to stand up and challenge the Warden when she disagrees with you.

 

Not to say that Leliana doesn't have a strong or tougher side, but she was trying to suppress that side of her. While you can harden her and make her more tougher, that was still her becoming who the Warden wanted her to be, not becoming that way on her own.

 

It's kind of like Liara in Mass Effect. I liked her well enough to romance her in ME1, but the romance only really becomes interesting for me in ME2 and 3 when she has evolved from a naive and timid scientist into a complete and utter badass.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Aye, but the option should be there if you wanted to pursue her, even if it doesn't end up going anywhere like Samara in ME2 or Aveline in DA2, where the former rebuffs you and the latter doesn't get you're into her at all?

 

True, the Warden's appearance in Denerim in 9:37 suggests that they still were around then, even if they went with Morrigan at the end of Witch Hunt which was meant to be in 9:32. I suspect that the only way to retcon this is that Witch Hunt actually took place in 9:37 and the Warden spent over 5 years as Warden-Commander, before leaving mysteriously (possibly with Morrigan) shortly after Vigil's Keep was repaired (if you saved Amaranthine).

I rly hope it isn't in case as i left grey wardens and witch hunt was 9:33 not 32 it was 2 years after the blight.

[Wulfram]

I don't find a darker, more serious Leliana particularly interesting in concept.  It seems like it eliminates most of what's distinctive about her.  You don't make a character deeper by bringing their depths to the surface.

 

And acting like a dark and brooding spy in your mysterious spymaster's hood doesn't seem like it would make you a better spy.  Her engaging manner was her best weapon.

[Sifr]

I rly hope it isn't in case as i left grey wardens and witch hunt was 9:33 not 32 it was 2 years after the blight.

 

According to WoT (at least the version I have), the Blight took place between 9:30 and early 9:31. Awakening and Golems of Amgarrak was set in 9:31 and Witch Hunt in 9:32.

 

Although, since it's unclear whether it was two years from the start of the Blight or the end and it probably took the Warden a long time to trek around Ferelden and the Deep Roads, it might have started in late 9:32 and been early 9:33 by the time they found Morrigan?

[Lenimph]

I really don't get how anyone can form an opinion on her "new personality" after the 7 or so minutes we see of her in what's supposedly optional content and the little bit of PR stuff we've gotten...

[TheKomandorShepard]

According to WoT (at least the version I have), the Blight took place between 9:30 and early 9:31. Awakening and Golems of Amgarrak was set in 9:31 and Witch Hunt into 9:32.

 

Although, since it's unclear whether it was two years from the start of the Blight or the end and it probably took the Warden a long time to trek around Ferelden and the Deep Roads, it might have started in late 9:32 and been early 9:33 by the time they found Morrigan?

On the map in witch hunt it says that 2 years ago mother forces attacked the keep so it was 9:33 as daa was in 9:31 i don't have WoT so i don't know about dates there but that was date in witch hunt.

[CrimsonN7]

I dont get it. From a roleplaying perspective one wouldnt care about the warden if you are now playing the inquisitor right? I mean... if you play PnP D&D why would you care about some long gone character of yours?

Even if you are overly-attatched to previous characters, its called moving on. If the small percentage of players being genuinely mad at Leliana romance because "I romanced her with my warden omfg - she is unfaithful!" then they are being completely unrealistic imo, why?, think of it in real life.

 

If you are in love with a woman, or you are a woman in love with a man - and they disappear for 10 years - you cant - in any way - expect them to wait for you or you to wait for them. 

So nomatter how you put it - Leliana not being a romance option makes no sense. The only realistic or lore-friendly way she wouldnt be romancable would be because she took a chastity wow with the chantry or simply dont want it because shes a workoholic (job comes first).

 

I think with everything going on in her life she ain't got time for our romantic bsns, which is fine with me. I'm okay with some people being unavailable to the protagonist. 

 

Like most here I did romance her in Origins so hopefully we'll get some info on what happened with our Wardens in the years that passed, hopefully get some closure there. And at first I was disappointed that she was unavailable but then it is for the best, I already had her in DAO, time to give the new blood a chance.

[Lenimph]

Or maybe she just isn't interested in the inquisitor. Also I bet it will be possible to flirt with her but she just wont reciprocate because she doesn't have to.

[MissDragon]

What makes you think you won't be able to flirt with her?

Hey if modders can find a way to mod DAI...what's to say we can't flirt with her..we will find a way  

[CrimsonN7]

Or maybe she just isn't interested in the inquisitor. Also I bet it will be possible to flirt with her but she just wont reciprocate because she doesn't have to.

 

Spoiler

Cos she's still in love with the Warden.

 

 

[Riven326]

I don't think it's a bad thing for the game to have an attractive woman who doesn't want to sleep with the protagonist.

 

 

The Warden hasn't been missing for 10 years. 

 

If you want to romance Leliana, go play DA:O. Seriously. It was rather enjoyable. 

I don't have a problem with her not being a possible romance. I just wanted to know where it was confirmed.

[Lenimph]

I don't have a problem with her not being a possible romance. I just wanted to know where it was confirmed.

http://m.pcgamer.com...the-open-world/

Gaider has said it on the forum too. No one who was a LI in a previous game can be "romanced"
#dealwithit #Googleisyourfriend

[Zjarcal]

I dont get it. From a roleplaying perspective one wouldnt care about the warden if you are now playing the inquisitor right? I mean... if you play PnP D&D why would you care about some long gone character of yours?

 
I don't play PnP D&D and even if I did, saying that I should't care about an old protagonist (whose fate was left in the air at the end of the last game and who is potentially still relevant to the gamewordl) just because I'm playing a new one is a terrible argument.
 

So nomatter how you put it - Leliana not being a romance option makes no sense. The only realistic or lore-friendly way she wouldnt be romancable would be because she took a chastity wow with the chantry or simply dont want it because shes a workoholic (job comes first).

This is an even worse argument.

Nvmd that we don't know how long the warden has been missing (or why they're missing), even if you think she should "move on" already, it's her prerogative to still consider herself either unavailable or uninterested in a new relationship, it's not something that needs to be explained or even worse justified with something as... silly, as "she must have taken a chastity vow".

As for making her available if not romanced in DAO, well that would've been ok but eh, I can see why they chose to just avoid that path.

Also, the option to flirt with her and be rejected is a good one, would be fun to see.
 

Hey if modders can find a way to mod DAI...what's to say we can't flirt with her..we will find a way  

That's a big if... 

[Lenimph]

Nvmd that we don't know how long the warden has been missing (or why they're missing), even if you think she should "move on" already, it's her prerogative to still consider herself either unavailable or uninterested in a new relationship, it's not something that needs to be explained or even worse justified with something as... silly, as "she must have taken a chastity vow".

But clearly the only way she can deny the inquisitor's D is if she took a vow of chastity it's not like she's capable of saying no to it obviously.

[Jerome Jira]

I do love Leli, but I am also glad that she isn't romancable. Won't mind a flirt option, but glad things stays on a professional level.

[jlb524]

Hey if modders can find a way to mod DAI...what's to say we can't flirt with her..we will find a way  

 

Even if possible, that would be an awkward mod considering you wouldn't have voice acting/cinematics for those scenes.  

[CrimsonN7]

I do love Leli, but I am also glad that she isn't romancable. Won't mind a flirt option, but glad things stays on a professional level.

 

Senpai Leliana ain't got time for silly Inquisitor crushes, she wants the world back.

[Master Warder Z_]

Given that sociopathy doesn't exist in 'modern internal medical diagnosis,' that's doubtful. Nor is she anti-social or dissocial. She shows empathy, she doesn't break social norms, she is capable of long-term relationships where she values the other person, and she shows no sign of lack of control when it comes to aggression or violent impulses.

 

mmm, I did that post mostly as a joke, but if it is being taken seriously...fine.

 

You going by the fact that the illness is not considered a disease no?  If that's the case, then its perspective based given that i do, given that it can be diagnosed, identified and treated, but that isn't here or there, but it was plainly just a target because of wording, which in my eye would place it under the auspices of internal medicine, even if it is a psychiatric field.

 

Anti social, short of those she worked with, killed or stole from whom exactly was she meeting back in her days as a Bard? Dissocial, her very professional encourage that , what with the killing, stealing, treason and alike. The rights of others include their right to live no?She doesn't break social norms? Wouldn't her chosen profession be exactly that? a breaking of social norms, of choosing to live outside the laws of man and maker.

 

Does she value the other person? Or does she merely use them? That's the thing, all we have to go by is what the person in question said, and is to be trusted? 

 

No Lack of control when it comes to aggression or violent impulses, Does she go about murdering people? No, Not as far as we know, not anymore at least.

 

But she does show a striking lack of empathy, i joked and said so was half of Thedas, and in truth that is about what i believe, when all that prevents you from death is your own skill with a blade, it encourages a lot of thinking styles, that us of an era were most of us, don't survive by the speed of our reflexes find odd.

[thats1evildude]

When does Leliana ever show a lack of empathy in DAO?

[Master Warder Z_]

When does Leliana ever show a lack of empathy in DAO?

 

Just an example off the top of my head?

 

1. The encounter with father Kolgrim, when she quite readily agrees that the good father in question need die, whether this comes from earnest religious devotion or not is irrelevant to me, she cast aside the basic human prerequisite: acknowledgement of another's right to exist. which by definition, matches with "lack of empathy"

 

Ironically enough Sten and Oghren have similar reactions to the Father, though from different perspectives, point being she is among the company of folks who don't seem to entirely grasp empathy either.

 

Honestly do people not remember just how cold blooded she could be even unhardened? Basically anything she viewed as "abhorrent" was denied person hood, received scorn condemnation, so to me its either she doesn't employ empathy often, or more likely in my eye, she doesn't grasp a good deal of it.