We could be twins! I used Fang all throughout the final act of Awakening, Golems of Amgarrak and Witch Hunt. Without knowing about the dagger, I had also named my dog 'Fang,' so it was a happy coincidence. And I romanced Leliana to boot.
Of course, my CE Warden is male, so ...
That still counts for twins! We'd be...uh...what's the English word for zweieiig?
fraternal?
That still counts for twins! We'd be...uh...what's the English word for zweieiig?
Like Cersei and Jaime Lannister, minus the incest. 
Conventionally, most people that I know of think of Leliana's Song as the 'true' story, with Leliana having, um, related a somewhat less true version when telling the Warden. But I have a hard time reconciling the Leliana of the romance arc with a Leliana who met her girlfriend's mother before she died and who could share memories, commiserate, and so on but doesn't do any of that and instead lies about it for no reason.
In lieu of an alternative explanation, I choose to believe that she'd tell the truth about it eventually, because otherwise that is some legit psycho stuff.
I choose to believe Leliana's Song is a revision of her origin story that includes a few nods to the CE Warden's Origin for her lover's benefit.
Oh, I do think that some of the story is true, and that her story in Origins was an abbreviated version of actual events. Sketch existed, obviously, and it's plausible that she met Dorothea in similar circumstances. But did it all happen exactly that way? I doubt it. By her own admission, the tale changes every time she tells it.
And it doesn't mesh with things that occured in DAO itself; Leliana's dialogue with Marjolaine suggests that it's unusual that she's in Ferelden, and she never makes any comments about having previously visited the Arl of Denerim's estate. And the cameos by Adaia and Vaughan ... It just feels a little too convenient.
I always thought the opening to Leliana's Song implied that it was a far from truthful account. Though that leaves it pretty odd as far as tying into the rest of the continuity goes.
That still counts for twins! We'd be...uh...what's the English word for zweieiig?
I don't know if people have already discussed this in this thread. but do you think no matter what Leliana will end up hating Mage's for the breach?
I don't know if people have already discussed this in this thread. but do you think no matter what Leliana will end up hating Mage's for the breach?
I don't think Leliana's the type of person who blames a entire group for what a minority did.
I don't know if people have already discussed this in this thread. but do you think no matter what Leliana will end up hating Mage's for the breach?
I wouldn't be suprised pretty much she is person that knows and saw that **** mages cause constantly even current situation is mages fault so well...
I don't think Leliana's the type of person who blames a entire group for what a minority did.
Well in the E3 demo they showed her after torture and she said she hated mage's and they have too much power.
So i was just thinking about if that is a mandatory plot thing or happens because you made a mistake.
Well in the E3 demo they showed her after torture and she said she hated mage's and they have too much power.
So i was just thinking about if that is a mandatory plot thing or happens because you made a mistake.
I rly doubt they will write 2 different versions of leliana and this is rather major change.
Funny thing she was one who let mages escape i hope i can mock her for her stupidity.
I don't know if people have already discussed this in this thread. but do you think no matter what Leliana will end up hating Mage's for the breach?
Not really hate, but I think she will be less pro-mage and more judgemental about them. We still don't know how that scene will develop in the finished game, so we'll see. Leliana has experience in experimenting personality changes after important events (Marjolaine's treason, her relationship with the Warden), so I don't rule it out.
Well in the E3 demo they showed her after torture and she said she hated mage's and they have too much power.
So i was just thinking about if that is a mandatory plot thing or happens because you made a mistake.
She never outright said she hates mages. If I recall she has been quite empathetic towards them in the past, she helped a few I think before the whole mess of DAI. Keeping in mind when we meet her in that scene she was being tortured by a few for who knows how many days so yeah can't really blame her for not being their biggest fan at that moment. And she's not wrong though, they do have too much power can't blame folk for being wary/fearful of them if left unchecked, they are walking nukes.
She never outright said she hates mages. If I recall she has been quite empathetic towards them in the past, she helped a few I think before the whole mess of DAI. Keeping in mind when we meet her in that scene she was being tortured by a few for who knows how many days so yeah can't really blame her for not being their biggest fan at that moment. And she's not wrong though, they do have too much power can't blame folk for being wary/fearful of them if left unchecked, they are walking nukes.
Well even anders didn't said outright that he hate templars so well in fact little characters in fiction say outright they hate someone unless you are francis
I wouldn't be suprised pretty much she is person that knows and saw that **** mages cause constantly even current situation is mages fault so well...
We know the elder one is the one pulling the strings, for pretty much everything that's happening in Thedas at the moment, in other words it's him who are to blame and the elder is clearly not a mage, he is something else...
Well even anders didn't said outright that he hate templars so well in fact little characters in fiction say outright they hate someone unless you are francis
He makes his hate pretty clear the way he talks about them and why he feels the way he does, with Leliana we can only speculate (although I suspect it's the torture that has made her pissed in the Demo rather then the entire mage thing) since we haven't had a proper talk with her since DA:O.
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We know the elder one is the one pulling the strings, for pretty much everything that's happening in Thedas at the moment, in other words it's him who are to blame and the elder is clearly not a mage, he is something else...
He makes his hate pretty clear the way he talks about them and why he feels the way he does, with Leliana we can only speculate (although I suspect it's the torture that has made her pissed in the Demo rather then the entire mage thing) since we haven't had a proper talk with her since DA:O.
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So what there is big bad demons as well but pretty much Venatori work for him and probably caused breach as most likely the elder one is creature from the fade.It is like saying we should blame only grace not mages that were under her command.
He never says that outright same with leliana he was only talking about how injust chantry and templars are when here leliana talks about that mages wonder why peoples fear them and admits they shouldn't have that power and she is correct about that.
So what there is big bad demons as well but pretty much Venatori work for him and probably caused breach as most likely the elder one is creature from the fade.It is like saying we should blame only grace not mages that were under her command.
He never says that outright same with leliana he was only talking about how injust chantry and templars are when here leliana talks about that mages wonder why peoples fear them and admits they shouldn't have that power and she is correct about that.
Who knows? we don't much of the plot other then the Elder one have planed for this to happen apparently for a long time so ultimately he has most of the blame because he set things in motion, but causing a rift of that size have obviously have needed way more power then what a few mages have on their own even the magisters needed hundreds maybe even thousands of slaves just to get into the fade and that only weakened the veil it's possible some sort magical artifact like that necklace that help cause the rift, but it must have been something more powerful then necklace considering what happened either that or the Elder one managed to cause the big rift all on his own. We'll find out when the game comes out.
He may not outright say it, but it's pretty clear he doesn't like them and Leliana had just been tortured for who knows how long, you are not a stable person if you have just been tortured and the power she refer too is probably the necklace since it can be used pierce the veil at a much fast rate then a mage can do on their own.
Who knows? we don't much of the plot other then the Elder one have planed for this to happen apparently for a long time so ultimately he has most of the blame because he set things in motion, but causing a rift of that size have obviously have needed way more power then what a few mages have on their own even the magisters needed hundreds maybe even thousands of slaves just to get into the fade and that only weakened the veil it's possible some sort magical artifact like that necklace that help cause the rift, but it must have been something more powerful then necklace considering what happened either that or the Elder one managed to cause the big rift all on his own. We'll find out when the game comes out.
He may not outright say it, but it's pretty clear he doesn't like them and Leliana had just been tortured for who knows how long, you are not a stable person if you have just been tortured and the power she refer too is probably the necklace since it can be used pierce the veil at a much fast rate then a mage can do on their own.
We already saw torned veil caused by a single mage specifically by Baroness and it isn't to go into the fade only torn veil what mage can simple do by using magic.But as you said we will have to wait but still pretty much clear that mages had big involvement in this as we saw.
Of course but never said outright so player was forced came up with that by his reactions as here pretty much reaction isn't very mage loving to point that many bring up question if she will hate mages.
I always thought the opening to Leliana's Song implied that it was a far from truthful account. Though that leaves it pretty odd as far as tying into the rest of the continuity goes.
This.
The narration by Leliana that bookends the DLC gameplay implies that she was not entirely truthful about the tale, and changed some details to suit her audience. It's kind of like the initial intro of DA2 turning out to be one of Varric's exaggerations.
I think where details in the DLC and the backstory Leliana told the Warden differ, the dialogue to the Warden is the truthful account.
Well even anders didn't said outright that he hate templars so well in fact little characters in fiction say outright they hate someone unless you are francis
It's pretty obvious with Anders and near impossible to shut him up about it
Throughout the game he moans and moans and beats you over the head about how much he is oppressed, and what is the cause of his oppression, Templars and the Chantry.
I'm doubtful Leliana hates mages she obviously wasn't in the right frame of mind in that scene due to the torture.
Well, one of the more bizarre things about German military performance and effectiveness in the war is that, for whatever reason, a lot of the hobby-historians that harp on how amazing the Wehrmacht supposedly was focus on an extremely limited set of events. Sure, if you cherry-pick the Nazis' best campaigns, they're going to look like world-beaters. But the German military also piled up horrendous casualties in a lot of its operations, even if they were often successful (for a limited definition of the word 'successful'). And it virtually collapsed twice in the summer of 1944: in both west (COBRA) and east (BAGRATION). Both times, the Wehrmacht was on the losing end of an incredibly disastrous and humiliating defeat. Yet for the German military's fanboys - and it's sad that such a term even exists to accurately describe a group of people - neither the defeat in France nor the total destruction of Army Group Center says anything about the overall quality of the Wehrmacht. It's bizarre.
I mean, some American formations, like their 82nd Airborne, took on vastly superior German numbers and won every time, on both offense and defense. Similar examples exist in the British and Soviet armies. Germany did not exactly have a lock on elite troops or amazing victories.
Obviously, the Wehrmacht did do some...spectacular...things in the war, and its numerous defeats don't erase the victories. But to subsume those defeats under the rubric of "overwhelming numbers" or "the Germans beat themselves" is ahistorical and frankly pretty disturbing - examples of the sort of chauvinism that, back home, would make one the butt of this video. Somehow, though, I see this opinion all the time when I teach history to Americans. This country is weird.
I am going to have to disagree with you about the "land war in Asia" bit but otherwise good post.
Mmm i am not a german army fanboy, nor would i call myself a historian, to be frank i studied the second world war because it intertwined sharply with my own family. Beyond that, I do agree the Germans were on the losing end of some horrible campaigns, But as i said think the myth persists because they also won some fairly impressive victories.
Honestly if i hear about Rommel in Tunisia one more time i would scream, now Model in the Westwall... i can stand to hear...Model doesn't get enough love.
But yeah, to me it's just history that like many effected my own.
As in we had to bury a lot of people during and after it, But that can discussed later in a PM if you are interested in hearing old family war tales, Anyway
I had to throw in a reference to the princess bride when discussing the invasion of the soviet union, i am only human after all.
We already saw torned veil caused by a single mage specifically by Baroness and it isn't to go into the fade only torn veil what mage can simple do by using magic.But as you said we will have to wait but still pretty much clear that mages had big involvement in this as we saw.
Of course but never said outright so player was forced came up with that by his reactions as here pretty much reaction isn't very mage loving to point that many bring up question if she will hate mages.
That she did, but it took time my guess years by the sound of it and multiple sacrifices and even then the rift wasn't as big as the one we saw in DA:I and the one in DA:I also grows the one in DA:A doesn't which indicates some unknown magic is at work.
You have to pretty daft if you don't get he hates Templars he practically hits over the head with stick. Considering the situation it's not surprising give her some time to calm and she most likely change her tone once her head is back together.
That she did, but it took time my guess years by the sound of it and multiple sacrifices and even then the rift wasn't as big as the one we saw in DA:I and the one in DA:I also grows the one in DA:A doesn't which indicates some unknown magic is at work.
You have to pretty daft if you don't get he hates Templars he practically hits over the head with stick. Considering the situation it's not surprising give her some time to calm and she most likely change her tone once her head is back together.
Rifts were there because rather what she did before she "died" otherwise peoples couldn't live there.
He heate them but as i said he never said it outright leaving it to player deduce that by his lines same in leliana case.
Rifts were there because rather what she did before she "died" otherwise peoples couldn't live there.
He heate them but as i said he never said it outright leaving it to player deduce that by his lines same in leliana case.
I hate to point out the fact she made blood magic rituals apparently to keep herself young that weakened veil which allowed her to do what she did before she "died" and I wouldn't be surprised if she sacrificed a few lives in order to power a spell on that scale, magic still require power and a spell like that requires much more then a mage can do their own.
We had two full games with him, with Leliana we had a small demo it's to early to judge her what her views will be after such an treatment.
minus the incest.
Best part of their relationship.
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