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[JakeLeTDK]

He doesn't speak the truth about the warden far from it... Plus we know the Rose was a real thing because Alistair plucks it and gives it to the female romanced warden

This. Honestly I think what the Guardian said was more of a different point of view, opposite with what characters believe in to challenge their faith and determination. It makes sense since the whole Gauntlet thing was to prove whether or not you are worthy. I wouldn't call that the truth. 

 

Anyhow, now my warden is jealous. Why can't my sweet Leliana look like that I demand Origins HD remake!!!! lol

[TheKomandorShepard]

This. Honestly I think what the Guardian said was more of a different point of view, opposite with what characters believe in to challenge their faith and determination. It makes sense since the whole Gauntlet thing was to prove whether or not you are worthy. I wouldn't call that the truth. 

 

Anyhow, now my warden is jealous. Why can't my sweet Leliana look like that I demand Origins HD remake!!!! lol

What he said about sten he confirmed it

What he said about oghren he confirmed it

What he said about wynne she confirmed it

What he said about Alistair he confirmed it
What he said about zevran he confirmed it 

What he said about the warden was truth.

[Lenimph]

Her vision was a dream. She admits it to be so but it was the rose that proved to her that the maker was reaching out to her , as her personal belief. The guardian tries to guilt trip the Dalish warden and accuses them of feeling guilty for Tamlen. Which is not true depending on how you rp it so what makes what he says about Leliana true just because some of the other companions agree with the spirit.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Her vision was a dream. She admits it to be so but it was the rose that proved to her that the maker was reaching out to her , as her personal belief. The guardian tries to guilt trip the Dalish warden and accuses them of feeling guilty for Tamlen. Which is not true depending on how you rp it so what makes what he says about Leliana true just because some of the other companions agree with the spirit.

He didn't told that warden felt guilty for Tamlen he asked if he felt guilty about tamlen that same for every origin.That is not prove simple she could see rose that is nothing if you want see signs from the god you will found them everywhere you want. 

[thats1evildude]

What he said about oghren he confirmed it

Just a note: he never actually says anything about Oghren. Oghren pre-emptively castigates himself.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Just a note: he never actually says anything about Oghren. Oghren pre-emptively castigates himself.

He started saying about him then oghren gets what is his point and says yep he wanted be better.

 

only morrigan was safe as she refused to play his games.

[thats1evildude]

Not just Morrigan. Shale's reaction to the Guardian is also, "eh, whatever."

 

The Guardian does possess insight into each character's past, but keep in mind that his purpose is to challenge pilgrims seeking Andraste's Ashes by questioning the strength of their convictions. The fact that he lets Leliana pass after she affirms her belief indicates that she passed his test.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Not just Morrigan. Shale's reaction to the Guardian is also, "eh, whatever."

 

The Guardian does possess insight into each character's past, but keep in mind that his purpose is to challenge pilgrims seeking Andraste's Ashes by questioning the strength of their convictions. The fact that he lets Leliana pass after she affirms her belief indicates that she passed his test.

There is no test no matter what you say wether you feel guilt or not or just refuse speak about that guardian always allows you pass as he said he isn't there to test chamber were test.Also he did same with morrigan she didn't gave him answer and yet he allowed her pass. 

[thats1evildude]

It is a test - albeit an entirely voluntary one - because it would be pretty nonsensical if it wasn't.

 

"Oh, hello there. Welcome to this ancient fortress containing a holy relic that I've been guarding for centuries. BTW, do you ever feel guilty about scarring your younger brother in a kickball accident when you were five?"

 

Strange way to greet people. 

[Pateu]

There is no test no matter what you say wether you feel guilt or not or just refuse speak about that guardian always allows you pass as he said he isn't there to test chamber were test.Also he did same with morrigan she didn't gave him answer and yet he allowed her pass.

 

The Guardian already knows what the character feels.

 

The response is irrelevant to him, it is only there for us to hear.

[TheKomandorShepard]

It is a test - albeit an entirely voluntary one - because it would be pretty nonsensical if it wasn't.

 

"Oh, hello there. Welcome to this ancient fortress containing a holy relic that I've been guarding for centuries. BTW, do you ever feel guilty about scarring your younger brother in a kickball accident when you were five?"

 

Strange way to greet people. 

 

That wasn't test in fact he outright states that there are 4 tests and we have 4 chambers with tests of faith (funny thing only 1 of those is test on faith...) and pretty much he said he isn't one who will judge whether you're worthy ashes or not.

 

 

The Guardian already knows what the character feels.

 

The response is irrelevant to him, it is only there for us to hear.

 

In our character case he didn't it can be seen if you tell him that you won't talk about that he can't tell what you feel same spirit of your past can't tell unless you tell them what you feel.In every other case (companion) he knows what they feel.

[Han Shot First]

Character fandom shouldn't blind you to that character's faults.

 

Given that the Guardian's insight into every other companion proved accurate, that must also be the case with Leliana. She lied when she said the Maker had spoken to her in a vision.

[thats1evildude]

I'd like the character even if she was lying. But I don't believe she is regardless of how some people choose to interpret the Guardian's words.

[Iakus]

Character fandom shouldn't blind you to that character's faults.

 

Given that the Guardian's insight into every other companion proved accurate, that must also be the case with Leliana. She lied when she said the Maker had spoken to her in a vision.

 

"And you.   Why do you say the Maker speaks to you, when all know that the Maker has left?  He spoke only to Andraste.  Do you believe yourself her equal?"

 

"I never said that, I..."

 

"In Orlais, you were someone.  In Lothering, you feared you would lose yourself.  Become a drab sister and disappear.  When your brothers and sisters of the cloister criticized you for what you professed, you were hurt, but you also reveled in it.  It made you special.  You enjoyed the attention, even if it was negative"

 

"You're saying I made it up for, for the attention?  I did not, I know what I believe!"

 

Interestingly, the Guardian doesn't seem to be questioning the validity of Leliana's claim.  He's questioning Leliana's humility.  He's intimating that she's not the humble servant of the Maker she claims to be.  Whether she's crazy, lying, or genuinely hearing the Maker is irrelevant.  He's questioning that she was using the claim to seek attention, rather than doing the Maker's work without that added detail.

[TheKomandorShepard]

In fact if you put everything together that what guardian said about her have sense she says that she was lonely and could make that up thing with maker after you have done her quest.If you refuse take her to your party ou can ask about her bartender and says she often sit there alone staring at the window.In fact more you know about her less her vision becomes plausible.

 

In first sentence he cursh her why do she think that maker speaks to her as he left then accuse her for lying it wasn't questioning it was same what he was telling about other companions that she wanted attention and because she made that up.

[Maria Caliban]

Character fandom shouldn't blind you to that character's faults.
 
Given that the Guardian's insight into every other companion proved accurate, that must also be the case with Leliana. She lied when she said the Maker had spoken to her in a vision.

The Guardian doesn't provide insight for most companions; he asks them questions. He asks Alistiar whether he regrets Duncan's death and not doing more, he asks Sten about the family he murdered, and he asks Zevren about his assassinations. Morrigan and Oghren both interrupt him. He only provides insight into Wynne and Leliana, and both of them disagree with his assessment.

Leliana says that she truly believes in her vision while Wynne says she's sometimes doubts herself but ultimately believes she's doing the right thing.

The theme of the conversation isn't perfect mystical understanding of others but questioning them on personal, emotional issues to understand them better.

[Hellion Rex]

Wow, that's a very good analysis, Iakus!

[stuffystuffs]

In fact if you put everything together that what guardian said about her have sense she says that she was lonely and could make that up thing with maker after you have done her quest.If you refuse take her to your party ou can ask about her bartender and says she often sit there alone staring at the window.In fact more you know about her less her vision becomes plausible.

 

In first sentence he cursh her why do she think that maker speaks to her as he left then accuse her for lying it wasn't questioning it was same what he was telling about other companions that she wanted attention and because she made that up.

 

If she was simply making the whole vision up for attention, then why even join with the Warden?

 

Leliana believes the vision comes from the Maker (we don't know if this is true or not) and this is what motivates her to seek out the Warden and join up with the incredibly dangerous mission.  I'm not sure why she would do that if she were just making up the vision for attention.  She could run from the Blight and get more attention elsewhere.  

 

If you harden Leliana, she admits she was bored at the Chantry yet she still believes in her vision.  If she was making it all up, why not admit it at that point?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

"And you.   Why do you say the Maker speaks to you, when all know that the Maker has left?  He spoke only to Andraste.  Do you believe yourself her equal?"

 

"I never said that, I..."

 

"In Orlais, you were someone.  In Lothering, you feared you would lose yourself.  Become a drab sister and disappear.  When your brothers and sisters of the cloister criticized you for what you professed, you were hurt, but you also reveled in it.  It made you special.  You enjoyed the attention, even if it was negative"

 

"You're saying I made it up for, for the attention?  I did not, I know what I believe!"

 

Interestingly, the Guardian doesn't seem to be questioning the validity of Leliana's claim.  He's questioning Leliana's humility.  He's intimating that she's not the humble servant of the Maker she claims to be.  Whether she's crazy, lying, or genuinely hearing the Maker is irrelevant.  He's questioning that she was using the claim to seek attention, rather than doing the Maker's work without that added detail.

Indeed. His accusation was more 'Do you consider yourself a prophetess?' rather than 'Do you think your vision was valid?'

[TheKomandorShepard]

If she was simply making the whole vision up for attention, then why even join with the Warden?

 

Leliana believes the vision comes from the Maker (we don't know if this is true or not) and this is what motivates her to seek out the Warden and join up with the incredibly dangerous mission.  I'm not sure why she would do that if she were just making up the vision for attention.  She could run from the Blight and get more attention elsewhere.  

 

If you harden Leliana, she admits she was bored at the Chantry yet she still believes in her vision.  If she was making it all up, why not admit it at that point?

 

Pretty much because she wanted to leave and for same reason why she came back to the game after dao...

She wanted back her life that why she went with the warden if you won't take her she will come back to orlais play game.

 

Pretty much as i said she was lonely and wanted that vision as she says herself.

 

Nope she isn't belive in her vision... if you mean love romance dialogue it is bug and always play version for unhardened leliana

[Lenimph]

I disagree. The work she's doing for the Divine is different then what she did as a bard. It's a lot more honest spy work. Pretty sure she isn't doing the whole sleeping with people thing for info anymore. 

[Wulfram]

I don't believe she is consciously making anything up - and the Guardian doesn't say she is - but it's more likely that she was subconsciously interpreting a rather vague dream through the prism of her own desires and conscience, rather than that it was an actual vision from the maker.

[Iakus]

I don't believe she is consciously making anything up - and the Guardian doesn't say she is - but it's more likely that she was subconsciously interpreting a rather vague dream through the prism of her own desires and conscience, rather than that it was an actual vision from the maker.

 

Indeed.  That's a completely plausible interpretation of her experience.  And the whole scenerio is, I think, deliberately left open to supernatural or mundane possibilities.

[TheKomandorShepard]

I disagree. The work she's doing for the Divine is different then what she did as a bard. It's a lot more honest spy work. Pretty sure she isn't doing the whole sleeping with people thing for info anymore. 

assassination ,manipulation and playing orlesian game... sorry but she did come back to what she was doing... hardly honest work. only thing that is difference is her master nothing more oh and perhaps that she have new excuse to do that.

[Pateu]

In our character case he didn't it can be seen if you tell him that you won't talk about that he can't tell what you feel same spirit of your past can't tell unless you tell them what you feel.In every other case (companion) he knows what they feel.

 

Well, the Guardian respects your answer, as seen with Morrigan and Oghren, where he stops.

 

he probably knows the real  answer but goes along with yours anyway.