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[CrimsonHead]

According to the toolset Leliana is 26 during DAO.

[The Elder King]

There's Another reason why Leliana wouldn't have romanced Josie before escaping to Lothering. She loved Marjolaine.

[Lenimph]

Leliana was in her early twenties during Origins if I recall correctly. 

13-15 is how old Josephine was when Leliana ran away to Lothering. 13-15 is not the age of consent for most of the world, and the parts of the world where it is is frowned upon by the rest of the world. 

What I was hinting at was that Leliana was probably young (under 18) when she met Marjolaine and that saying that the writers "wouldn't go there" isn't fact. She say's Lady Cecile died when she was still young and she turned to Marjolaine because she had no where else to go. Marjolaine basically groomed her so to say that an adult being with someone who isn't techinically legal by modern terms is off limits is unlikely (since they pretty much already did it). And this would especially be true if she was in her early 20's in DA:O I dont think that if they did do it  it would be so long ago. I don't even think they have been friends for that long. It would have to be something more recent while Leliana was working for the divine. 

 

I don't think Leliana was in her early 20's though (mid or late) as she does tell Wynne that people tend to assume that she's younger then she actually is for the record.

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

I've always gotten the impression that Marjolaine picked Leliana off the streets more or less after Lady Cecile died and introduced her to the bard lifestyle, and while Leliana obviously had people on the side as business she was shown to be very possessive of Marjolaine, so I'm not really sure where a past relationship with Josephine would even have happened tbh. And Leliana is probably quite a bit older, so I'm not sure it would have happened before that.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Where was it said she was in her early 20s? I remember a conversation she had with Wynne where she said she's older than she looks. Kind of a strange statement for an early 20 year old.

I meant she was in her mid twenties in Origins.

 

There's Another reason why Leliana wouldn't have romanced Josie before escaping to Lothering. She loved Marjolaine.

Yep. 

 

What I was hinting at was that Leliana was probably young (under 18) when she met Marjolaine and that saying that the writers "wouldn't go there" isn't fact. She say's Lady Cecile died when she was still young and she turned to Marjolaine because she had no where else to go. Marjolaine basically combed her so to say that an adult being with someone who isn't techinically legal by modern terms off limits is unlikely. And this would especially be true if she was in her early 20's in DA:O I dont think that if they did do it  it would be so long ago. I don't even think they have been friends for that long. It would have to be something more recent while Leliana was working for the divine. 

 

I don't think Leliana was in her early 20's though (mid or late) as she does tell Wynne that people tend to assume that she's younger then she actually is for the record.

I do like the thought of them being childhood friends though, even if Leliana is around a decade older. Reminds me of Cornelia and Euphemia from Code Geass, except they were sisters instead of just friends like Josephine and Leliana. 

[Lenimph]

I've always gotten the impression that Marjolaine picked Leliana off the streets more or less after Lady Cecile died and introduced her to the bard lifestyle, and while Leliana obviously had people on the side as business she was shown to be very possessive of Marjolaine, so I'm not really sure where a past relationship with Josephine would even have happened tbh. And Leliana is probably quite a bit older, so I'm not sure it would have happened before that.

It's possible that Marjolaine already had been aware of Leliana even before the death of Lady Cecile, given her profession.

 

Gawd their relationship is really effed up when you think about it for as long as I have...  ( almost 5 years now lol)

[Basement Cat]

To add to this: I don't think bard! Leliana would have been the type to make friends with someone like Josephine. I think it more likely that she met her after she found her faith.

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

To add to this: I don't think bard! Leliana would have been the type to make friends with someone like Josephine. I think it more likely that she met her after she found her faith.

Wasn't she in Lothering's chantry most of the time? Unless you mean post DAO, and she actually met her as Sister Nightingale. Which I suppose could have happened, she'd have more reason to be in Antiva then.

A past relationship would be even more unlikely then.

[cpskull]

woah, thanks for sourcing my gifs of Leliana in here!

Also, on topic (idk what you've mentioned bc I'm not going through all 270 pages on this topic), Leliana could have met Josephine after the Blight, I mean I'm not certain on the time gap between each game, but it's plausible. Or perhaps, if religious, Josie might have also been a sister of the Chantry, or at least with some link to that (maybe a loved one died and she went to mourn, idk). I'm sure it'll be revealed much more as the game progresses.

[Lenimph]

I really do think they had to have met post DA:O. Josephine would have been too young for them to have any reason to have interacted. Unless Josephine was already courting and going to parties at 13-15.... 

 

From my own experience as a queer woman and what I have seen among my queer female peers I personally just have a problem believing that two women who fancy women that also get along very well have not had any feelings arise over time. I do think it probably came up at some point. But that's just my 2 cents...   

[Basement Cat]

Wasn't she in Lothering's chantry most of the time? Unless you mean post DAO, and she actually met her as Sister Nightingale. Which I suppose could have happened, she'd have more reason to be in Antiva then.

A past relationship would be even more unlikely then, though.

Yeah. I'm thinking they might have been introduced by Divine Justinia even. Or at least on her recommendation. 

 

I really do think they had to have met post DA:O. Josephine would have been too young for them to have any reason to have interacted. Unless Josephine was already courting and going to parties at 13-15.... 

 

From my own experience as a queer woman and what I have seen among my queer female peers I personally just have a problem believing that two women who fancy women that also get along very well have not had any feelings arise over time. I do think it probably came up at some point. But that's just my 2 cents...   

I doubt it. Josephine is said to be 'a rising star' among diplomats. That leads me to think she hasn't been doing it for too long. 6-7 years tops, which would mean she started in her early 20s. 6-7 years is still enough to qualify as old friends. 

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

If they did meet after DAO and potentially had a relationship of sorts for a while, I imagine all it's gonna be is a few lines of flavour dialogue that's dependent on Leliana being romanced or not in DAO.

Guess we'll see soon enough.

[JakeLeTDK]

I hope I'm not the only one on this, but I actually like dark serious Leliana more than her DAO religious, somewhat naive self. Ahh my warden, where art thou?? i want to see warden and her together again XD

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I really do think they had to have met post DA:O. Josephine would have been too young for them to have any reason to have interacted. Unless Josephine was already courting and going to parties at 13-15.... 

I can see Josephine accompanying her mother or something. Learn the ropes and witness how it works first hand. And while doing so she meets Leliana, either before or during her bard days. 

[KC_Prototype]

According to the toolset Leliana is 26 during DAO.

That actually make perfect sense, goes with being older than she looks but still young.

[AresKeith]

According to the toolset Leliana is 26 during DAO.

 

I remember devs saying not to take the toolsets serious

[mrcrazyman]

I remember devs saying not to take the toolsets serious

I somewhat recall them saying that the toolset ages were directions for the VAs. That said I think it's fairly close in Lelis case

 

Edit found it

 

http://forum.bioware...uests/?p=461704

 

 

 

Ahhhh... that's info for the VO people. It's an apparent age and gives a range for the actor, not his actual age.

 

[Achaewa]

The rose was not part of her vision. The rose is what she saw after she woke up from her dream/vision that morning in the chantry garden that made her feel as if something was reaching out to her. If you flirt with Alistair it will eventually be revealed that he picked this rose and will give it to the warden as a token of his feelings. 

 

I never said the rose was part of her vision.

 

 

well, the lone rose thing does not necessarily pertain to the number of people who survived.... it might be the one who rose above the rest, etc.  and technically could be interpreted as the warden, hawke, or the inquisitor.... so im thinkin the maker just said "here ya go, not gonna tell ya who it pertains to, but meh good enough"  (and before you go sayin that there wasnt any "darkness" in da2, da2 the whole game was the darkness)

 

Why the hell would I say DA2 wasn't dark?

 

I will say that while the overall storyline is dark in DA2. The game itself is more lighthearted. Centering on minor conflicts and events that eventually lead to a larger ones. So more light than dark compared to DA:O - in my opinion.

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In the end it was just a funny theory I read and not something I actually believe. Still it is vague enough to basically symbolize any main character in the series.

 

Anyway, back on topic.

 

Do you think Leliana will or can die in the game? From the looks of it, she's an NPC so it's not out of the question and since the Redcliffe gameplay ends on a cliffhanger... it could be possible, right?

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

I doubt advisers can die, given how integral they are to a major game mechanic. 

 

The only time I could see them actually dying is at the very end of the game when that might not matter anymore - but even then, you can continue playing after the credits apparently. 

[mrcrazyman]

I find this part relevant from her character interview with Sheryl http://www.dragonage...profile-leliana

 

 

[SC]: Leliana’s Song shared her backstory, establishing her relationship with the woman who would become the Divine. In Dragon Age: Origins, Leliana is coming to terms with her past and trying to figure out who she is. In Dragon Age II, and the Asunder and Masked Empire novels, we see Leliana in her role as Left Hand of the Divine. It’s been a long road for her, and in Inquisition, we’ll get to see how her journey has shaped her as a person, and where the path might take her in the future.

 

Maybe dying in endgame is possible but the last line seems to suggest she has a future outside this game. (unless I'm misinterpreting and 'future' means the duration of DA:I) 

[saMoorai]

I find this part relevant from her character interview with Sheryl http://www.dragonage...profile-leliana

 

Maybe dying in endgame is possible but the last line seems to suggest she has a future outside this game. (unless I'm misinterpreting and 'future' means the duration of DA:I) 

 

 

Well, she does still have a Warden to find. 

[Achaewa]

Well, she does still have a Warden to find. 

Depending on the years between Origins and Inquisition, it wouldn't really matter if she eventually found the Warden, since the latter would only have around twenty years left to live. Or maybe she/he is already long dead.

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

Depending on the years between Origins and Inquisition, it wouldn't really matter if she eventually found the Warden, since the latter would only have around twenty years left to live. Or maybe she/he is already long dead.

20 years is still time...

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

you can continue playing after the credits apparently.