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[TheKomandorShepard]

So if i will crush mages i won't get that quest? Shame i hoped on karmic strike for leliana.

 

But at least it shows why you shouldn't deal with mages.

[Black Jimmy]

Almost makes the scene when she snaps her torturers neck a lot less sexy, huh?

 

If sending Leliana seems like the optimal choice when it comes up, I may have to force myself not to metagame

 

But for now, I'm thinking Cullen.

[Xilizhra]

Would be quite unexpected if that turns out to be the optimal choice here, Alexius as a potential ally perhaps? 

The big challenge would be actually convincing him that the Inquisition has a chance against the Elder One, as he seems motivated mostly by despair.

[Sifr]

I will send her there to punish her for what she did in asunder her naiviety to free mages caused war and now mages will destroy her life. I couldn't dream about more fitting punishment for her.

 

Yeah, but TKS, using that logic, because she ran away with an apostate and went onto raise children who also had magical talent, you're saying that Leandra had it coming when she got brutally murdered by an insane blood mage over twenty odd years later?

 

You're saying that by doing something out of love or the goodness of your heart, you deserve it when something bad happening to you in response? Because, if so, I don't think you quite understand how Karma works...?

[thats1evildude]

By that logic, Hespith deserved to be turned into a broodmother for helping Branka.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Yeah, but TKS, using that logic, because she ran away with an apostate and went onto raise children who also had magical talent, you're saying that Leandra had it coming when she got brutally murdered by an insane blood mage over twenty odd years later?

 

You're saying that by doing something out of love or the goodness of your heart, you deserve it when something bad happening to you in response? Because, if so, I don't think you quite understand how Karma works...?

She freed mages causing mage-templar war then she was screwd by rebel mages and their friends fitting punishment for her own stupidity considering she roam free walking bombs spreading chaos.

 

Now you pretty much try paint me as ridiculous by using own example that have no sense, Leandra died because psycho-mage got her what was completly unrelated to hawke or her family nor she was responsible for quentin being free leandra was just in wrong place in wrong time while leliana caused whole war by helping mages spread destruction and chaos ignoring dangers of magic.  

[SomeoneStoleMyName]

Spoiler

I always blamed my warden for not being able to romance Leliana in DA:I. 

So my cannon story was to be warden = dead because of it.

But I now see a better option... that [the Warden + Leliana alive + this] can be an even better outcome. I think this may be a better revenge against the warden than having him die.

[Spaghetti_Ninja]

Almost makes the scene when she snaps her torturers neck a lot less sexy, huh?

 

When was that ever sexy?

[Black Jimmy]

She freed mages causing mage-templar war then she was screwd by rebel mages and their friends fitting punishment for her own stupidity considering she roam free walking bombs spreading chaos.

 

Now you pretty much try paint me as ridiculous by using own example that have no sense, Leandra died because psycho-mage got her what was completly unrelated to hawke or her family nor she was responsible for quentin being free leandra was just in wrong place in wrong time while leliana caused whole war by helping mages spread destruction and chaos ignoring dangers of magic.  

Leliana caused the whole war? All by her self? We both know that's not remotely true. THere are hundreds of other people who helped things get as far as they did. Including Templars.

Besides, Leliana was part of a group of people who were trying to sort out the Mage/Templar problem in a peaceful way. Or does that mean nothing to you?

And it would have happened regardless of her being there or not.

And are you saying, anyone who does a good deed that spirals out of control is in need of a good mutilation? What kind of f*cked up logic is that?

[TheKomandorShepard]

Leliana caused the whole war? All by her self? We both know that's not remotely true. THere are hundreds of other people who helped things get as far as they did. Including Templars.

Besides, Leliana was part of a group of people who were trying to sort out the Mage/Templar problem in a peaceful way. Or does that mean nothing to you?

And it would have happened regardless of her being there or not.

And are you saying, anyone who does a good deed that spirals out of control is in need of a good mutilation? What kind of f*cked up logic is that?

Oh not by herself with divine and yes pretty much we can blame her and divine plus wynne and her group.Pretty much templars brought everything under control then divine with leliana freed mages and we have war.If divine and leliana left things templars would keep everything under control.

Helping thousands unstable walking bombs cause destruction isn't good deed.Pretty much same logic if you touch fire and burn yourself you deserved that for being stupid.

[Sifr]

She freed mages causing mage-templar war then she was screwd by rebel mages and their friends fitting punishment for her own stupidity considering she roam free walking bombs spreading chaos.

 

Now you pretty much try paint me as ridiculous by using own example that have no sense, Leandra died because psycho-mage got her what was completly unrelated to hawke or her family nor she was responsible for quentin being free leandra was just in wrong place in wrong time while leliana caused whole war by helping mages spread destruction and chaos ignoring dangers of magic.  

 

Leliana freed mages because it was the right thing to do.

 

Just because Adrian was a rebel rouser, it didn't mean that the other First Enchanters needed to be locked up by Lambert, who entered that conclave looking for a fight, nor did it mean that Rhys needed to be handed over, tried and executed for murder without any proof (or flimsy proof), simply because Lambert didn't like him personally and was looking for a scapegoat.

 

The example I used with Leandra was because you seemed to be saying that associating with mages was what lead to a horrible downfall, when as you correctly noted, it was completely unrelated and unforeseen. Heck, if she'd stayed and married the Comte de Launcet, she would have been in Kirkwall for Quentin to murder her years later.

 

But saying that Leliana is responsible is nonsense, because as Rhys spelled out bluntly for Lambert when they were talking to the Divine, the Rebellion was all but inevitable at this point, regardless of anything the Chantry or Templars did to stop it.

 

Leliana helping the mages didn't mean anything in the end, because when the die had already been cast, especially after Lambert attempted to shut the Conclave down by force and declared everyone a traitor, simply for having the right to vote on something as they were allowed under Chantry Law.

[GenericEnemy]

Spoiler

I always blamed my warden for not being able to romance Leliana in DA:I. 
So my cannon story was to be warden = dead because of it.
But I now see a better option... that [the Warden + Leliana alive + this] can be an even better outcome. I think this may be a better revenge against the warden than having him die.

Huh, between TKS and you, that's a bunch of f*cked up posts in a row. Should have figures this would happen now...

[TheKomandorShepard]

Leliana freed mages because it was the right thing to do.

 

Just because Adrian was a rebel rouser, it didn't mean that the other First Enchanters needed to be locked up by Lambert, who entered that conclave looking for a fight, nor did it mean that Rhys needed to be handed over, tried and executed without any proof.

 

The example I used with Leandra was because you seemed to be saying that associating with mages was what lead to a horrible downfall, when as you correctly noted, it was completely unrelated and unforeseen. Heck, if she'd stayed and married the Comte de Launcet, she would have been in Kirkwall for Quentin to murder her years later.

 

But saying that Leliana is responsible is nonsence, because as Rhys spelled out bluntly for Lambert when they were talking to the Divine, the Rebellion was all but inevitable at this point, regardless of anything the Chantry or Templars did to stop it. Leliana helping the mages didn't mean anything in the end, because when the die had already been cast, especially after Lambert attempted to shut the Conclave down by force and declared everyone a traitor, simply for having the right to vote on something as they were allowed under Chantry Law.

Leliana freed mages because she was divine tool who was just stupid and naive woman.She caused world war by freeing walking bombs.So yes she is for causing war... 

 

As i said show me where leandra freed quentin on even had to do anything with quentin situation... if something leandra should just by killed by bethany or hawke that turned into abomnation would serv her right for keeping 1/2 unstable bombs in her house despite she knew what she was doing (not rly but she knew danger)

[GenericEnemy]

E3. They mentioned they choose mages and the quest was related to that choice.
I'm not as optimistic.

Hmm...don't really want to side with the Templars, but...now I might have to.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Huh, between TKS and you, that's a bunch of f*cked up posts in a row. Should have figures this would happen now...

It's the BSN... It runs on hate and stupidity.

[TheKomandorShepard]

I didn't like what she did in Asunder, but I got to laugh at the idea of her causing the whole war. lol..WTF games have you been playing? There's a lot more to it than that.

Who freed mages please tell me (that rebelled) when mages were in prison under templars control?

[Sifr]

Leliana freed mages because she was divine tool who was just stupid and naive woman.She caused world war by freeing walking bombs.So yes she is for causing war... 

 

Because Meredith and Lambert letting their irrational fear of something they didn't understand, wasn't the cause of any problems whatsoever?

 

Why do I have the feeling that in the X-Men films, you're rooting for the Mutant Registration Act, Stryker's Kill-Em-All plan, the Cure and the Sentinels?

[TheKomandorShepard]

Because Meredith and Lambert letting their irrational fear of something they didn't understand, wasn't the cause of any problems whatsoever?

 

Why do I have the feeling that in the X-Men films, you're rooting for the Mutant Registration Act, Stryker's Kill-Em-All plan, the Cure and the Sentinels?

Not rly as i said there wouldn't be war if divine with leliana didn't interfered not mention that pretty much leliana tasted in demo very thing she helped free despite she knew that magic is very dangerous and unstable.

 

In x-men i don't care about sides because mutants are much more stable than dragn age mages.

 

 

 

Why are you asking me? I said already I didn't like what she did.

 

But the war is bigger than just the White Spire or events of Asunder. It starts with Hawke, Anders, and Meredith. Asunder is just meant to be a compliment to DA2. Not the entire centerpiece of the war.

Kirkwall events never started war they lead to war as many things but ultimately when templars won before war even started divine along with leliana pretty much freed mages starting mage-templar war by allowing mages to start it.

[TheKomandorShepard]

But she doesn't really ascribe to the Chantry's ideas of magic in the first place. She never did. She's always been a... heretic of sorts. She believes in a Maker who intervenes and still is present in people's lives. She believes she communicates with him. And she would rather cast a blood magic ritual than execute Conner, for example.

Everyone knows how dangerous magic (at least she should know at this point) is and what it can cause she was just naive and divine tool it will be great lesson of what she did and caused and unleashed on world on her own skin.

[Serza]

Wooo, an arguement! I'd actually bring popcorn, but I'll do better if I go play Company of Heroes or XCOM.

[Xilizhra]

I don't think she ever fully accepted it's dangers. Same with Alistair. They're both Chantry friendly, but they're both naive and soft.

I would call them far more well-balanced than, say, Cullen.