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[TheKomandorShepard]

I don't think she ever fully accepted it's dangers. Same with Alistair. They're both Chantry friendly, but they're both naive and soft.

Soft assassin rly?Point is everyone sane and smart enough knows how dangerous magic is she saw many examples at least if warden recruited her (what was in case) she decided unleash mages on thedas now she is facing consequences of that (her choice) on her own skin.

[Sifr]

Everyone knows how dangerous magic (at least she should know at this point) is and what it can cause she was just naive and divine tool it will be great lesson of what she did and caused and unleashed on world on her own skin.

 

I think the following quote sums up the Mage-Templar problem in a nutshell;

 

“People fail to get along because they fear each other; they fear each other because they don't know each other; they don't know each other because they have not communicated with each other.”

 

Unless Martin Luther King Jr was talking out of his backside there? I guess continuing the centuries long traditions of fear and intolerance is far better than actually attempting to show someone peace, understanding and compassion, right?

[The Elder King]

Maybe you're right. He's extreme. Last I checked, he doesn't even think mages can be treated like people. But "weapons". That's more like a Qunari view.

From what the writers said I think he'll be different in DAI.

[introverted_assassin]

you know...some of these comments just scream "I hate women". Not going on that.

I'm thinking about the response the fem qunari gave Leliana when she took her arms out of those chains...I don't think i'd say "well that was impressive" like...this one picture filled in a lot of holes about that scene.

[TheKomandorShepard]

I think the following quote sums up the Mage-Templar problem in a nutshell;

 

“People fail to get along because they fear each other; they fear each other because they don't know each other; they don't know each other because they have not communicated with each other.”

 

Unless Martin Luther King Jr was talking out of his backside there? I guess continuing the centuries long traditions of fear and intolerance is far better than actually attempting to show someone peace, understanding and compassion, right?

I would fear mage that i know so well... this is not problem of communication because communication won't solve anything here.

 

 

 

She's not an assassin. She's a bard. She says herself she'd rather play her games out in the open, not with stealth, and win without violence. 

 

What pretty much is the same plus extra.

[raging_monkey]

I think the following quote sums up the Mage-Templar problem in a nutshell;
 
“People fail to get along because they fear each other; they fear each other because they don't know each other; they don't know each other because they have not communicated with each other.”
 
Unless Martin Luther King Jr was talking out of his backside there? I guess continuing the centuries long traditions of fear and intolerance is far better than actually attempting to show someone peace, understanding and compassion, right?

you just got my last like

[Sifr]

I would fear mage that i know so well... this is not problem of communication because communication won't solve anything here.

 

Ironic, because now you sound like Anders...

[TheKomandorShepard]

Ironic, because now you sound like Anders...

Well if i sound like anders he had to be right at least here.

[Black Jimmy]

Soft assassin rly?Point is everyone sane and smart enough knows how dangerous magic is she saw many examples at least if warden recruited her (what was in case) she decided unleash mages on thedas now she is facing consequences of that (her choice) on her own skin.

Most people don't think it's justifiable to punish someone for what they might do.

And it's not like every mage is on the verge of going crazy. Kirkwall excluded because of the ancient city wide blood magic ritual and being in close proximity to Corypheus.

Hell, even the Anders/Justice thing may have gone better if he had gone literally anywhere else.

Modifié par Black Jimmy, 11 novembre 2014 - 08:52 .

[TheKomandorShepard]

Most people don't think it's justifiable to punish someone for what they might do.

And it's not like every mage is on the verge of going crazy. Kirkwall excluded because of the ancient city wide blood magic ritual and being in close proximity to Corypheus.

Well so leliana faced consequences of her decision and not "punishing" mages for what they might to do ,i don't think she held same opinion after feeling it on her own skin.

So yes it is all about what mages can do and what they often do as in fact setting shows not mention that kirkwall just one of many places where mages caused destruction.

[Hallbjorn]

The ghost of my warden just screamed while looking at the picture.  I cannot send her into harms way like that!  Who are the other options?  Cullen could bring the hammer I feel.  Plus I am still iffy on him.  I mean, he was a templar right?  Sooo he can go.

 

But yeah atleast on my first playthrough she cannot go, my wardens ghost will not allow it.

[Hallbjorn]

Well so leliana faced consequences of her decision and not "punishing" mages for what they might to do ,i don't think she held same opinion after feeling it on her own skin.

So yes it is all about what mages can do and what they often do as in fact setting shows not mention that kirkwall just one of many places where mages caused destruction.

Lets just invoke the global Right of Annulment, eh?! 

 

You speak in circles.

[Drasanil]

Most people don't think it's justifiable to punish someone for what they might do.

 

It's not punishment, it's containment, there's a difference. The circles were never meant to be some form of punishment. They're more like munition depots with free housing, education and higher standard of living than 90%+ of Thedas' population. 

[raging_monkey]

Lets just invoke the global Right of Annulment, eh?! 
 
You speak in circles.

i say this anytime. TKS is near... dont engage him its bull 99% of the time

[TheKomandorShepard]

Lets just invoke the global Right of Annulment, eh?! 

 

You speak in circles.

Pretty sure it would spare many quests where i have to clean after mages in fact i wouldn't have to deal with 3/4 main quests in dao so im fine with that.

 

 

 

i say this anytime. TKS is near... dont engage him its bull 99% of the time

It is "bull" you can't argue with because it is truth so your only defense is call it "bull".

[Jaison1986]

Well so leliana faced consequences of her decision and not "punishing" mages for what they might to do ,i don't think she held same opinion after feeling it on her own skin.

So yes it is all about what mages can do and what they often do as in fact setting shows not mention that kirkwall just one of many places where mages caused destruction.

 

That could be an truthful assertion had she been tortured by the same people she freed, wich did NOT happen. 

 

Funny, you fear mages, and yet some of them are the most moral people I met in the game. Bethany, Wynne, Merrill (yeah, she does an lot of stupid things, but she is an incredibly nice person once you get past the whole mirror plot).

 

Mages are dangerous, but so are templars, who kill with swords brought by fear and religious zealotry. Merrill says it best:"Fear makes men more dangerous then magic ever could".

[Black Jimmy]

Well so leliana faced consequences of her decision and not "punishing" mages for what they might to do ,i don't think she held same opinion after feeling it on her own skin.

So yes it is all about what mages can do and what they often do as in fact setting shows not mention that kirkwall just one of many places where mages caused destruction.

You say it as if it's a guarenteed outcome. If it's not simply because she was sent, then you may inadvertently cause her to succeed.

 

But not every mage causes destruction. As far I'm aware, there's no incidents are bad as Kirkwall.

 

And honestly, I don't care if you disagree with me about the whole Mage/Templar thing. My problem is that you're willing to mutilate a person because things turned out badly when she tried to do good. There's no morally justifiable way of phrasing that, it's just sick.

 

Off topic though, I've only seen you join character thread and say negative things about them. Is that all you do? If not, then I apolagise.

[TheKomandorShepard]

That could be an truthful assertion had she been tortured by the same people she freed, wich did NOT happen. 

 

Funny, you fear mages, and yet some of them are the most moral people I met in the game. Bethany, Wynne, Merrill (yeah, she does an lot of stupid things, but she is an incredibly nice person once you get past the whole mirror plot).

 

Mages are dangerous, but so are templars, who kill with swords brought by fear and religious zealotry. Merrill says it best:"Fear makes men more dangerous then magic ever could".

She helped cause war what was problem in redcliff in first case and reason why mages were there.

 

Morality doesn't matter when you can be possessed by demon or cause massive disaster by screwing somethig up.

 

Don't compare knife to nuclear bomb.

[DarkKnightHolmes]

Pretty sure it would spare many quests where i have to clean after mages in fact i wouldn't have to deal with 3/4 main quests in dao so im fine with that.

Is this a picture of you by any chance:

 

[raging_monkey]

That could be an truthful assertion had she been tortured by the same people she freed, wich did NOT happen. 
 
Funny, you fear mages, and yet some of them are the most moral people I met in the game. Bethany, Wynne, Merrill (yeah, she does an lot of stupid things, but she is an incredibly nice person once you get past the whole mirror plot).
 
Mages are dangerous, but so are templars, who kill with swords brought by fear and religious zealotry. Merrill says it best:"Fear makes men more dangerous then magic ever could".

funny how most dont see that broad stroke arguments are templars best weapon

[Black Jimmy]

It's not punishment, it's containment, there's a difference. The circles were never meant to be some form of punishment. They're more like munition depots with free housing, education and higher standard of living than 90%+ of Thedas' population. 

That description ignores the fact that Mages are people.

And I'm not interested in the Mage/Templar thing. It's the view of "punishing" Leliana that bothers me.

[raging_monkey]

He doesn't sound like a Templar friendly player though. More like a Qunari.
 
Anytime people start labeling mages as weapons or walking bombs, they're treading Qunari territory. Some Templars (like Cullen) share this perspective, but the Order usually doesn't.

nah qunari can be reasoned with so he's not that. From what ive read of his post seems like something else