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[Sifr]

Sigh, this again. It would have been a waste of rescources, just go and romance her in Origins. Or just change the romance tile in the keep. Geez it's not that hard is it?

I also have noticed that those who want Leliana back,(in most cases) tend to be the males who complain and whinge about how 'ugly' cass and josie are. It really does remind me of a toddler who is spoilt. The toddler usually gets red jelly; and when he is served green jelly he throws it back, cries, and throws himself to the floor.

 

It would have been no more a waste of resources than that of all the other romances they added in the extra time they were granted, even though I'm personally fine with the options that we do have available, both male and female.

 

It's also hardly think it's fair to call people who wanted to romance her in Inquisition spoiled toddlers or tell them to just go back to Origins if they want to experience romance with her, as that's basically ignoring the fact that so many people did want another shot at romance with her, especially if they didn't romance her in Origins?

 

For me, part of the reason I would have liked the option basically boils down to character development on her part. While I loved her character in Origins, frankly, she's become far more interesting in my opinion because of all of her experiences over the past decade, from being the Hand of the Divine, to her role in DA2, the novels and helping reform the Inquisition with Cass.

 

I can understand Bioware's reasoning for not including her as a romance option, due to her past potential romance with the Warden and that a romance might not fit the story, but I dislike that there is such dismissal towards anyone who wanted that romance, when they're allowed to express that opinion? After all, if we didn't all love Leliana, why would people care if she were romancable or not?

 

It strikes me odd that people were equally crushed when Varric wasn't made a LI, yet I don't think I've seen anyone come down on Varricmancers with such vitriol at those who wanted a Leliana romance? Especially as the same could be said of which gender wanted that romance the most, as it seems that the majority of (but not all) Varricmancers tend to be female?

 

Spoilers for redcliffe regarding Lelianas famed appearance change (Dont complain about spoilers, consider yourself warned. But note that I HAVE tried to keep it at an absolute minimum).

Spoiler

The writers got lazy and used the worst possible narrative tool in existence. Time travel. Yes, they went there. Suffice to say Leliana's change is happening in a parallel universe. Her transformation never really happened even if it happens.  

 

I don't know, I like the explanation and the resolution.

 

Spoiler

While timey-wimey plots can be difficult to pull of, showing a Dark Future ups the stakes for what happens if the Inquisition fails. Furthermore, while it never happened to "our" Leliana, it did happen to "that" Leliana and the people in that reality and doesn't make their suffering any less tragic.

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

Can we stop talking about the prospect of a Leliana DA:I romance and talk about ALL THESE WARDEN/LELIANA FEELS.

 

srsly

[Sifr]

Can we stop talking about the prospect of a Leliana DA:I romance and talk about ALL THESE WARDEN/LELIANA FEELS.

 

srsly

 

Aye, sorry, just felt the need to point out the slight double-standard.

 

You're right, damn there are a lot of feels there! Have you seen the unromanced one?

 

Spoiler

Before they disappeared, the Warden apparently wrote to her regularly, with kind words and advice whenever she needed it.

 

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

Aye that sounds pretty sweet too. Romanced one totally validated my headcanon though. 

 

Shame those converstations seem a bit easily missed. 

[Todrazok]

This is very sweet, we couldn't have gotten a better reference.

Also the warden did have his journal in DAO. I like the idea that the warden-commander was invested in sending out letters .

[Sifr]

This is very sweet, we couldn't have gotten a better reference.

Also the warden did have his journal in DAO. I like the idea that the warden-commander was invested in sending out letters .

 

It also fits nicely with the epilogue of Awakening where the Warden helps Oghren with his letters to Felsi and his kid.

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

And since she said 

 

Spoiler

 

"I will join her. For good, this time."

 

 

Y'all better not go back on that in DA4 this time, BioWer. Else I'll smack you, m8. 4realz.

[AWTEW]

It would have been no more a waste of resources than that of all the other romances they added in the extra time they were granted, even though I'm personally fine with the options that we do have available, both male and female.

It's also hardly think it's fair to call people who wanted to romance her in Inquisition spoiled toddlers or tell them to just go back to Origins if they want to experience romance with her, as that's basically ignoring the fact that so many people did want another shot at romance with her, especially if they didn't romance her in Origins?

For me, part of the reason I would have liked the option basically boils down to character development on her part. While I loved her character in Origins, frankly, she's become far more interesting in my opinion because of all of her experiences over the past decade, from being the Hand of the Divine, to her role in DA2, the novels and helping reform the Inquisition with Cass.

I can understand Bioware's reasoning for not including her as a romance option, due to her past potential romance with the Warden and that a romance might not fit the story, but I dislike that there is such dismissal towards anyone who wanted that romance, when they're allowed to express that opinion? After all, if we didn't all love Leliana, why would people care if she were romancable or not?

It strikes me odd that people were equally crushed when Varric wasn't made a LI, yet I don't think I've seen anyone come down on Varricmancers with such vitriol at those who wanted a Leliana romance? Especially as the same could be said of which gender wanted that romance the most, as it seems that the majority of (but not all) Varricmancers tend to be female?



I don't know, I like the explanation and the resolution.

Spoiler

While timey-wimey plots can be difficult to pull of, showing a Dark Future ups the stakes for what happens if the Inquisition fails. Furthermore, while it never happened to "our" Leliana, it did happen to "that" Leliana and the people in that reality and doesn't make their suffering any less tragic.

So, you think her character is suddenly better? That's your reasoning to have her back as a romance? That is not viable, either because the same could be said for the other returnig characters, like Morrigan/ Allistar ect.

Varric was never a romance option in any other game; so their dissapointment is more understandable. Also Varricmancers are not whinging about how ugly the other LI's are.
Why would people care?

1- It would mean a new character would have to be scrapped, in placemof an OLD character.
2- Not everyone likes Lelliana
3- It would be pandering to some prevlidged male players who are throwing tantrums.
4- Bioware would be going against their equality image, that they keep talking agout at cons.
5- More content for other groups> than content for the already excessivly catered to male players in the overall game market.
6- She was already romanceable in DAO.
7- It will ****** off a lot of people.

[Muspade]

5- More content for other groups> than content for the already excessivly catered to male players..

Excessively? Huh.

[AWTEW]

Excessively? Huh.

In the overall game market..Should have put that there 'edits'

Too tired to argue more of this. I'm sure someone more capable can explain better than I.

[Handsome Jack]

And since she said 

 

Spoiler

 

"I will join her. For good, this time."

 

 

Y'all better not go back on that in DA4 this time, BioWer. Else I'll smack you, m8. 4realz.

 

This. So much. I'm so happy to see my Warliana headcanon matched too.

[N7_Heartfire]

Well I found a video that explains how she got resurrected for those meanies that killed her

Spoiler

starts at 1:44

So, after watching the video...

Spoiler

it still doesn't reveal what saved Leliana in the Temple. It seems she survived the same way the Inquisitor did, approached by a certain 'spirit'. But the most interesting question is, why HER and the Inquisitor of all people. She says the Ashes were gone when she woke up, so does that mean the Maker himself saved her? I hope this is resolved somehow in Inquisition or future DLC. There seems to be some mystery involved about her origin. Even if you didn't kill her, the conversation still hints you help her find a new purpose.

Which I hope doesn't only involve...

Spoiler

her becoming the new Divine. Though it seems people who've finished the game all say she was the best candidate. Her new name, Victoria, is also very awesome.

I would choose her in a heartbeat, but then I think about my Warden and I cry because I want them to be together. :/

[Sifr]

So, you think her character is suddenly better? That's your reasoning to have her back as a romance? That is not viable, either because the same could be said for the other returnig characters, like Morrigan/ Allistar ect.

 

Err, why is that not a viable reason? She's evolved as a character and why shouldn't that make her more appealing as a love interest?

 

Look at the Mass Effect series for example. In ME2 both Tali and Garrus were made LI's (yes, I know it was initially fanservice) in the second game and both of their characters had evolved significantly since the first game and as a result, their romances were some of the most popular in that series?

 

A better comparison is Liara, who in ME3 was (again) made a romance option even if you'd romanced two completely different people in the first two. Like Leliana, she'd taken metric ton of badass over the course of three games, especially after becoming the ultimate spymaster and as a result, her character was far more interesting in the third game than that of the first.

 

There will always be some people who complain for complaining's sake, sure, but you shouldn't dismiss the point entirely just because of them. That'd be like saying that the Mages in DA are being entitled for wanting to be free of the Circles and ignoring all of their valid points for wanting to be free, all because of people like Anders, Adrian and Fiona who decided it was better to throw down rather than seek a solution peacefully?

 

While it certainly sucks that Varric, Leliana and Viv weren't romance options, either due to it not fitting either the story of Inquisition or their own personal stories, my point remains that it is that unfair to ignore anyone who admits to having wanted them as being "yet more overprivileged male gamers throwing a wobbly", ignoring that there were also female gamers who may have wanted them? It's those sort of blanket statements that actually irk me far more than anything else, as people are entitled to have and express their opinions (unless they're obviously trolling).

 

But anyway, Snook was right earlier that we should probably drop this matter, lest it descend into unwanted bickering and disrupt the thread?

[Lenimph]

Sigh, this again. It would have been a waste of rescources, just go and romance her in Origins. Or just change the romance tile in the keep. Geez it's not that hard is it?

I also have noticed that those who want Leliana back,(in most cases) tend to be the males who complain and whinge about how 'ugly' cass and josie are. It really does remind me of a toddler who is spoilt. The toddler usually gets red jelly; and when he is served green jelly he throws it back, cries, and throws himself to the floor.

Cass is easily the best LI just from what I've seen from flirt opportunities as a female quizzy and it makes me a little sad that I can't have her. I can't wait to romance her as a male quizzy(Also Josie is beautiful dey cray)

I would love to trade Sera for Cass omg please. Uhg she gives me a headache... she's like everything I don't like in a woman.

THESE ARE VERY EARLY JUDGES

[AWTEW]

Err, why is that not a viable reason? She's evolved as a character and why shouldn't that make her more appealing as a love interest?

Look at the Mass Effect series for example. In ME2 both Tali and Garrus were made LI's (yes, I know it was initially fanservice) in the second game and both of their characters had evolved significantly since the first game and as a result, their romances were some of the most popular in that series?

A better comparison is Liara, who in ME3 was (again) made a romance option even if you'd romanced two completely different people in the first two. Like Leliana, she'd taken metric ton of badass over the course of three games, especially after becoming the ultimate spymaster and as a result, her character was far more interesting in the third game than that of the first.

There will always be some people who complain for complaining's sake, sure, but you shouldn't dismiss the point entirely just because of them. That'd be like saying that the Mages in DA are being entitled for wanting to be free of the Circles and ignoring all of their valid points for wanting to be free, all because of people like Anders, Adrian and Fiona who decided it was better to throw down rather than seek a solution peacefully?

While it certainly sucks that Varric, Leliana and Viv weren't romance options, either due to it not fitting either the story of Inquisition or their own personal stories, my point remains that it is that unfair to ignore anyone who admits to having wanted them as being "yet more overprivileged male gamers throwing a wobbly", ignoring that there were also female gamers who may have wanted them? It's those sort of blanket statements that actually irk me far more than anything else, as people are entitled to have and express their opinions (unless they're obviously trolling).

But anyway, Snook was right earlier that we should probably drop this matter, lest it descend into unwanted bickering and disrupt the thread?

The mass-effect series is a really bad comparision btw. That series was very much catered for straight males in romance content.Hardly, any females have complained for Lelliana to be a li in DAI, and I havnt seen a single thread requesting for Allistar/Morrigan either.Yet I have seen at least 3 threads calling the Male options ugly, and those threads often end up with posts like 'LI in DAI are ugly, they should have let us romance Lelliana.' It sucks that people couldent romance Varric and Viv, but not Lelliana because she already had a romance in DAO.

But yes, lets drop this..

[N7_Heartfire]

So, anyone run into more references to a romanced Warden by Leliana? I hope there's more than that one conversation in Haven. It was very sweet, but I hope it's not the only one.

[Espurr]

So, anyone run into more references to a romanced Warden by Leliana? I hope there's more than that one conversation in Haven. It was very sweet, but I hope it's not the only one.

 

I've only just gotten Skyhold but

Spoiler

First conversation I had with her in Skyhold she talks about how much she gave up by leaving the Warden to work for Justinia, and how her death makes it feel like she gave that up for nothing. She mentions how being with my warden made her feel like she could do anything. RIGHT IN THE FEELS, MAN. RIGHT IN THE FEELS.

[Willowhugger]

Cass is easily the best LI just from what I've seen from flirt opportunities as a female quizzy and it makes me a little sad that I can't have her. I can't wait to romance her as a male quizzy(Also Josie is beautiful dey cray)

I would love to trade Sera for Cass omg please. Uhg she gives me a headache... she's like everything I don't like in a woman.

THESE ARE VERY EARLY JUDGES

 

This seems to be a very common reaction w/ a certain part of the fanbase.

 

"I love that Bioware did a lesbian character!" *pause* "but why did it have to be Sera!?"

And no trade, Cassandra is awesome.

[N7_Heartfire]

I've only just gotten Skyhold but

Spoiler

First conversation I had with her in Skyhold she talks about how much she gave up by leaving the Warden to work for Justinia, and how her death makes it feel like she gave that up for nothing. She mentions how being with my warden made her feel like she could do anything. RIGHT IN THE FEELS, MAN. RIGHT IN THE FEELS.

Dayum. Dat lore is deep son...

So I guess the more friendly you are the more she will open up to you, and about her and the Warden.

Also, does anyone hope Leli gets to meet the OGB, since

Spoiler

both he and Morri stay at Skyhold for a while.

I think it would make a pretty interesting scene, especially since my import involves the Warden in a Leli romance, but who also did the Dark Ritual. I have this bad feeling that decision is going to backfire at that point in the game, if that scene happens. XD

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

So, anyone run into more references to a romanced Warden by Leliana? I hope there's more than that one conversation in Haven. It was very sweet, but I hope it's not the only one.

Is her seeming really, really concerned about the missing Wardens when you get Blackwall something for a romanced import? Seems like it could.

[Ravenmyste]

Leliana's pic ? Is it CGI or it's in game ? 

 thats in game

[thats1evildude]

Leliana keeps punching me in the feels EVERY ****** CONVERSATION.

[Thomas477]

Hi all, sorry if this has already been answered, but 306 pages is too many to check.

 

When is the first possible reference of the Warden by Leliana? I've just got Blackwell, and I want to make sure I imported Keep correctly.

 

Thanks.

[Lenimph]

hey so is there a non spoilery guide to avoid the whole leliana castle mess 

 

because I think im already there? looks like i have to side with the templars to avoid it? Can I really send someone else instead of her or nah because the description at the war table makes it seem otherwise... 

 

WELL I GUESS I CAN JUST RELOAD BECAUSE IM A DALISH AND SIDING WITH TEMPLARS IS NOT AN OPTION

 

:S 

[ButterRum]

Every time I check this thread, someone is complaining about not being able to romance Leliana in DAI.