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[Voragoras]

Wine, women and song...all go together. ....ooops I forgot the honey....too late...Leliana spotted me

 

You can take the girl out of Orlais, but you can't take the Orlais out of the girl.

[introverted_assassin]

She now greets my Lavellan with "yes my lady?". I'm glad because I just can't handle DAI hardened Leli. Nope. Nope times infinity. The City of Nope-tropolis.

I remember that shoes convo in Val Royeaux too

[MissDragon]

You can take the girl out of Orlais, but you can't take the Orlais out of the girl.

 

Orlais to that

[mrcrazyman]

Now I know that they're more like clunky boots rather than nice shoes but I was shocked when I saw how dirty her footwear is!

 

look at them!

 

Spoiler

[Nerdage]

They keep the dirt off the nicer shoes underneath. That's what plate armour is for.

[WardenHero]

LOOK AT THIS

ROT-13 cipher

 

http://www.reddit.co...ance_at_end_of/

 

https://twitter.com/...233470132248576

 

 

 

If Leliana becomes Divine, and romanced by Warden, does she break it off, or is the HoF the "dirty little secret"? ."

 

Patrick Weekes ‏@PatrickWeekes 4h

secret at first, then open secret, then change to rules for Divine. She favors changing the rules. @SherylChee

 

Sheryl Chee ‏@SherylChee

Oh yeah, what he said.

 

I suppose keeping the Divine's relationship with the Warden a secret is nigh impossible as it reminded me of what Morrigan and Wynne described about their relationship in Origins, if they are to be believed. 

I can imagine these 'sickeningly' sweet love birds probably gave everyone in the Orlesian court diabetes. At least it's better than whatever food they served which tastes of 'despair'.

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

I'm sticking with my non-Divine ending for my canon, but I'm admittedly kinda tempted to make at least one save where she does become Divine, just because the idea of the scandal when it's discovered the Divine's girlfriend is a Dalish heathen is kinda entertaining. 

[WardenHero]

I don't know if this is just an oversight but as soon as you talked to Leliana right after you defeated the Big Bad, she will say this:

 

Spoiler

"Despite what's happened, my loyalty to the Inquistion has not wavered. My place is always and will be here."

 

Whatever happened to "I will join him/her for good this time" with the Warden? I'll just assume Lels will try to rope the Warden into helping out with this Inquisition business after they returned from their quest, you know, become an agent in either diplomacy/spying/military. Then again, the fun stuff is already over so joining the Inquisition at this time is kinda like a moot point if you know what I mean.

[GrinningRogue]

Spoiler

"Despite what's happened, my loyalty to the Inquistion has not wavered. My place is always and will be here."

Well that's disappointing. I haven't got that, since my only finished playthrough got her as divine. What's with her swinging loyalties?

[WardenHero]

Well that's disappointing. I haven't got that, since my only finished playthrough got her as divine. What's with her swinging loyalties?

 

Some say it could be an oversight whereas some say Leliana has matured and decided that serving the people is more important than running around the world having fun with the Warden. The same goes for the part where Leliana was offered the position of becoming the next Divine. At first she wasn't sure about it but later on she'll rant to you that she'll be a better choice in becoming the Divine compared to anybody else. 

[Gamyu]

I don't remember Leliana saying that, but it's most likely because of the rushed ending, and how the Warden is not mentioned at all in the later part of the game. Yea, most likely an oversight.

[TheLittleBird]

Some say it could be an oversight whereas some say Leliana has matured and decided that serving the people is more important than running around the world having fun with the Warden. The same goes for the part where Leliana was offered the position of becoming the next Divine. At first she wasn't sure about it but later on she'll rant to you that she'll be a better choice in becoming the Divine compared to anybody else. 

 

That made for one of the weirdest scenes in the game for me. It felt... well, it felt like Leliana was drunk on beliefs and emotions and whatnot. You know how when people get really drunk they give ideas. Which, in their heads, sound amazing. "People should party... ALL THE TIME!" - "Y-yy-ya knowww.... I don't get why people don't drink more often. It's nothing but gooddd fffffff-funn." You know, like that? Leliana's plans for when she becomes the Divine felt a bit like that.

 

"Let's make all the mages free! And oh, you know! How about... we bring in the dwarves and qunari as well? Won't that be amazing?! Peace for everyone!"

 

Oh, Leliana. Ignoring what her epilogue slide can say if you make her Divine, that sounds like a horrible idea. And it could also be an invitation to your old friend Sten to come and invade with his army. 

[Xilizhra]

That made for one of the weirdest scenes in the game for me. It felt... well, it felt like Leliana was drunk on beliefs and emotions and whatnot. You know how when people get really drunk they give ideas. Which, in their heads, sound amazing. "People should party... ALL THE TIME!" - "Y-yy-ya knowww.... I don't get why people don't drink more often. It's nothing but gooddd fffffff-funn." You know, like that? Leliana's plans for when she becomes the Divine felt a bit like that.

 

"Let's make all the mages free! And oh, you know! How about... we bring in the dwarves and qunari as well? Won't that be amazing?! Peace for everyone!"

 

Oh, Leliana. Ignoring what her epilogue slide can say if you make her Divine, that sounds like a horrible idea. And it could also be an invitation to your old friend Sten to come and invade with his army. 

It's the only good idea from any candidate for Divine.

[Wulfram]

It's radical and risky.  But shouldn't a religious leader stand for what's right, rather than what's easy?

[TheLittleBird]

It's the only good idea from any candidate for Divine.

 

That's... entirely subjective. I'm not saying Leliana would make for a horrible Divine, because the epilogue provides proof to the contrary, but that bold statement of "Let's go all the way!" makes it sound like a terrible idea. To me, at least. I can see why other people might feel differently, but it felt so idealistic, like Leliana immediately wanted to reach for the stars. As if Leliana suddenly had this idea and wanted to shout it from the rooftops without thinking a lot about it first. Like a sudden rush of emotion had planted this incredibly daring idea in her head. 

[Xilizhra]

That's... entirely subjective. I'm not saying Leliana would make for a horrible Divine, because the epilogue provides proof to the contrary, but that bold statement of "Let's go all the way!" makes it sound like a terrible idea. To me, at least. I can see why other people might feel differently, but it felt so idealistic, like Leliana immediately wanted to reach for the stars. As if Leliana suddenly had this idea and wanted to shout it from the rooftops without thinking a lot about it first. Like a sudden rush of emotion had planted this incredibly daring idea in her head. 

Well, she'd always wanted to do that, if you listen to her dialogue from the rest of the game.

[TheLittleBird]

Well, she'd always wanted to do that, if you listen to her dialogue from the rest of the game.

 

Sure. But never in the context of "I am going to become Divine and change everything because I want to." I love Leliana, but supporting her during and after that moment wouldn't feel right. To me. Again, this is purely how I feel.

 

it's a bit like... well, you know when you're in bed at night and you think to yourself: "Tomorrow I am going to work out and clean my room and do this and this and this" and then the next morning it suddenly doesn't feel so... easy? I don't know, that scene felt a bit like that. 

 

It's radical and risky.  But shouldn't a religious leader stand for what's right, rather than what's easy?

 

If that's what she believes in, sure. But there's also a huge responsibility to the people that look up to her. And "Peace for everyone!"... it sounds almost childish, you know? Like "I wanna be an astronaut!". I mean, it's not that simple. Of course, it's entirely up to the player to decide whether or not supporting Leliana as Divine is right, and if they think she can bring about change in a reasonable and responsible way.

 

That scene made me feel like that's not the case. Again, purely how I feel, and I know the epilogue can make her out to be the best Divine since the dawn of time.

[GrinningRogue]

Some say it could be an oversight whereas some say Leliana has matured and decided that serving the people is more important than running around the world having fun with the Warden. The same goes for the part where Leliana was offered the position of becoming the next Divine. At first she wasn't sure about it but later on she'll rant to you that she'll be a better choice in becoming the Divine compared to anybody else. 

 

I prefer moderation and gradual changes, since it's less risky. That said, I do agree she's a good candidate for Divine, given her ideals are more accepting than the Chantry's. Things are already messy anyway, so if you want to put it back together, might as well put it an another arrangement; one that has not been proven faulty. I can understand her wanting to make the world a better place and how that would've been a priority to the warden, but her continuing to serve the Inquisition seems out of place.

 

Without any crisis, it's an order without any clear direction, and they are not even under the Chantry. They are like the Grey Wardens without a blight, just more pointless because they don't really have a clear threat to address. At least the Grey Wardens still have 2 more blights to deal with.

[herkles]

So who does lelianna have watch the mages for blood magic? Templars, mage version of the templars. Or does she just let them run frse and there is no one to stop them when they become blood mages or admonitions?

[Xilizhra]

So who does lelianna have watch the mages for blood magic? Templars, mage version of the templars. Or does she just let them run frse and there is no one to stop them when they become blood mages or admonitions?

Someone. It's not surprising that it wasn't mentioned, given how downplayed blood magic and abominations are in this game.

[Gamyu]

Leliana's reason for wanting to free mages is horrible. I love Leliana, but she knows some mages who are better persons than she is, so she want to free them. Yes, mages didn't get to chose to become mages, yes, they are people and they should be free, but that doesn't mean they're not dangerous. If history taught us anything, it's that most of the major problem started because of magic, for example, the biggest threat to Thedas, darkspawns and Blights. Just look at DAO, just one possesed Mage can turn a Circle into hell, and now you want to free them just like that? Of all those free mages, you just need one to fall to demon possession and you might get a whole town slaughter before that mage is killed.

We can discuss this all day, but at the end of the day, mages are still dangerous, to themselves and others people. I feel that Cass is just a better Divine than Leliana, she might not get things done as quickly as Leliana, but we know that Cass can get things done. Beside, Cass' idea of Templar escorts just make much more sense than freeing all mages.

[WardenHero]

I prefer moderation and gradual changes, since it's less risky. That said, I do agree she's a good candidate for Divine, given her ideals are more accepting than the Chantry's. Things are already messy anyway, so if you want to put it back together, might as well put it an another arrangement; one that has not been proven faulty. I can understand her wanting to make the world a better place and how that would've been a priority to the warden, but her continuing to serve the Inquisition seems out of place.

 

Without any crisis, it's an order without any clear direction, and they are not even under the Chantry. They are like the Grey Wardens without a blight, just more pointless because they don't really have a clear threat to address. At least the Grey Wardens still have 2 more blights to deal with.

 

Since the Inquisition manage to clear up the whole end-of-the-world mess, many are turning to the Inquisition for political whatnots. Like you said, without any earth shattering crisis, the Inquisition is just purely for show. However, the Inquisition can't turn away from major political powers that come calling at their doorstep. Who knows when they'll need those alliances if another crisis shows up. Still, there would be rebellions, demons running rampant and all sorts of chaos that trouble the people where the monarchs/nobles are reluctant to help defend them. Think of the Inquisition like a pest removal company of some sort if you will.