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[WardenHero]

Also, keep in mind that there's trouble brewing among the Grey Wardens as hinted in the epilogue. Some sort of infighting. Most nations won't give a damn about the order but I have this nagging feeling that the Inquisition may be called upon to mediate the situation so that they won't kill each other off before letting the Blights doing their work for them. Still, it's just a hunch.  

[TheLittleBird]

Tch... all of Thedas needs to chill out a bit and just get some nice shoes to feel better. 

[WardenHero]

I wish I could end it, like the first Inquisition ended. The whole thing is a bad idea, the more I think about it. 

 

I guess I've always wanted to be told a story more than change things on this level. This much power feels wrong to me. And it saddens me a bit to see other factions I've liked weakened and at my disposal.

 

This game makes me feel like Cassandra a bit. I don't know what to believe anymore. Or if my character is crazy.

 

True. With the major crisis gone, the Inquisition will only upset the political balance in the southern region of Thedas. The Inquisition was set up to deal with serious issues that threaten multiple nations in the first place. Playing politics isn't one of them as far as I can tell.

[WardenHero]

Tch... all of Thedas needs to chill out a bit and just get some nice shoes to feel better. 

 

Oh and pass the chocolates please~ 

[GrinningRogue]

The Inquisition is pointless to begin with. It's too neutral, represents nothing, and is spurred on by false beliefs. The only worthwhile thing is the mark, but you don't need the Inquisition for that. You need the people to help, but not necessarily the Order.

It's not pointless in the beginning, but now that threat has passed, they need to disband. Too much politics. Too much power. That, and the promises of aid and favors from the nobles are just there because there's a hole in the sky. Without a common enemy to unify all Thedas, the political position of the order will create troubles. And since it can't possibly have such a goal as "helping common people and sheltering refugees from chaos anywhere in Thedas" without being seen as trying to create an independent nation state, the inquisition is not an ideal place to devote oneself to.

 

 

Think of the Inquisition like a pest removal company of some sort if you will.

So kinda like the United Nations, just with a load more political power and an army. It's not going to end well.

[WardenHero]

Still, one question remains: What is going to happen to Skyhold if the Inquisition disbands?

After pouring in so much resources to fix that place only to abandon it like that is kind of... I don't know... They can't sell that place, can they?

[GrinningRogue]

Still, one question remains: What is going to happen to Skyhold if the Inquisition disbands?

After pouring in so much resources to fix that place only to abandon it like that is kind of... I don't know... They can't sell that place, can they?

Make it a museum displaying all kinds of demony remains (those fade rags), swords, runes, shards. For science. Or fade/armament studies. Maybe make a Thedas library or something.

[WardenHero]

Make it a museum displaying all kinds of demony remains (those fade rags), swords, runes, shards. For science. Or fade/armament studies. Maybe make a Thedas library or something.

Who's going to pay for its upkeep? Don't forget about the merchants too. They invested a lot in the place and by shutting the place down, they are losing a lot of job prospects and trade deals. Setting the place up like an institute where people can study arcane stuff sounds like a good idea but it needs a patron and funds. Also, the road to Skyhold is treacherous. When the Inquisition is still around, the advisors even posted some guards to keep the road safe for anyone coming to seek refuge in Skyhold.

[GrinningRogue]

Who's going to pay for its upkeep? Don't forget about the merchants too. They invested a lot in the place and by shutting the place down, they are losing a lot of job prospects and trade deals. Setting the place up like an institute where people can study arcane stuff sounds like a good idea but it needs a patron and funds. Also, the road to Skyhold is treacherous. When the Inquisition is still around, the advisors even posted some guards to keep the road safe for anyone coming to seek refuge in Skyhold.

 

I imagine keeping just the place a symbol of peace or learning would make the nobles more willing to participate than funding an army. Whatever place they turn the fort into, as long as the benefits is shared between whatever nations funded the inquisition, it's good. An institute of study is a lot less dangerous than an aimless independent organization with huge power (and army) at their disposal.

[herkles]

I think it depends on the type of inquistor as to what they would do with the inquistion. As an example here are my 2 characters, Navilia Trevelyan and Enansal Lavellan.

 

Navilia would seek to make it part of the chantry again. She has always been pro-chantry and a devoted andrastian. Perhaps as a seperate order but still under the command of the divine and the chantry. Making most of the Inquistion's terrority chantry land.

 

Enansal would try and use its resources, power and influence to create a new elven country. Where it does not matter, but she wants a homeland for her people. She is rather pro-elven, she does what she can to help all elves both city and dalish. 

[GrinningRogue]

I think it depends on the type of inquistor as to what they would do with the inquistion.

 

If that's true, it makes Leliana's wish to continue serve the inquisition even weirder and just "off". Must be an oversight, otherwise, idk what it is.

[Bucky]

 

 , they are people and they should be free, but that doesn't mean they're not dangerous.

That's another one of those places where characters don't seem to be able to hold two thoughts in their heads at the same time.  If a PC says mages should be free, other characters talk matter-of-factly about the PC not believing mages are dangerous.     How are those automatically the same thing?

 

 

Just look at DAO, just one possesed Mage can turn a Circle into hell, and now you want to free them just like that?

Uldred proves that the Circles don't work.  The Circle also caused it.  An Uldred who lives outside the circle loses his motivation to summon abominations.

 

No one saw it happening.  He was a respected senior mage who was able to do everything in secret.  He was trying to secure mage independence and hash out a deal with Loghain.  The Ferelden Circle fell because one of it's most respected members didn't want to live under scrutiny anymore.

[WardenHero]

I imagine keeping just the place a symbol of peace or learning would make the nobles more willing to participate than funding an army. Whatever place they turn the fort into, as long as the benefits is shared between whatever nations funded the inquisition, it's good. An institute of study is a lot less dangerous than an aimless independent organization with huge power (and army) at their disposal.

Still, I can't fathom the thought of Ferelden and Orlais both helping to maintain the place. Too much bad blood. Pride. Political stuff. The usual. Heck, even the Fereldan monarch sold Haven off to an Orlesian marquis rather than keeping a joint effort with Orlais to maintain the final resting place of their Maker's chosen, despite the fact that both nation adopt the same belief. The only nation I can think of that is willing to maintain the place is Orlais since art and scholarly stuff flourish over there. But maintaining a place like Skyhold can take a lot out of one nation. Don't forget Orlais is still reeling from the civil wars. It can't even see to its own places like the Exalted Plains, Emprise Du Lion, Sahrnia, etc. There are unattended ramparts and dead bodies everywhere. 

 

Also, the way Morrigan narrates the epilogue in a foreboding manner like "... THE INQUISITION SHALL STAND READY..." gives me the feeling that the Inquisition is still going to be around for some time yet.

 

Herkles' idea of giving Skyhold to the oppressed elves sounds good. Giving them room to grow and rebuild. Much better than slumming off in the Alienages anyway. I just hope the elves don't get any ideas like arming themselves and killing off shemlens left and right as revenge during their stay in Skyhold.

[herkles]

Well it would not have happened if the south was a mageocracy like tevinter.

Of course if I slaughter people and force other mages into being abmonations, it us not my fault at all. I am innoccent, it is the circle/templars/chantry's fault.

[Bucky]

Well it would not have happened if the south was a mageocracy like tevinter.

Of course if I slaughter people and force other mages into being abmonations, it us not my fault at all. I am innoccent, it is the circle/templars/chantry's fault.

There's a whole spectrum of possibility between Circles and Tevinter.  It's not an either/or choice.

 

On the second part, when I took driver's ed (oh so far back now) the teacher would often give a piece of safe driving advice to which someone would protest, "but I have right of way."  And he'd respond, "well, you're dead, but sure, you had right of way."

[GrinningRogue]

Still, I can't fathom the thought of Ferelden and Orlais both helping to maintain the place. Too much bad blood. Pride. Political stuff. The usual. Heck, even the Fereldan monarch sold Haven off to an Orlesian marquis rather than keeping a joint effort with Orlais to maintain the final resting place of their Maker's chosen, despite the fact that both nation adopt the same belief. The only nation I can think of that is willing to maintain the place is Orlais since art and scholarly stuff flourish over there. But maintaining a place like Skyhold can take a lot out of one nation. Don't forget Orlais is still reeling from the civil wars. It can't even see to its own places like the Exalted Plains, Emprise Du Lion, Sahrnia, etc. There are unattended ramparts and dead bodies everywhere. 

 

Also, the way Morrigan narrates the epilogue in a foreboding manner like "... THE INQUISITION SHALL STAND READY..." gives me the feeling that the Inquisition is still going to be around for some time yet.

 

Herkles' idea of giving Skyhold to the oppressed elves sounds good. Giving them room to grow and rebuild. Much better than slumming off in the Alienages anyway. I just hope the elves don't get any ideas like arming themselves and killing off shemlens left and right as revenge during their stay in Skyhold.

 

They didn't sell off Haven. The marquis was claiming it his, without any real legal proof. It was really his wife's (a Fereldan noble woman). Technically, the place is still Ferelden's despite the Inquisition squatting on it. Josephine said so if you ask her about it. I figure Ferelden just don't put the issue forward since it was dedicated to the Chantry and both nations are Andrastian, plus there's still the matter of mage-templar war.

 

As for Ferelden - Orlais relationship, that depends on the Inquisition's in game choices, isn't it? And who happened to be on Ferelden's throne. Can go both ways, but in my save game, they are heading to a more positive relationship. Slowly.

 

Giving Skyhold to oppressed elves is just as politically charged as giving it to one nation or faction.

[Bucky]

Uldred wasn't that respected. He was respected among his kind (the libertarians). Wynne points out that he didn't socialize or connect to students much though. He wasn't that kind of senior mage. He was a loner.

 

Not that there's anything wrong with that.. I'd be a loner too. But he wasn't exactly respected.

 

Hmm....been a while.

 

I do remember people being really shocked that Uldred would be a problem child.  There were notes lying around where Uldred was instrumental in rooting out blood magic and misbehavers in the past.  (Of course, that could have all been for show.  Never really got a sense of if he was always biding time or changed at some point.)

[WardenHero]

 

 

Giving Skyhold to oppressed elves is just as politically charged as giving it to one nation or faction.

 

So... the elves settling in a place other than an Alienage is a bad thing? The way I see it, giving Skyhold is like giving land to the Dalish. I'm not saying that we should arm the elves to the teeth but it's a good alternative rather than rebuilding in a place where humans are constantly giving you trouble. 

[Bucky]

Skyhold is an elven structure, isn't it?  Though I ran across that information somewhere.

[GrinningRogue]

So... the elves settling in a place other than an Alienage is a bad thing? The way I see it, giving Skyhold is like giving land to the Dalish. I'm not saying that we should arm the elves to the teeth but it's a good alternative rather than rebuilding in a place where humans are constantly giving you trouble. 

 

Honestly, I don't see a problem with dissolving the alienage (which might happen, depending on how DAI story goes). Aren't city elves part of the human nations? So an elf from Orlais is basically Orlesian. Giving it to the elves is like telling them to separate themselves from whichever nations they come from. The nations would see that they are loosing grounds and people and they will not be happy.

 

It would be a different matter if you are giving it to the Dalish, since they are never really part of any nation, but I imagine even this will be complicated since there are different clans and they can be really different from one another. On that note, where is Skyhold exactly? Is it within Orlesian border or Ferelden? I always feel like the Inquisition is not squatting on unclaimed ground, but claiming a long forgotten territory of some nation. Just because its old and long abandoned, doesn't mean it's not someone's backyard.

[herkles]

Honestly, I don't see a problem with dissolving the alienage (which might happen, depending on how DAI story goes). Aren't city elves part of the human nations? So an elf from Orlais is basically Orlesian. Giving it to the elves is like telling them to separate themselves from whichever nations they come from. The nations would see that they are loosing grounds and people and they will not be happy.

That is how my inquistor Navilia sees it. The city elves are both andrastians(with some of their own customs) and live in the various kingdoms. She thinks they should be just regarded as part of their own kingdoms. My elven inquistor on the other hand believes that there should be a homeland for the elves somewhere in thedas.

[WardenHero]

Honestly, I don't see a problem with dissolving the alienage (which might happen, depending on how DAI story goes). Aren't city elves part of the human nations? So an elf from Orlais is basically Orlesian. Giving it to the elves is like telling them to separate themselves from whichever nations they come from. The nations would see that they are loosing grounds and people and they will not be happy.

 

It would be a different matter if you are giving it to the Dalish, since they are never really part of any nation, but I imagine even this will be complicated since there are different clans and they can be really different from one another. On that note, where is Skyhold exactly? Is it within Orlesian border or Ferelden? I always feel like the Inquisition is not squatting on unclaimed ground, but claiming a long forgotten territory of some nation. Just because its old and long abandoned, doesn't mean it's not someone's backyard.

 

Fereldan or Orlesian, an elf who has done well for him/herself in a human land did not sit well for many humans. In Origins epilogue, when Shianni/elf Warden/whoever made bann is scandalous and most nobles just wouldn't accept it. Troubles like Vaughan are bound to happen. And when that happens, rebellions will follow suit. In the end, the elves still get the blame. The humans just can't leave them alone. The only way the elves are to progress is to do it some place faraway from the humans, just like the Dalish.

 

Skyhold sits on the ridges of the Frostback Mountains, judging by the fortress' mountainous surroundings. The mountains separates the two nations so Skyhold doesn't exactly belong to either one of the nation either. That's my hunch anyway. Even if Skyhold belongs to either nation, I don't see Orlais or Ferelden demanding the Inquisition to swear fealty to either one of them. Simply put, Skyhold is a no man's land. 

[GrinningRogue]

That only happens because of the racism thing. As said before, depending on how things happen in DAI, it may change. If Leliana is divine and unhardened (didn't make the Chantry ran with blood), I can see how the elves will be more accepted and maybe, eventually be on equal ground with humans. Depending on what happened in the winter palace, the elves already get their own voice. It's a step toward the right direction. Get rid of the racism and equality will eventually be gained. Getting rid of it is never a one event off thing. It's a slow process that can take generations. Forcing it every time risks the movement to reset to its original state and make people say "I told you so, they are trouble". Giving Skyhold to them is forcing it.
 

You know how scandalous it is giving a land to elves in Origins. Why would giving Skyhold, the seat of Inquisition's power, power that was bestowed to the Inquisition from nations' efforts, to the elves be less so? Depending on DA:O outcomes, there would already be 2 separate occasions of elves demanding swift and radical change, one would be giving elves their own land in DAO, which did not end well, and two would be Briala's scheme, which again, did not end well.

 

The Inquisition is built using the support of nations. If it doesn't benefit whoever put their "shares" into it justly and the Inquisition would just give it to some faction as they please, things will not end well. Even if Skyhold doesn't belong to any nation, the moment nations start pouring their resources into it, they all hold a piece of the Inquisition, much like a company. There's no more reason for it to be around, since the Inquisition's promises to end the mage-templar war and seal the rifts, and that promises are fulfilled. The goals of the Inquisition are achieved, as are the goals of every nation that supported the Inquisition. Anything that resulted from its activities during the course of the game should be spread to whatever nations contributed to it, not just 1 faction. This is best done if the Inquisition disbanded and Skyhold is left to rot (again) or used as a non-political ground in which all nations contribute to it. Now if the nations think it's just not worth the effort and leave it be, eventually letting others take it, it would just be the same as it is originally, right? Skyhold gets abandoned, changes hands.

[AresKeith]