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[DuskWanderer]

Spoiler

The part I like best about Divine Leliana is that she re-dedicates the Chantry to charity. I mean, the Chantry is supposed to fund and manage charitable works according to lore, but fails miserably to do so in canon. (Just look at the big fat zero they do for the impoverished Ferelden refugees in Kirkwall, leaving it up to individual charitable merchants like Lirene's to do all the work) I always thought Leliana's ideas about the Chantry in Origins made it sounds like an institution you'd actually want to worship at, rather than an institution you were simply born into.

 

 

Yeah, I agree, that's part of the big reason why I like the aforementioned spoiler. I'm not saying the other two don't have their merits 

 

Spoiler

Cassandra, in particular, is also an excellent candidate. She institutes reforms, reforges both the templars and the mages, and dedicates them to protecting the innocent. Another completely worthwhile goal. There's nothing wrong with Vivienne per say, but the others are better choices.

 

In the end, I think it just matters who you side with for the better choice. 

[WardenHero]

Deft ones.

 

Daaaaayuuum... 

 

In any case, I remember hearing some conversation in Haven about people who "spent time" with the Bull will walk funny afterwards. 

How 'bout it, o' Spymaster? All the more reason for the Warden to return from their quest quickly.

[Spankatola]

Thanks for the response. I actually did that mission and just assumed I'd read the letter when I didn't see it in my quarters or Leliana's...attic.

 

 

Yeah, there's my trouble, thanks. I never check that. I wonder what I said to me? I'll have to check it tonight when I get home. Too late to un-screw up Leliana, I'll have to leave that to Other Me.

 

Anyway, found the letter. Warden left personal notes for both Morrigan and Leliana. Funny.

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

I wonder if my Warden would have left a note for Morrigan too, if she was there at the time...though I've now accepted the female Warden/ Morrigan sister arc is probably never going to be acknowledged again.

Though, that kinda sounds more like a potential bug.

[AWTEW]

I wonder if my Warden would have left a note for Morrigan too, if she was there at the time...though I've now accepted the female Warden/ Morrigan sister arc is probably never going to be acknowledged again.
Though, that kinda sounds more like a potential bug.

Well, I don't know about living wardens, but if the warden is morrigens friend and the warden is dead she does say. "The hero of feralden and I didn't part on good terms, and then the hero of feralden died. That is my biggest regret."

it was something along those lines, anyway.

I won't ever finish my dead-warden playthrough, but some of what Lelliana says, is absolutly heartbreaking. Now, I don't know how true this is but according to my friend, a lelliana romance with a dead warden, means that she can't be unhardened.

[Spankatola]

I wonder if my Warden would have left a note for Morrigan too, if she was there at the time...though I've now accepted the female Warden/ Morrigan sister arc is probably never going to be acknowledged again.

Though, that kinda sounds more like a potential bug.

 

Thing is, I don't think Morrigan WAS there when I began that operation, though she was there when I collected the reward.

[PickledGear]

Now I'm wondering how the reunion between the Warden and Leliana would be like. Would she go to him(My warden is male.) if she could find exactly where he went west to? Or would the Warden drop what they were doing once they received the letter from the Inquisitor or even Leliana stating that Corypheus had been finally slain for good.
I like to think with Leliana being busy a little while longer after Corypheus' defeat and her trying to find a worthy successor to the spymaster position before leaving. The Warden would actually surprise her at Skyhold, perhaps even try and sneak up on her while she was working or talking with someone. (Might be a bad idea sneaking up on her though.... probably get thrown over her shoulder.)

That is perhaps the Warden finds a cure or just something that prevents the calling long enough it is pretty pointless to cure it. (Say it keeps the calling away for another 40 years or something, A warden would die of old age before the taint took them.) Maybe the Warden becomes apart of the Inquisition as well. Helps with things, which would leave Leliana at the Spymaster position and still have her love close by.

I should take a shot at drawing a reunion comic or something.

[Han Shot First]

Well, in my Warden's case...definitely not that one.

Leliana is nowhere near as promiscuous as people seem to think she is. Marjolaine, Warden...she evidently commits 100%, even if she is open to fun now and then provided they're there too.

 

It seems like she may have been as a Bard. If you ask her about Bards' reputation for using sex as one of their tools for spycraft, she admits its true and to having done it. She says something like, "And they never complained. Well, maybe after...but never during." Also she has that comment about bored Orlesian nobles and caramel pudding.

 

Having said that, I agree though that Leliana isn't Isabela. She's not really the type to stray on the Warden. Her relationship with Marjolaine was a bit different in that they both were bards, and sex was a part of their trade.

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

Now I'm wondering how the reunion between the Warden and Leliana would be like. Would she go to him(My warden is male.) if she could find exactly where he went west to? Or would the Warden drop what they were doing once they received the letter from the Inquisitor or even Leliana stating that Corypheus had been finally slain for good.
I like to think with Leliana being busy a little while longer after Corypheus' defeat and her trying to find a worthy successor to the spymaster position before leaving. The Warden would actually surprise her at Skyhold, perhaps even try and sneak up on her while she was working or talking with someone. (Might be a bad idea sneaking up on her though.... probably get thrown over her shoulder.)

That is perhaps the Warden finds a cure or just something that prevents the calling long enough it is pretty pointless to cure it. (Say it keeps the calling away for another 40 years or something, A warden would die of old age before the taint took them.) Maybe the Warden becomes apart of the Inquisition as well. Helps with things, which would leave Leliana at the Spymaster position and still have her love close by.

I should take a shot at drawing a reunion comic or something.

 

Not sure it'd make much sense for Leliana to wander off into uncharted land in search of the Warden...I'm not even entirely sure how she got a message to them in the first place, actually trying to physically find them would seem like a bit of a lost cause. Not to mention the Warden has apparently been gone for years, who knows how far into uncharted territory they are. Seems to me like Leliana is just staying with the Inquisition for now. Will explain post-game DLC with her sticking around.

 

Not terribly sure I want to commit to a headcanon of anything in case BioWare breaks my heart and reveals in a future game/DLC that a Calling cure had a terrible price to pay and the Warden never came back or something. Though, I guess the comments on the nature of the Warden/Leliana relationship if she becomes Divine could be taken as implying that they do return. Successful or unsuccessful. 

 

For now I'll just imagine she shows up at Skyhold in a couple of years and all is well. Woot, happy thoughts.

 

It seems like she may have been as a Bard. If you ask her about Bards' reputation for using sex as one of their tools for spycraft, she admits its true and to having done it. She says something like, "And they never complained. Well, maybe after...but never during." Also she has that comment about bored Orlesian nobles and caramel pudding.

 

Having said that, I agree though that Leliana isn't Isabela. She's not really the type to stray on the Warden. Her relationship with Marjolaine was a bit different in that they both were bards, and sex was a part of their trade.

 

Well, yeah, that's in the job description, won't deny that. 

 

What I meant to say, is we saw that she got all jealous and possessive just seeing Marjolaine with that guard captain, even knowing it was all part of the game. Says something, I reckon - even when she was a bard, she seemed pretty committed and set on one person, business aside. And, it isn't part of her business anymore.

[Gamyu]

Now I'm wondering how the reunion between the Warden and Leliana would be like. Would she go to him(My warden is male.) if she could find exactly where he went west to? Or would the Warden drop what they were doing once they received the letter from the Inquisitor or even Leliana stating that Corypheus had been finally slain for good.
I like to think with Leliana being busy a little while longer after Corypheus' defeat and her trying to find a worthy successor to the spymaster position before leaving. The Warden would actually surprise her at Skyhold, perhaps even try and sneak up on her while she was working or talking with someone. (Might be a bad idea sneaking up on her though.... probably get thrown over her shoulder.)

That is perhaps the Warden finds a cure or just something that prevents the calling long enough it is pretty pointless to cure it. (Say it keeps the calling away for another 40 years or something, A warden would die of old age before the taint took them.) Maybe the Warden becomes apart of the Inquisition as well. Helps with things, which would leave Leliana at the Spymaster position and still have her love close by.

I should take a shot at drawing a reunion comic or something.

This is how I would love to see it play out. The Warden found the cure, keep it for the future just in case, go to the Weisshaupt to see what's going on over there (DA:I Epilogue),  get a Griffon, and then swoop down from the sky into Skyhold and get the girl...uhh...Leliana, which in this case, swooping is good.

[PickledGear]

Not sure it'd make much sense for Leliana to wander off into uncharted land in search of the Warden...I'm not even entirely sure how she got a message to them in the first place, actually trying to physically find them would seem like a bit of a lost cause. Not to mention the Warden has apparently been gone for years, who knows how far into uncharted territory they are. Seems to me like Leliana is just staying with the Inquisition for now. Will explain post-game DLC with her sticking around.

 

Not terribly sure I want to commit to a headcanon of anything in case BioWare breaks my heart and reveals in a future game/DLC that a Calling cure had a terrible price to pay and the Warden never came back or something. Though, I guess the comments on the nature of the Warden/Leliana relationship if she becomes Divine could be taken as implying that they do return. Successful or unsuccessful. 

 

For now I'll just imagine she shows up at Skyhold in a couple of years and all is well. Woot, happy thoughts.

 

Well if agents were able to contact the Warden then she probably can have said agents meet her and they can explain how they got into contact. She was the one that gave the lead into finding the Warden. I truly think Leliana did pull a Varric with the Hero of Ferelden when they "Looked for them." Perhaps secretly contacted them first asking what they would want to do. The HoF probably said, sorry no I can't I'm looking into a cure for the calling and you know I'm on the "clock" as it were with it.

So she gave Cassandra false leads. Just my thoughts on it. So she had to know where the HoF was in order to send the letter for help to them. Heck... my first playthrough it wasn't Leliana who sent it. It was Morrigan actually. Morrigan asks after Adamant if you ran into the Warden there. The Inquisitor says they don't know and Morrigan responds saying "Oh you would've known if the Hero of Ferelden was there, if you didn't see them, then that must mean they weren't there at Adamant."

She then says,  if I remember correctly she has some inkling on where the Hero is and that she can help arrange contacting them to help in some way. I didn't know Leliana would do the same thing. So technically on my first playthrough my Warden got 2 letters, 1 from Morrigan the other Leliana. Must've confused him a bit.

It would be simple enough to try and track where the letter/s from the Hero came from, if it came from Ravens then have a way to follow the raven back to the previous sender (haha if its that simple. MAGIC thats my excuse.) If it wasn't by messenger raven then it was by a courier. Thats where you ask the courier, and if it was a long chain of couriers, you track down each one until you get to the final source which would be the Warden.
The Warden says in the letter that if they find anything that might help in the fight with Corypheus they would send it to the Inquisitor right away so one of those 2 options is the truth. Plus if its items then it would have to be by courier.

Unless eluvians all of a sudden are the norm again. Then the Warden could hide well enough using Eluvians as transport haha.

So it wouldn't be impossible to send another message to the Warden saying "Hey the coast is clear, if you want you can return back into Orlais and Ferelden without worry." (My Warden was a warrior so he wouldn't just be enthralled by Corypheus, if Alistair, Loghain and Stroud can't be manipulated by Corypheus and the Nightmare Demon's fake calling then my Warden with the forewarned knowledge of Corypheus like Alistair, Loghain and Stroud knew of, he wouldn't be so easily enthralled by Corypheus..... Just don't kill Corypheus around him...

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

Huh, that's interesting, I had no idea Morrigan could do that even in a Leliana-romancing playthrough. 

 

Glad I did Adamant first, then. Probably would have missed Leliana's dialogue on the Warden before and after the operation. Why she'd give Cassandra false information still kind of confuses me though, it's not like they'd be able to find her in time for their Inquisition anyway. 

[GrinningRogue]

I had that dialogue with Morrigan about Adamant, but she wasn't the one to offer the mission, Leliana was. How do you make sure that the friendship is recognized? I don't recall anything in the Keep detailing their relationship. She did say something about being friends with the warden, way before Adamant.

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

Morrigan didn't really acknowledge my Warden at all, other than one small line about how she wished things could have ended differently. Was a bit disappointing given how moving I found her coming to see the Warden as a sister was, but expected given there was nothing in the Keep for it. Meh.

[PickledGear]

Huh, that's interesting, I had no idea Morrigan could do that even in a Leliana-romancing playthrough. 

 

Glad I did Adamant first, then. Probably would have missed Leliana's dialogue on the Warden before and after the operation. Why she'd give Cassandra false information still kind of confuses me though, it's not like they'd be able to find her in time for their Inquisition anyway. 

Well if your loved one didn't want anything to do with being placed in the role of being a leader (Again.) Then I'd think you'd make something up for them. Perhaps Leliana knew if the Warden just said "No I don't want to be apart of the Inquisition." but the Seekers might take them anyways. Like they did with Varric most likely. Plus I bet by that time the Warden was already hard at working on a cure for the Calling. Both the Inquisition and the search for the cure are big noble goals to strive for. Why end one for the other?
Remember Leliana just up and admits that the Warden is out looking for a cure to the calling to the Inquisitor. Meaning she knew what they were doing just didn't know where they went, or she did seeing as the romance of the Warden says that they find the Lead for the Cure that takes the Warden west. So she knows the Warden has gone west, just not exactly where in the uncharted areas. So maybe for the Leliana romance Warden she tells Cassandra that the Warden has gone missing to the West.

Something doesn't add up when it comes to this. They don't know where the Warden is during DA2 Ending after interrogating Varric, but then they get on a ship with Varric to go to the Temple of Sacred Ashes but have complications then when the Inquisitor asks Leliana in Haven about the Warden. She knows that the Warden is on an important quest of their own (signifying she knows of the quest westwards.) she doesn't elaborate until the herald becomes Inquisitor and she slightly trusts the Inquisitor.

So she knew. She just hid that fact from Cassandra and vaguely said it to the Herald at Haven, why to this stranger she still barely knows I have no clue. Perhaps she had a small tickle in the back of her mind thinking... hmm maybe they are sent by Andraste, I shouldn't really lie to them.

[Todrazok]

This is how I would love to see it play out. The Warden found the cure, keep it for the future just in case, go to the Weisshaupt to see what's going on over there (DA:I Epilogue),  get a
Griffon, and then swoop down from the sky into Skyhold and get the girl...uhh...Leliana, which in this case, swooping is good.

Well ****, the Warden going to Weisshaupt sounds likely, and that's not a good thing considering the epilogue hints at something terrible going down there. Not that Im complaining, someone has to get Hawke's sorry ass out of there

[Gamyu]

Well ****, the Warden going to Weisshaupt sounds likely, and that's not a good thing considering the epilogue hints at something terrible going down there. Not that Im complaining, someone has to get Hawke's sorry ass out of there

I'm sure the Warden can handle whatever going there.

Then s/he would get a Griffon from there, pick up Leliana and ride into the sunset. End of Warden's story! Don't bring him/her up again -cough- DA2 ending-cough-

[mrcrazyman]

Huh, that's interesting, I had no idea Morrigan could do that even in a Leliana-romancing playthrough. 

 

Glad I did Adamant first, then. Probably would have missed Leliana's dialogue on the Warden before and after the operation. Why she'd give Cassandra false information still kind of confuses me though, it's not like they'd be able to find her in time for their Inquisition anyway. 

 

I think it might be a bug if Morrigan gives the mission while in a Leliana romance. When I did the Winter Ball first Morrigan never gave the operation. After Adamant if you talk to Morrigan first, I got the same stuff as PickledGear when she asks if you saw the HOF there and you reply you didn't, but no operation spawned from it. I had to talk to Leliana and get the operation and all the romanced Warden convos. 

[LadyStoneheart]

The way Leliana refers to the Varric situation (from "Cassandra is going to kill him" to "LOL this is the last time we send her to interrogate someone") makes me think she told Cassandra the truth about the Warden at some point, hopefully before Justinia's death, but that is not addressed in the game because in some playthroughs the Warden isn't even alive. I doubt she would reveal a secret like that to a stranger (who just a few days before was considered responsible for the Breach) while still keeping her fellow Hand in the dark.

 

Anyway I wish they had made a "where were they when the Breach opened?" teaser with Cassandra and Leliana. I still wonder what kept them away from Justinia's side for an important and dangerous event like the conclave, especially because it looks like they weren't very far from the Temple.

It would probably be painful to watch, though. 

[Spankatola]

Morrigan didn't really acknowledge my Warden at all, other than one small line about how she wished things could have ended differently. Was a bit disappointing given how moving I found her coming to see the Warden as a sister was, but expected given there was nothing in the Keep for it. Meh.

 

I found Morrigan's reaction strange, too. She and my Warden didn't get along, though he did the ritual. But she mentioned how close they were, "closer than I thought possible." And I'm like...huh? The Warden didn't like you. He also sent her a personal note along with the note to his romance, Leliana. But he referred to Morrigan and son as his family.

 

Long story short, baby mama complicates things.

[Bucky]

If I recall, the Keep only asks if Hawke and Varric were friends.  Everyone else it asks if they are alive and/or stayed with Hawke (I assume meaning in the final battle in DA2).

 

I imagine they're not warm about the Warden if you kill/stabbed them though.

[mrcrazyman]

I found Morrigan's reaction strange, too. She and my Warden didn't get along, though he did the ritual. But she mentioned how close they were, "closer than I thought possible." And I'm like...huh? The Warden didn't like you. He also sent her a personal note along with the note to his romance, Leliana. But he referred to Morrigan and son as his family.

 

Long story short, baby mama complicates things.

 

I gotta ask did the war table summary/codex mention 2 private letters or did you get the quest twice? Did Morrigan and Leiana both go through their dialouge about it when the mission was complete? I'm just wondering if this is a bug if the DR was personally performed while in romance or if it's intentional. Seems odd.

[Spankatola]

I gotta ask did the war table summary/codex mention 2 letters or did you get the quest twice? I'm just wondering if this is a bug if the DR was personally performed while in romance or if it's intentional. Seems odd.

 

I didn't get the quest twice. I actually had very little Morrigan content outside the brief eluvian sequence and The Final Piece. The war table summary from Leliana mentioned only a letter for me and a letter for her. But the letter for me (which I didn't read until just before starting the final mission because I had no idea it was there) included blurbs about both Morrigan and Leliana. Although it indicated there was a letter for Morrigan, I've no idea how or if she got it.

[mrcrazyman]

I didn't get the quest twice. I actually had very little Morrigan content outside the brief eluvian sequence and The Final Piece. The war table summary from Leliana mentioned only a letter for me and a letter for her. But the letter for me (which I didn't read until just before starting the final mission because I had no idea it was there) included blurbs about both Morrigan and Leliana. Although it indicated there was a letter for Morrigan, I've no idea how or if she got it.

Intersesting. Thanks. So Morrigan didn't talk to you in the gardens about it after the operation was complete? From what you say it still kind of sounds buggy where personally perfoming the DR is overwriting some stuff and forcing some romance if done. Now the patch mentioned fixing some world state stuff but I don't know if it handled everything, or you need to start a new game to apply, etc.  I think the latter paragraphs in the letter (romance/matching backgrounds) is just through checking variables in the world state and adding them as applicable so it may think personal perfom DR=romance? I don't know. Also you said that the war table simply mentions one private letter. Not to mention I've seen some mentions about Morrigan being buggy like in world state such as people who stabbed Morrigan having the game sometimes putting them are in romance even if not and so on. That family thing you mentioned seems very odd and makes me think it's buggy.

[Wulfram]

The way Leliana refers to the Varric situation (from "Cassandra is going to kill him" to "LOL this is the last time we send her to interrogate someone") makes me think she told Cassandra the truth about the Warden at some point, hopefully before Justinia's death, but that is not addressed in the game because in some playthroughs the Warden isn't even alive. I doubt she would reveal a secret like that to a stranger (who just a few days before was considered responsible for the Breach) while still keeping her fellow Hand in the dark.

 

I think it's not addressed in game because it's a plot hole created by Bioware changing plans or a lack of proper thinking about the DA2 ending and it's better to just gloss over it.