Cassandra seems to be the most naive out of the three. It isn't so much seeing the coming threat as it is preventing a successful attempt.
Hardly even viviene calls leliana fool ,leliana ideas and visions are just naive not mention that she and last divine caused mage-templar war because they thought circles were wrong...
^ There also hasn't been a wide-spread mage rebellion against the Templars before, either, or a Divine fully and utterly committed to change (either Cassandra or Leliana). Like other posters have said, Cassandra is giving mages more freedom - gradually.
I sure am glad you've posted that Far Cry graphic, though! Completely changed my mind.
"The fatal poison of irresponsible power was already in her hands, and soon commenced its infernal work. That cheerful eye, under the influence of slavery, soon became red with rage; that voice, made all of sweet accord, changed to one of harsh and horrid discord; and that angelic face gave place to that of a demon. "
Absolute power corrupts absolutely as they say. Cassandra reminds me of Frerdrick Douglass' master's wife.
"Slavery proved as injurious to her as it did to me. When I went there, she was a pious, warm, and tender-hearted woman. There was no sorrow or suffering for which she had not a tear. She had bread for the hungry, clothes for the naked, and comfort for every mourner that came within her reach. Slavery soon proved its ability to divest her of these heavenly qualities. Under its influence, the tender heart became stone, and the lamblike disposition gave way to one of tiger-like fierceness."
What was her first response when the mages of Redcliffe were entrapped by the machinations of Magister Alexius? Was it to be understanding of the situation, that they were used and manipulated? No, it was mass conscription and imprisonment which is hardly justice. Though she spouts out noble ideas about trying to improve the welfare of the mages, her impulsive reactions showed to me that as soon as the mages start doing wrong, it will turn to resentment that will color the entire mages and her responses are harsh. Even she herself is known to acknowledge that she is not always right and she is impulsive to a fault but not after much reflection later. We don't how well she improves mage livelihood, but she's known to make concessions. I almost think Vivienne would be a better alternative to her, as even though she's in it for her own power, at least the circle mages are allowed more freedom and responsibilities. What we hear of Cassandra's reign as it is in the epilogue is it divided the rebel mages and caused a civil mage war between College and circle mages. And when siding with the templars, she's forced to compromise and could possibly lead to violence on sects who oppose her reforms meaning that her gradual changes are easily reversible if those subversive sects still exist. Cassandra seems like someone who only knows to hammer something bad, and lacks the subtlety to change the hearts and minds in order to have the populace accept her reforms. She's like Harrowmont, the traditionalist that seems like they'd get something done due to their military background and supposedly honorable demeanor, but is completely wrong for the job on account of their headstrong brash ways.
What he said.We've been saying progression in the way Cassandra is offering mages the liberty of governing themselves, prohibiting templars from being as abusive as they were, and not having the Chantry spell out every rule on what they can and can't do.
cassandra is all about having the chantry dictate what mages can and can't do, only she uses her circle mages as a proxy and the chantry's representative to promote her will if there is a college and if there isn't she reinstates the Circles and it's back to the status quo only more Seekers of Truth. I don't know how long their dedication to justice will last, not all seekers end up being good in the long run. E.g., Lambert and Lucius Corin.
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Chantry person acts like Chantry person. News at 11.
What the chantry should be is different for each person. Even Mother giselle thinks that the Chantry should spread the Maker's word by example and not by war. Imo, that's exactly what Leliana wants too. A church that encourages good, accepts everyone, instead of being divisive and rebuke people for their "sins". Justinia once said, "Idealism is our stock in trade Lambert. A religion without ideals is tyranny." Leliana that is unhardened anyways, is the successor to that sentiment.
I've finally managed to 'soften' Leliana on my second playthrough. I can't say I liked the inquisitors's dialogue during the traitor scene...and I still think the whole softening mechanic doesn't make much sense, but the end result was worth it 
And she is still my "canon" divine.
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I've finally managed to 'soften' Leliana on my second playthrough. I can't say I liked the inquisitors's dialogue during the traitor scene...and I still think the whole softening mechanic doesn't make much sense, but the end result was worth it
And she is still my "canon" divine.
I liked the middle option. Because you're just reminding Leliana what she says herself.. instead of forcing a point. "If you don't like what you do, that's a good sign you shouldn't do it."
Alexius mission made me sad,I was like omg wtf happened to leliana 
.and leliana's sacrifice also made me sad even if it wasn't real .
I liked the middle option. Because you're just reminding Leliana what she says herself.. instead of forcing a point. "If you don't like what you do, that's a good sign you shouldn't do it."
I guess I picked the wrong dialog option then. My inquisitor came across to me at least as somewhat naive...telling Leliana how to do her job.
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I guess I picked the wrong dialog option then. My inquisitor came across to me at least as somewhat naive...telling Leliana how to do her job.
That also works...
If you believe you're the Herald. 
Who else has the audacity to meddle with a stranger's business?
For some reason I can't imagine Cassandra as Divine. I can perfectly see her as Lord Seeker leading a reformed Seekers of Truth, but I see it fitting for either Vivienne or (un-romanced) Leliana to be the next Divine. For the former, it's the end result of ambitious political maneuvering that leads into a position of real power. A nice book-end for Vivienne's arc. For the latter, she's a very devout believer and was very close to Justine V so it makes a nice 'following in her foot-steps' kind of sense. Also a nice book-end for her arc.
I just saw the excitement in Leliana when she showed interest in being the next Divine and I couldn't say no.
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I just saw the excitement in Leliana when she showed interest in being the next Divine and I couldn't say no.
:3
I was miffed about that back then, because I still thought being Divine meant she'd have to end it with the Warden at that point and I was still recovering from the feels earlier.
Guuuuuurrrrlll.
I was miffed about that back then, because I still thought being Divine meant she'd have to end it with the Warden at that point and I was still recovering from the feels earlier.
Guuuuuurrrrlll.
I would gladly make Soft Leliana Divine, if it weren't for her freeing the mages :S.
I would gladly make Soft Leliana Divine, if it weren't for her freeing the mages :S.
It's not so much the freeing of mages, but rather the apparant lack of templars that has me still torn on whether Leliana or Cassandra is the better divine. Otherwise I really like Leliana's ideas of opening up the Chantry to non-humans 
It's not so much the freeing of mages, but rather the apparant lack of templars that has me still torn on whether Leliana or Cassandra is the better divine. Otherwise I really like Leliana's ideas of opening up the Chantry to non-humans
I'm pretty sure Cassandra would do something similar. One of her earlier conversations in Haven had her saying the many things she thinks the Chantry should improve upon, and the treatment of non-humans was one of them.
It's not so much the freeing of mages, but rather the apparant lack of templars that has me still torn on whether Leliana or Cassandra is the better divine. Otherwise I really like Leliana's ideas of opening up the Chantry to non-humans
Well Cassandra reforms the Seekers even with Leliana as Divine. So you at least have an Anti-Magic force ready to deal with bad Mages in Leliana's term.
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Crap, Leliana's messenger has a cute accent. How did I go a whole game without hearing the messengers. They all have the best voices.
Cassandra seems like someone who only knows to hammer something bad, and lacks the subtlety to change the hearts and minds in order to have the populace accept her reforms.
It's worth noting that Cassandra's rule is the only stable and progressive one. Vivienne's descends into madness for months, Leliana's results in splintering and fracturing that ends in either bloodshed or (to be fair) unity, but Cassandra as Divine is the only epilogue where there is no innate unrest despite the groundbreaking reforms she enacts (she doesn't reinstate the Templars/Circles, she creates new versions).
It's ironic that the one you claim wouldn't have any support is in fact the person who has the most.
It's worth noting that Cassandra's rule is the only stable and progressive one. Vivienne's descends into madness for months, Leliana's results in splintering and fracturing that ends in either bloodshed or (to be fair) unity, but Cassandra as Divine is the only epilogue where there is no innate unrest despite the groundbreaking reforms she enacts (she doesn't reinstate the Templars/Circles, she creates new versions).
It's ironic that the one you claim wouldn't have any support is in fact the person who has the most.
Did you even see Divine Cass' ending? People openly say that her reforms are too far and her worst ending results in chaos in the Chantry while her best requires the Inquisitor to help her make peace and even then she has to make some concessions while softened Leliana manages to make even more radical changes but is able to unite everyone. Guess we know which one Bioware prefers.
Did you even see Divine Cass' ending? People openly say that her reforms are too far and her worst ending results in chaos in the Chantry while her best requires the Inquisitor to help her make peace and even then she has to make some concessions while softened Leliana manages to make even more radical changes but is able to unite everyone. Guess we know which one Bioware prefers.
Leliana's Divine ending can go terribly too. If you don't do her personal quest, the Chantry all but collapses under her. To my knowledge, none of the other potential Divines can go that wrong.
I don't think BioWare particularly favours anybody. Cassandra and Vivienne can achieve stability and peace as well with the right prerequisites. Cassandra did in mine.
Nor do I think it matters, as the next games will probably just have them as distant people mentioned here and there and nothing else. Way too many variables.
Leliana's Divine ending can go terribly too. If you don't do her personal quest, the Chantry all but collapses.
I don't think BioWare particularly favours anybody. Cassandra and Vivienne can achieve stability and peace as well with the right prerequisites. Cassandra did in mine.
Nor do I think it matters, as the next games will probably just have them as distant people mentioned here and there and nothing else. Way too many variables.
Yep, there are valid arguments to be made for all candidates.
Leliana's Divine ending can go terribly too. If you don't do her personal quest, the Chantry all but collapses.
I don't think BioWare particularly favours anybody. Cassandra and Vivienne can achieve stability and peace as well.
Nor do I think it matters, as the next games will probably just have them as distant people mentioned here and there.
Vivenne's ending also results in chaos if you don't do her quest or aren't friendly with her. Still, when you consider that Leliana is now becoming the Liara of DA with her own dlc, the fact that she can survive being killed, has appeared in all games so far, became the left hand of the divine, and as Divine can completely change the Chantry by dissolving the Circles, accepting non-humans into the chantry, dedicate the chantry to charity and make everyone accept this along with giving mages universal acceptance throughout Thedas clearly stacks the deck in Leliana's favor.
The devs also blatantly favor Bhelen given how they enjoy pointing out how much better he is than Harrowmont in practically every single way so I wouldn't be surprised if Divine Leliana winds up being better than Cass or Vivienne in the future.
The devs also blatantly favor Bhelen given how they enjoy pointing out how much better he is than Harrowmont in practically every single way so I wouldn't be surprised if Divine Leliana winds up being better than Cass or Vivienne in the future.
That was simply a case of the "good" choice not always beign the best one.
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