That was simply a case of the "good" choice not always beign the best one.
Exactly.
Also I think Bioware got it right there. Not all choices should have options that turn out equally good. The real world isn't like that, and fictional ones should be either.
Honestly I think what speaks best to me about Cassandra's Divine rule is, unlike Leliana and Vivienne, she doesn't want it, per se. She just feels a sense of duty towards it. Seems the most...trustworthy with it, IMO. Seems a good sign to me.
I kind of worry about Leliana in that role as well. She wants to institute the most radical changes. Radical change tends to come about violently or result in violence. She could very well end up assassinated, or her changes might just result in more bloodshed during or following her term as Divine.
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I'm not overly worried for any of them as long as Cass reforms/runs the Seekers.
I kind of worry about Leliana in that role as well. She wants to institute the most radical changes. Radical change tends to come about violently or result in violence. She could very well end up assassinated, or her changes might just result in more bloodshed during or following her term as Divine.
Good thing Leliana doesn't mind spilling blood to get her way.
Unless you chose the wrong path with her...
I'd be more worried about Vivienne if hardened Leliana becomes divine 
That was simply a case of the "good" choice not always beign the best one.
Since when harrowmont was good choice?
I love people point harrowmont as paragon of goodness because behlen is ruthless so that means harrowmont has to be good.
Since when harrowmont was good choice?
I love people point harrowmont as paragon of goodness because behlen is ruthless so that means harrowmont has to be good.
I meant in the sense that Harrowmont came across as a good person. Since he didn't murder his brothers, etc.
Ofcourse the epilogue also shows that Harrowmont is really a dick.
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I meant in the sense that Harrowmont came across as a good person. Since he didn't murder his brothers, etc.
Ofcourse the epilogue also shows that Harrowmont is really a dick.
It's more like Dwarves in general are dicks. 
He's just following tradition. Harrowmont is a decent one among them, on a personal level... but that doesn't mean much.
I meant in the sense that Harrowmont came across as a good person. Since he didn't murder his brothers, etc.
Ofcourse the epilogue also shows that Harrowmont is really a dick.
Harrowmont was blind supporter of very abusive system he don't have moral ground in this conflict pretty much it is like chosing good guy in lawful evil vs chaotic evil conflict.
So there is no good guy in that conflict both are di*** with that behlen is competent one.
Say, I just realized something: that agent of Leliana's who gets murdered? His name is Farrier. Someone who makes horse shoes. No wonder she's mad that he's dead! Also the Butler did it.
Edit: I know it's a code name, but still...
One thing I've noticed about Inquisition is that, whenever you ask a companion what do they think about Leliana (excluding Josie) it can basically be summed up as:
She scares me...
Hell, even Cass seems a little bit intimidated by her. 
Hell, even Cass seems a little bit intimidated by her.
Eh...I never caught that.
Cassandra basically shoots down Leliana on ideas openly and they have disagreements and bickering as well.
That isn't normally a reaction associated with intimidation.
What's the deal with hardening and unhardening Leliana all the time. You had to do the same thing in DA:O?
Like Morrigan I absolutely love her character development. I like the dark closed off intimidating spymaster with her crows she had become in DA:I. I work to unharden her and make her the care free spirit she once was.
I want to make Leliana Divine but how do you trigger to support her at the war table?
What's the deal with hardening and unhardening Leliana all the time. You had to do the same thing in DA:O?
Like Morrigan I absolutely love her character development. I like the dark closed off intimidating spymaster with her crows she had become in DA:I. I work to unharden her and make her the care free spirit she once was.
I want to make Leliana Divine but how do you trigger to support her at the war table?
After years of experience, handling the Divine's spy network and keeping her safe from assassins, I'd say Leliana is capable of protecting herself. Her open-door policy regarding Chantry rules is commendable but it's the aftermath of her ascension to the Sunburst Throne that worries me. In the unhardened version of her rule, she only manage to keep the peace briefly whereas in her hardened version of her rule, she turns to bloodshed. Either way, the next Divine after her reign is going to have her hands full. If she fails to live up to Leliana's example (reverting back to useless tradition or getting herself assassinated), then the bloodshed that occurred during Leliana's reign was all for naught.
Where does it say peace is maintained briefly? Briefly implies that chaos is absolutely expected. In her epilogue, both cases, unity in the Chantry is maintained, mages gained unprecedented acceptance in Thedas and Templars if sided with, cast aside their lyrium addiction chains and are free of dictation from the chantry and become seekers, following their own views of justice and rededicate themselves to justice for all- including the mages. A world ruled by justice instead of fear.
If another Divine tries to subvert her reforms, As Josephine says about the Inquisition if they try to take back the alliance with the mages: "it makes the Chantry look tyrannical at worse, incompetent at best," A Divine that would try to do so would just be destroying the chantry and they'd be the one assassinated as the Chantry has casted aside being a political bludgeon under Leliana's reign and relies on good will. Her reforms are not easily subverted especially when the templars aren't dependent on the Chantry to enable their lyrium addiction since they are Seekers and Circle mages are given legal standing to govern themselves.
As Morrigan says: "Change is coming to the world. Many fear change and will fight it with every fiber of their being. But sometimes, change is what they need the most. Sometimes, change is what sets them free."
Where does it say peace is maintained briefly? Briefly implies that chaos is absolutely expected. In her epilogue, both cases, unity in the Chantry is maintained, mages gained unprecedented acceptance in Thedas and Templars if sided with, cast aside their lyrium addiction chains and are free of dictation from the chantry and become seekers, following their own views of justice and rededicate themselves to justice for all- including the mages. A world ruled by justice instead of fear.
If another Divine tries to subvert her reforms, As Josephine says about the Inquisition if they try to take back the alliance with the mages: "it makes the Chantry look tyrannical at worse, incompetent at best," Her reforms are not easily subverted.
As Morrigan says: "Change is coming to the world. Many fear change and will fight it with every fiber of their being. But sometimes, change is what they need the most. Sometimes, change is what sets them free."
My bad. The epilogue mentioned "for the time being". But that could also mean trouble isn't far behind.
The Chantry had already proven itself weak when the Breach happened. The Chantry collapsing again due to an incompetent Divine isn't new. The Divine is just a figurehead of the Chantry. Whether Leliana's reforms can be subverted remains to be seen. If Leliana fails to gather enough support during her reign, the next Divine is gonna have a hard time maintaining her predecessor's reforms.
Change is a good thing, yes. But that depends. Is it going to be like the Mage-Templar war all over again where the innocents get caught up in between? Change is all fine and good but failure in protecting those at the sidelines spells disaster as well.
My bad. The epilogue mentioned "for the time being". But that could also mean trouble isn't far behind.
The Chantry has already proven itself weak when the Breach happened. The Chantry collapsing again due to an incompetent Divine isn't new. The Divine is just a figurehead of the Chantry. Whether Leliana's reforms can be subverted remains to be seen. If Leliana fails to gather enough support during her reign, the next Divine is gonna have a hard time maintaining her predecessor's reforms.
The templars and the mages declared their independence from the Chantry and it is officialized by Leliana and the Inquisition is it's own political power. If the Chantry wanted to subvert her reforms, the subversive sects are the ones that need to gather support in doing so, The chantry is a church of preachers, under Divine Victoria, sometimes perhaps spies. If the next Divine wants to revert back the Chantry into a theological tyrannical empire which I think in your interpretation is when the chantry was "strong", they're the one facing an uphill battle and is the one that needs support. Frankly I doubt mages and templars will like going back following what the Chantry dictates as right or wrong and nations such as Kirkwall being politically pressured by it.
The templars and the mages declared their independence from the Chantry and it is officialized by Leliana and the Inquisition is it's own political power. If the Chantry wanted to subvert her reforms, the subversive sects are the ones that need to gather support in doing so, The chantry is a church of preachers, under Divine Victoria, sometimes perhaps spies. If the next Divine wants to revert back the Chantry into a theological tyrannical empire which I think in your interpretation is when the chantry was "strong", they're the one facing an uphill battle and is the one that needs support.
That depends on whether Leliana can ensure her reforms are accepted by many. If many still do not share her ideals by the time she's gone, the opportunists can revert the Chantry back to its traditional ways just as easily if the next Divine's resolve isn't as strong as her predecessor's.
That depends on whether Leliana can ensure her reforms are accepted by many. If many still do not share her ideals by the time she's gone, the opportunists can revert the Chantry back to its traditional ways just as easily if the next Divine's resolve isn't as strong as her predecessor's.
Not everyone was a fan of the traditional Chantry and are wiling to go back to the way things were gently. The Chantry no longer ensures peace through force as their way of doing things, her successor has as much political power as the Pope- words and preaching nothing more. If the next divine doesn't have any resolve, what's the worse can happen, they recite the words of peace ect and wag their fingers when war erupts and take the credit when peace is resolved. And if the next Divine is brash enough to make enemies and start a world wide war taking sides, well we'll see which way the wind blows. the next divine has as much to lose by backing away from neutrality as she has to gain.
Not everyone was a fan of the traditional Chantry and are wiling to go back to the way things were gently. The Chantry no longer ensures peace through force as their way of doing things, her successor has as much political power as the Pope- words and preaching nothing more. And if the next Divine is brash enough to make enemies and start a world wide war, well we'll see which way the wind blows.
Leliana's reforms are rather quick and sudden as far as "brash" goes. It's chaotic (it happens in Cass' and Viv's case as well) but we don't know the outcomes for each of them yet. Are they successful? Or is it still an ongoing chaos where innocents got stuck in between like the Ferelden refugees during Mage-Templar war?
Most battles declared by the Divine are carried out by Templars and Seekers. By declaring the independence of both Mages and Templars from the Chantry... let's just hope the Divine knows where to get her manpower to carry out her will. Mages alone aren't enough to carry out the Divine's will. With the Mages running freely, are the Templars and Seekers okay with that? If not, are they willing to help the Divine should she need some killing done? Are the Templars and Seekers ready to accept Leliana's reforms? The epilogue didn't say much on whether Leliana's reforms are successful (what a cliffhanger...) so here's hoping.
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