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[dsl08002]

I just hope that if we get a cure the calling DLC which involves the warden is that Leliana is active as character. That she wants to be involved and is not sitting on the bench for this one.

[mrcrazyman]

David Gaider mentioned this on his blog

 

http://dgaider.tumbl...pment-follow-up

 

If you've been following this is something got changed early in development regarding a scene that could be interpreted as rape and thus changed. Turns out it was the envy demon seducing you as Leliana during the templar quest and how the follow up would be handled.

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

...alright, yeah, I'm glad that changed. That would have been...uncomfortable.

[Todrazok]

Agreed, that would've been going overboard. I did the envy demon quest for the first time in my current second playthrough, and it's great as it is

[Korva]

Very interesting, I'd been curious about the answer to that question for a while, and I'm glad they changed it.

[Wulfram]

So they were OK with the actual rape by deception of the PC but not the squickyness of the demon using Leliana's form? Odd. But glad they got rid of it, anyway.

[Basement Cat]

So they were OK with the actual rape by deception of the PC but not the squickyness of the demon using Leliana's form? Odd. But glad they got rid of it, anyway.

Yeah, that part bothered me too. I'm willing to guess the PC in that example was male and the double standard was in full effect.

[RobRam10]

Well that sucks that could have been a epic mindfuckery a Demon trying to seduce us to get us now thats something I expect a Demon to do

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

I would not mind it actually. The idea of a demon using a form of someone familiar to try and seduce you Is rather uncomfortable and unsettling, but that is the point.

 

That said, I am glad they changed it, but that is more because of pacing issues.

[TheKomandorShepard]

I don't see reason why change it i mean we could sell connor soul for having sex with demon in dao so well...

[RobRam10]

I don't see reason why change it i mean we could sell connor soul for having sex with demon in dao so well...

Oh please they've reduce everything thats consider evil at this point

 

We can no longer sell the souls of children to demons for power

We can no longer allow slavers to take their newly aquire elven slaves

We can no longer desecrate the ashes of a religion's Prophet

[TheKomandorShepard]

Oh please they've reduce everything thats consider evil at this point

 

We can no longer sell the souls of children to demons for power

We can no longer allow slavers to take their newly aquire elven slaves

We can no longer desecrate the ashes of a religion's Prophet

Well sadly we can't play rly as selfish or/and ruthless character in dai that have no lines they won't cross like in old good times.

[Lady Rina]

Please forgive me if this has already been answered, but is telling Leliana not to kill her old acquaintance back in Haven really that important if you want to "soften" her? I've been supportive of her letting go every time except for that one instance, but when I did her quest, the options to soften her didn't work. Am I really going to have to restart my game if I want to do that? 

[TheKomandorShepard]

Please forgive me if this has already been answered, but is telling Leliana not to kill her old acquaintance back in Haven really that important if you want to "soften" her? I've been supportive of her letting go every time except for that one instance, but when I did her quest, the options to soften her didn't work. Am I really going to have to restart my game if I want to do that? 

yes

[wright1978]

Well that sucks that could have been a epic mindfuckery a Demon trying to seduce us to get us now thats something I expect a Demon to do

Yeah agree completely.

[introverted_assassin]

David Gaider mentioned this on his blog

http://dgaider.tumbl...pment-follow-up

If you've been following this is something got changed early in development regarding a scene that could be interpreted as rape and thus changed. Turns out it was the envy demon seducing you as Leliana during the templar quest and how the follow up would be handled.

quite uncomfortable. for survivors and also for Leli because...NO. glad that was cut. who thinks of these things man?

[StrangeStrategy]

Just came from Gaider's blog to see what Leliana fans would think. I actually remember this controversy waaay before DAI was released, its interesting to see what it was all about now. What did I do to my post, its all on the side? Anyway.

 

Am I a bad person for not minding that? Demons are creepy.  Desire demons have always freaked me out the most, the way they turn something I consider pure (Love) into something evil. The Envy demon isn't a desire demon, so the whole seduction thing may have been out of place... But I don't really mind it. Its creepy, its shocking, its wrong, its "off": Its everything I'd expect from a demon.

Leaving that in would have been controversial (Ha, Imagine if they made Cullen seduce the Herald) but I think it would have been awesome. Whenever we're in the fade, its far too obvious. Solas's fade conversation was awesome because I knew it was off (Why are there weird sounds cutting in? How did we get to Haven so fast? WHY is the breach thriving??!) but didn't come to the conclusion until he told me. It was really cool... I would have liked it if they kept some of this in.

[introverted_assassin]

there isn't anything enticing or sexy about that. I would much rather be seduced by Leli as she is...well my City Elf was anyway. Not some creepy rapey thing. No. FereldaNO. Chateau de NO.

[mrcrazyman]

I kind of get the impression that similar to the Matt Rhodes concept arts that this was a fairly early idea that fortunately got dropped when common sense prevailed. For instance in the podcast with Patrick Weekes I posted on a previous page he mentions that Mary Kirby and Sylvia Feketekuty wrote the mage and templar questlines yet to his memory David Gaider mentions that it was a male writer who wrote this part. Now I don't know how they write stuff or if it was handled by just them or a team but that combined with him stating it was an early version of the plot and "if I recall correctly" makes me think this was pretty old stuff. As for the "realistic" version of the Fade you really don't know how that would be implemented and how it relates to what we got regarding that quest in the finished product. I look at the issue in question and see how it relates to a violation towards the Inqusitor and Leliana and unless said thing results in a game over like Morinth in ME2 it just seems like they would be asking for trouble (even with a game over it seems like an issue). Maybe I'm just pessimistic but it kind of seems this would be catered to a certain audience and serve as incentive to side with the templars and follow this path as the whole "severe consequences for accepting" seems somewhat laughable given how we pretty much need to play as a nice person with no real consequences for your actions in what we got in the finished product.

[AWTEW]

My Warden was with Leliana but sacrificed herself -- I could never pick another ending, really, it was simply perfect for what I wanted from that game. Going by Leliana's dialog, that is probably part of the reason why she went Bardic scary mode again despite me not "hardening" her in Origins. I think Leliana's situation and personality in Inquisition actually make the most sense with the Warden either dead or not very close to her.

I share this sentiment. Biowares default world/cannon is a dead warden, so it's not surprising.

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

I'm having fun trying to imagine what my reaction would be if that was still in the game and I was completely oblivious to the whole dream sequence thing, though. 

 

leliana wut r u doin im not the warden anymore damnit why are you what brought this on stahp ur confused im confused stahp plz i cant

 

[Serza]

Am I the only one who wishes they kept what they originally intended, and just... didn't take it as far?

 

I mean, if they got rid of the rape bit, it would be much cooler IMHO.

 

So, yeah. You return to Haven, Leliana starts asking odd questions... and either you call her out on it early, or further events eventually tell you something is wrong, perhaps there'd be even a game over screen if you really didn't realize...?

 

Just, never go as far as the original idea was. That was kinda bad. Odd questions, odd stuff happening, that's it.

[wright1978]

Just came from Gaider's blog to see what Leliana fans would think. I actually remember this controversy waaay before DAI was released, its interesting to see what it was all about now. What did I do to my post, its all on the side? Anyway.

 

Am I a bad person for not minding that? Demons are creepy.  Desire demons have always freaked me out the most, the way they turn something I consider pure (Love) into something evil. The Envy demon isn't a desire demon, so the whole seduction thing may have been out of place... But I don't really mind it. Its creepy, its shocking, its wrong, its "off": Its everything I'd expect from a demon.
Leaving that in would have been controversial (Ha, Imagine if they made Cullen seduce the Herald) but I think it would have been awesome. Whenever we're in the fade, its far too obvious. Solas's fade conversation was awesome because I knew it was off (Why are there weird sounds cutting in? How did we get to Haven so fast? WHY is the breach thriving??!) but didn't come to the conclusion until he told me. It was really cool... I would have liked it if they kept some of this in.

I'm a leliana fan and while it would have been uncomfortable, as player having uncomfortable elements can be good. So I'm on the slightly disappointed this got changed. I can see it would make more sense from a desire demon than an envy one. Hope that's why it got changed rather than the uncomfortable element.

[introverted_assassin]

I'm trying to understand how y'all keep saying y'all would be okay with this. I really...don't get it.

[Korva]

@introverted_assassin: Yeah, me either. Aside from the crappiness towards the player character, it'd also have been highly crappy towards Leliana. It's not like games don't exploit female characters' sexuality too much as it is. And she's one of those untrustworthy, insatiable, unable-to-commit bisexuals, so it makes even more sense to have her likeness as the embodiment of evil and temptation ... (In case there's any doubt: that was heavy-duty sarcasm mode.) That would have stuck with the character's image through no fault of her own.

 

I'm really glad it was changed.