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[MissDragon]

I think that is why Solas' desk is such a cluttered mess. He's the type who'd normally strike me as neat and tidy, but why clean it up when the Inquisitor could slamdunk herself onto it AGAIN at any moment?

 

Still, that's nothing compared to the collective heart attacks my Inquisitor keeps giving the people in the courtyards when she merrily jumps off roofs and battlements as a shortcut. I admit, it's entirely too much fun.

 

I keep meaning to jump onto the sloping roofs and then to the ground...but get goose pimples just thinking about it. But I am sure I will one day..just on the spur of the moment.

[mrcrazyman]

I think that is why Solas' desk is such a cluttered mess. He's the type who'd normally strike me as neat and tidy, but why clean it up when the Inquisitor could slamdunk herself onto it AGAIN at any moment?

 

If I were him I'd be more worried about the mess from Leliana's birds. He's right below all the cages

[N7_Heartfire]

My Inquisitor spent most of his time in that tower. I mean, Leliana, Dorian, Solas, it's where all the fun is at. :3

 

There was actually this funny post on tumblr about those three pranking each other. And what I find rather interesting is how Leliana seems to be the only non-mage in that tower. Like, I feel that tower was specifically the mages' quarters, but Lels doesn't mind, mages are her bros.

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

If I were him I'd be more worried about the mess from Leliana's birds. He's right below all the cages

That's why his head is so shiny, he spends half his time cleaning it after aerial bird crap bombardment. :S

[thesuperdarkone2]

Interesting that Leliana reforms the Seekers if you ally with the Templars:

 

https://www.youtube....hjO3Z578Y#t=187

[N7_Heartfire]

Personally for me, Divine Leliana + Lord Seeker Cassandra is the best outcome for Inquisition.  Mages are given freedom, but Cass' Seekers are here if trouble starts brewing. :3

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

I'm still sticking with Divine Cassandra myself. Leliana as Victoria still just feels...wrong to me, tbh.

[wright1978]

Personally for me, Divine Leliana + Lord Seeker Cassandra is the best outcome for Inquisition.  Mages are given freedom, but Cass' Seekers are here if trouble starts brewing. :3

 

That's my combo too.

[GenericEnemy]

I'm still sticking with Divine Cassandra myself. Leliana as Victoria still just feels...wrong to me, tbh.

 

all of the Divine candidates feel out of place to me IMO, but why Leliana specifically if I may ask? I think she feels more right than Vivienne at least. 

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

all of the Divine candidates feel out of place to me IMO, but why Leliana specifically if I may ask? I think she feels more right than Vivienne at least. 

 

Don't like what she does, for starters. Letting non-humans into the Chantry and making sure no-one is turned away? That's awesome, I approve. But...dissolving the Circles entirely? Scrapping the Templars entirely? Nah. I'll take an improved, reformed Circle over no Circle imo, I can only see the latter ending horribly, especially when done that hastily - and in the wake of...well, all this. I find it incredibly difficult to believe she actually pulls it off in the first place. 

 

Also, just from a character standpoint, her becoming Divine feels off. 'The left hand should lay down her burdens...' Justinia's message said. So... *picks up even more burdens* 

 

In the long run, I feel like that's just...a bad call for her.

 

And last but not least, admittedly a big reason for me...even with the confirmation that Leliana becoming Divine Victoria doesn't spell the end of Warden/Leliana...I just can't see it. Her being Left Hand of the Divine seems like it was a hurdle already, now Divine? My Warden's case seems especially set up for tragedy, when she's a Dalish Elf. I can only see that ending badly for both parties involved. At this point, I'd sooner just let her go through with her original plan, join her and find some happiness. I reckon they both deserve it after all this time.

 

But hey, this is why I'm glad for choices.

[PickledGear]

Doodled Leliana for a friend's new year card this year.

 

[Basement Cat]

Gotta love this artist.

 

http://afragmentcast...ashtrays/page/3

[N7_Heartfire]

Poor Cass, both Varric and Leliana lied to her. 

I foresee a Cass-Leliana fight scene in a DLC where the Warden returns and Cass realises she's been screwed all over again.

[Barquiel]

Personally for me, Divine Leliana + Lord Seeker Cassandra is the best outcome for Inquisition.  Mages are given freedom, but Cass' Seekers are here if trouble starts brewing. :3

 
That's my canon worldstate too. I admit that Leliana and my city elf warden travelling together again would be awesome (+ Leliana wouldn't have to wear an ugly hat), but all of my major choices favor Leliana versus Cassandra...and I don't really want to change any them.

 

And sure, Leliana is radical, but I think that's what's necessary right now...while I felt Cassandra would be better suited to rebuild the Seekers.

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

I'm still convinced that the whole thing with Leliana knowing where the Warden was all along wasn't the original plan. 

 

I'm guessing at one point in the original draft of DA:I she was actually telling the truth when she said that it's 'no coincidence.' 

 

Now she just looks like she put that whole idea in Cassandra's head to throw her off the trail or something. :S

[jlb524]

Personally for me, Divine Leliana + Lord Seeker Cassandra is the best outcome for Inquisition. Mages are given freedom, but Cass' Seekers are here if trouble starts brewing. :3

This is always what I end up with. Will be my canon ofc.

[Nerdage]

I just figured she lost contact with the Warden after they left on their mission and only recently (aka between DA2 and Inquisition) got to make contact again; the Warden is off the map of known Thedas after all, there's no forwarding address for that. That makes a lot more sense if Leliana didn't know about the warden's mission though, maybe they were called to Weisshaupt and were sent straight on to it, but it does sound more like the Warden's mission was a personal one rather than an assignment when you talk with Leliana about it (and some other places it comes up).

 

Honestly, I feel like plans changed for the Warden at some point and wires got crossed between DA2 and DAI, because Leliana lying to Cassandra and the Divine just doesn't make sense to me. If she was trying to protect the Hero, or she wanted to have the extra 20-odd years together, letting them go alone into the unknown regions on a mission they might not even succeed on was a huge risk anyway, with the added worry of simply never hearing from them again, which is assuming she actually cares more about the Warden's safety than she does averting a full-on war and serving the Maker, which I'm not sure she does; in the first case, after the blight she must see the Warden doesn't need that kind of protecting, and the second... that just seems more selfish than I'd expect from her; DAI Leliana is big into sacrifice sometimes.

 

Maybe she knew the Warden was beyond reach anyway and just didn't want to reveal too much for some reason, but then why not just say they're beyond reach? And why string out the whole "no coincidence" thing? That can't have done her own goals any good. Hmm... I'm getting a headache.

 

I hope it's ironed out at some point. As it stands, I don't even know if Cassandra knows about the Warden by the end of Inquisition; there was no confrontation between them about it, or even any mention of it, but was it still a secret even after the Warden's letter to the Inquisitor? Was Cassandra out that day?

 

 

Two Edits: First: Holy text-wall, Batman! Second: The whole thing can be lumped in with the "I will return to them"/"my place is here" thing as "times the Leliana romance seemed to be at odds with the rest of the game". Could just be the process of making the romance import work with what they wanted to do with the rest of the character was a bit of an afterthought and these are the wrinkles because of it.

Modifié par Nerdage, 08 janvier 2015 - 01:45 .

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

Yeah, I did like what Leliana/Warden romance content was there, gave me very warm fuzzy feels, but it did feel a little...tacked on, rather than integrated naturally. I almost feel like they sketched up her role in DAI, wrote it all out, and then realized 'Oh shit! She could have a long time lover of ten years somewhere!' and put some stuff in without adapting the other bits to it. Hence all the weird inconsistencies, her seeming to have no reservations at all on becoming Divine, etc...

I mean, the little mention of the Warden at Valence was the only one that actually occured in a cutscene rather than just one of those ambient free-cam conversations.

[mrcrazyman]

Honestly, I feel like plans changed for the Warden at some point and wires got crossed between DA2 and DAI, because Leliana lying to Cassandra and the Divine just doesn't make sense to me.

Two Edits: First: Holy text-wall, Batman! Second: The whole thing can be lumped in with the "I will return to them"/"my place is here" thing as "times the Leliana romance seemed to be at odds with the rest of the game". Could just be the process of making the romance import work with what they wanted to do with the rest of the character was a bit of an afterthought and these are the wrinkles because of it.

 

 

Yeah, I did like what Leliana/Warden romance content was there, gave me very warm fuzzy feels, but it did feel a little...tacked on, rather than integrated naturally. I almost feel like they sketched up her role in DAI, wrote it all out, and then realized 'Oh ****! She could have a long time lover of ten years somewhere!' and put some stuff in without adapting the other bits to it. Hence all the weird inconsistencies, her seeming to have no reservations at all on becoming Divine, etc...

I mean, the little mention of the Warden at Valence was the only one that actually occured in a cutscene rather than just one of those ambient free-cam conversations.

 

 

Gotta agree that there is weird flow from her arc and romance import although I don't think they quite pulled a Thane and forgot. There's things like the Valance mention and that an early Skyhold convo "With the Hof I thought I could do anything...no happy endings.. Divine called I owed her that much etc.." and makes me think that she was written with romance references that are safe and make sense as they are all things in the past that don't hint at current Warden knowledge or even an active romance before they decided what to do with the current Hof situation. I recall reading they considered a Warden inclusion but it was too problematic with all the variables and dropped. Not to mention that romance import content is secondary to the actual character arc they wanted to tell especially for Leliana who has been built so much in games, dlc, books etc. When I look at the Alistair/Morrigan/Leliana romance imports and they all have very similar gushy things to say about the romance when asked about the Warden and upon receiving the letter.   As for the current knowledge of the whereabouts of the Hof she doesn't technically know where they are and you don't know if she always could contact them but it's one of those things where changing it to make more sense just for a romance import likely isn't worth the effort. I seem to recall the nonromance import is something like her agents have found signs of the whereabouts and will try to make contact so it could be something requiring years of searching to find finally coming to fruition.

[mrcrazyman]

Some stuff I found looking through the talktables is that there seems some stuff in her personal quest that got cut. Maybe this happens if she was never recruited or something but it seems her knife she was slipped to escape the dungeons all that time ago in her dlc played a part. It's hard to tell since there is no real flow at all to the dialogue and it's strings all over the place but you can kind of piece it together.

 

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[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

Kinda sounds like she was supposed to put the knife away, probably in some symbolic way representing the unhardened path or something.

And I actually forgot about that conversation upon arriving at Skyhold, that Warden reference definitely felt fitting as well. Was pretty sad when you think about it, with Leliana's whole 'I sacrificed so much to do the Maker's work...' coupled with the fact that we now know that Justinia met the Warden, and likely knew what she was taking her away from as well...lawd, feels.

[Nerdage]

I almost wish the scene stayed like that, because the whole Divine scratching a message on the inside of a wooden box thing seemed kind of weird too. A note would be easier, surely?

 

Also, "putting the knife in the box", ey? Welcome to Carry On Inquisiting, I guess. 

[Han Shot First]

Doodled Leliana for a friend's new year card this year.

 

 

That's awesome.

[wright1978]

Some stuff I found looking through the talktables is that there seems some stuff in her personal quest that got cut. Maybe this happens if she was never recruited or something but it seems her knife she was slipped to escape the dungeons all that time ago in her dlc played a part. It's hard to tell since there is no real flow at all to the dialogue and it's strings all over the place but you can kind of piece it together.

 

Spoiler

Interesting that maybe at one point they were going to go for symbolism of putting knife away or keeping it.

[Basement Cat]

What if Leliana lived in the modern world?

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Notice the cigarette brand and the name of the wine. XD

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