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Sister Nightingale: Leliana in DA:I Appreciation&Discussion (Nope, still not romanceable)


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Yep she is and im not talking about her story arc because it is matter of opinion if it was good or bad but character overall painted in story.

 

I love how fans can't stand criticism toward favorite character so they pull hater card i was accused by leliana , morrigan and hawke fans despite i even liked morrigan in dao and i protected hawke when it comes about certain things.

 

Yes im not big leliana fan but i don't hate her i hate talis and in fact i can tell you that in dao leliana wasn't mary sue but after that sadly writers turned her into mary sue and i pointed why she is one.

 

Criticism is fine, all these DA characters have there flaws and I'm sure the regulars here are more than aware of Leliana's shortcomings. I'm just calling BS on your Leliana is a mary-sue status, as she is not. But if you want to continue mis-using the term welp go ahead. 


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Criticism is fine, all these DA characters have there flaws and I'm sure the regulars here are more than aware of Leliana's shortcomings. I'm just calling BS on your Leliana is a mary-sue status, as she is not. But if you want to continue mis-using the term welp go ahead. 

Hardly considering that i asked one of devs if we can remove leliana (1 way or another for example by killing her) in that topic after that i was surrounded by a large and angry group of her fans screaming that im troll because how i dare ask if we will have option to kill leliana ,pretty much only 1 fan was civil.

 

To back on topic i already explained who mary sue is and pretty why leliana is mary sue in dai she have a lot mary sue traits i pointed them and nothing goes on her flaws as i said outside her crisis of faith (what isn't flaw) pretty much all goes into how awsome ,sexy and super-genius she is by other characters and much more than i pointed before but im to lazy write about it again.



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>mfw when we were just having a pretty in-depth discussion about one of her biggest personal flaws just a few pages ago. Y'know, the one that's pretty much been central to her character development since bloody DA:O.

 

Anyway, I'm just about done with this entire discussion. I already have enough of a headache. 


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>mfw when we were just having a pretty in-depth discussion about one of her biggest personal flaws just a few pages ago.

 

Anyway, I'm just about done with this entire discussion. I already have enough of a headache. 

What is never even pointed in-universe or story besides player interpretation of her character.

 

Hell i can discuss about aizen (bleach) being too proud won't change he is still villian sue.



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Hardly considering that i asked one of devs if we can remove leliana (1 way or another for example by killing her) in that topic after that i was surrounded by a large and angry group of her fans screaming that im troll because how i dare ask if we will have option to kill leliana ,pretty much only 1 fan was civil.

 

To back on topic i already explained who mary sue is and pretty why leliana is mary sue in dai she have a lot mary sue traits i pointed them and nothing goes on her flaws as i said outside her crisis of faith (what isn't flaw) pretty much all goes into how awsome ,sexy and super-genius she is by other characters and much more than i pointed before but im to lazy write about it again.

 

I+have+no+realistic+comments+or+opinions

 

 

 

 

(That's not what Mary Sue means.)



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(That's not what Mary Sue means.)

Saying you can't understand my post , trying to argue about content of same post few lines below brilliant!

 

Well i checked wiki and few more sites now and pretty much more or less it says things im saying.



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Mary Sue traits:

 

1.Usually young.

2.Extremely competent, to the point they can do everyone else's job better than they can.

3.Little to no personality of their own.

4.Unusual/special talents.

5.Unusual/special physical appearance.

6.Their opinions are seen as gospel.

7. People take an instant liking to them.

8. Incorruptible.

9. Major flaw is usually stubbornness.

10. Constantly whines about their non existent problems.

11. Gets special treatment from the other characters.

12. Often the heir to a great legacy.

 

So, let's examine Leliana with these:

 

1. Nope. She's already close to her 30s when we meet her in Origins.

2. Nope. That's why she calls upon Josephine to handle the diplomacy aspect in the first place.

3. Plenty of personality. She likes animals, fine clothing in general, shoes in particular. She feels strongly about mage issues and the Chantry. She has faith and she is devoted to the people who matter to her.

4. Nothing special. Nobody mentions any talent that is mind blowing.

5. She's pretty, but nobody goes crazy about it. Her features are normal.

6. Nope. Cullen, Josephine and Cassandra disagree with her plenty.

7. Nope. Morrigan and Loghain disliked her immensely on first acquaintance.

8. Oh my no. She lets a lot of people influence her for the worst, Marjolaine being the prime example here.

9. Nope. Her major flaw is her tendency to let people influence her to the point she loses sight of herself.

10. Nope. The one time she complains (the crisis of Faith moment) she apologizes right after it happens. Not a complainer.

11. Nope. She's expected to do her job and held accountable for it. Especially by Cassandra.

12. Nope. Her parents were nobodies. Dorothea reached out to her because of their shared misery at the hands of Marjolaine. Not because she's special.

 

There are more elements that do not fit with a Sue: Alistair outright called her crazy on first acquaintance, Morrigan and Zevran mocked her for her beliefs, Oghren didn't seem to have any interest in her beyond ogling and Loghain dismissed her as just another Orlesian.

 

She is prone to letting her emotions guide her judgement. The decision to kill the agent at the beginning came from wanting to protect the others but also possibly from a desire for revenge. Same thing with her doubt about pulling the scouts back later. She constantly questions herself and usually goes into 'I should have done things differently'. A Sue would go for 'I did my best. It wasn't my fault. There was nothing else I could do'. Also the critical character would get yelled at by everyone else.

 

As for the 'writer's pet' status. It's possible, but her presence does add something to the story of Inquisition in her contrast with Cassandra. Leliana was friends with the Divine while Cassandra had a professional relationship with her. The situation is inverted with the Inquisitor. We can never get as close to Leliana as we can with Cassandra. The writers could simply have decided that her story wasn't quite over yet and decided to close it with this game.

 

There are two elements that could be seen as Sue traits:

 

The 'soft Divine' ending and her resistance to the Blight. The latter is unfortunately never explained, but perhaps we'll find more people in future games who share this trait.


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LoL those aren't MS trait well some are as in fact lead to poorly writen perfect character  .

 

But pretty much ignored other traits that help create such character.

 

MS don't have to be even young but to point things leliana look like 20 years old despite age you have mentioned.Hell "flaw" stubbornness is against MS because MS can't have flaw or flaw have be irrelevant or just small so character can't be stubborn and it been seen as flaw.Not mention "lack personality" argument.

 

Pretty much more at least few characters throws how they would gladly sleep with her ,throws how big genius she is or how awsome she is hell it is pretty much all companions or character around say about her save for viviene who once says she would handle badly mage stuff.And no Morrigan and Loghain were in dao where i exactly said she wasn't mary sue. 

 

To be honest im rly tried talking about same so pretty much you can read my previous posts that point her epilogue (not only for ULeliana that pretty much demolish your 2 point about joshe) ,to pretty much her treatment in story and more.



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Saying you can't understand my post , trying to argue about content of same post few lines below brilliant!

 

I don't think the word "argue" means what you think it means. In fact, most of the words that you use don't mean what you think they mean.

 

Well i checked wiki and few more sites now and pretty much more or less it says things im saying.

 

I don't believe you read or understood anything from any reputable site. Certainly not about what you've been posting. Your posts make very little sense, and you have the definitions of even basic words like "understand" confused.



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I don't think the word "argue" means what you think it means. In fact, most of the words that you use don't mean what you think they mean.

 

 

I don't believe you read or understood anything from any reputable site. Certainly not about what you've been posting. Your posts make very little sense, and you have the definitions of even basic words like "understand" confused.

And this point all i can see is your rage trying to insult me with rather pathetic insults that i don't understand words like argue or understand very low my friend you should wait on the moment you will calm down.  ;) 



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Hardly considering that i asked one of devs if we can remove leliana (1 way or another for example by killing her) in that topic after that i was surrounded by a large and angry group of her fans screaming that im troll because how i dare ask if we will have option to kill leliana ,pretty much only 1 fan was civil.

 

To back on topic i already explained who mary sue is and pretty why leliana is mary sue in dai she have a lot mary sue traits i pointed them and nothing goes on her flaws as i said outside her crisis of faith (what isn't flaw) pretty much all goes into how awsome ,sexy and super-genius she is by other characters and much more than i pointed before but im to lazy write about it again.

 

K, I get not liking a character but I need to understand something, when/where did she act/claim she was a super- genius? Example plox.

I played this game plenty, perhaps my version is faulty.

 

I'm sorry thread I can't help myself



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K, I get not liking a character but I need to understand something, when/where did she act/claim she was a super- genius? Example plox.

I played this game plenty, perhaps my version is faulty.

 

I'm sorry thread I can't help myself

Solas ,varric and pretty much other peoples comments if they don't mention her being awsome/terrifying/pretty and well we have warden if romanced her in letter ,still nothing in comparison where the warden tells us that morrigan is wise (sorry wisest person they ever meet) what made me laugh
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I'm sorry thread I can't help myself

 

I know what you mean.


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I know what you mean.

 

I just watched a really good movie on Netflix, Dale and Tucker vs Evil. Bloody hilarious, watch it.


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I just watched a really good movie on Netflix, Dale and Tucker vs Evil. Bloody hilarious, watch it.

 

Okay. I will take that under advisement.

 

We're being so subtle with our teensy text I'm sure no one notices...


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Okay. I will take that under advisement.

 

We're being so subtle with our teensy text I'm sure no one notices...

 

Yeah be sure too.

 

We're super smart we are.


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We're super smart we are.

 

If we go any smaller, even we won't know we're doing it...



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no. we didn notice. :ph34r:

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Did anyone ever get Cassandra's dialogue about Schmooples?

 

 

I literally just discovered it a few moments ago. Always got Blackwall's comments about nug racing before that. :S

 

*oblivious to the quiet people above*


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*oblivious to the quiet people above*

 

It's working!



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no. we didn notice. :ph34r:

 

Ah good. Lels would be proud of our super sneaky skillz.

 

*No Snooks I've yet to get that dialogue in game, next playthrough I'll bring along Cass*



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That modern day Leliana fanart from a while back has been continued on. Interesting once again.  ^_^

 

Spoiler

 

http://romans-art.tu...-age-origins-au


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^^^ohhh it got better!

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Leli sempai feeling 'protective'.

 

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By Fabrecactus


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Random question: what kind of wine would Leliana prefer? Dry? Fruity? Red? White? Rosé? Sparkling?

 

I can see her as a bubbly fancier.