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[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

I like her bobcut and braid combo, but she would look gorgeous with long hair. Aimo apparently thinks so too.

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[Basement Cat]

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While the picture is gorgeous, I can't help but think pink is not her color. Blue would be better on her, I think.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Played Champions of the Just again the other day.

 

Man how I wished they had gone with the original concept.

 

You just wished you could sex up Leliana one last time. 

[Milan92]

You just wished you could sex up Leliana one last time. 

 

For old time's sake!

[ZerioctheTank]

Played Champions of the Just again the other day.

Man how I wished they had gone with the original concept.

I agree it really would of gave it that extra umph. I wish they would have never said anything about the original concept because now it seems like the best one compared to what we have now. There should be more dark things in the game but that is my opinion.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

I wish they said they decided to cut it for pacing reasons, that it would drag the mission far too much because that is a reason I can agree with. The pacing of the current version is pretty much perfect. And because simply cutting it away because of such reasons wouldn't preclude the idea from returning in further installments.

 

But because it was cut due to political correctness, I doubt we will ever see such a scenario happening. Which is a shame because it's a neat concept.

[ThePhoenixKing]

Honestly, "pacing issues" seems like a bit of a excuse, considering how they're a staple of most of the game. While I can see why they didn't go with the original concept, it would have been appropriately gripping and disturbing, and really hammered home the threat posed by the Breach. Let's face it, the entire Breach crisis doesn't feel all that engaging, and aside from the first mission and maybe the Bad Future, it never feels like a genuine threat (which is a bad thing, considering it's basically the Eye of Terror in a high-fantasy setting). The whole game feels rather muted in that respect; at the places were they could have had some genuine drama and tension, they too often pulled their punches, while the subplots in which they go all out feel contrived and arbitrary (the Adamant arc is probably the biggest offender).

 

That being said, I did like how Leliana's characterization developed over the course of the game; she's changed since Origins, but it all feels rooted in something, and not merely character derailment for the sake of drama (again, the Wardens). Going into this game, I was actually really worried how that would all turn out; happy to report my concerns were largely unfounded on that front.

[Fiery Phoenix]

That being said, I did like how Leliana's characterization developed over the course of the game; she's changed since Origins, but it all feels rooted in something, and not merely character derailment for the sake of drama (again, the Wardens). Going into this game, I was actually really worried how that would all turn out; happy to report my concerns were largely unfounded on that front.

I am of the opinion that Leliana is the most developed, well-rounded character in the series. This is all too clear to anyone who's played Origins all the way through Inquisition. In a way, she reminds me of Liara,  who was also an exceptionally well developed character in her respective series.

 

It's probably not realistic to expect this for every major character, though, which I'm fine with. I just hope we see more of it down the road.

[Basement Cat]

I am of the opinion that Leliana is the most developed, well-rounded character in the series. This is all too clear to anyone who's played Origins all the way through Inquisition. In a way, she reminds me of Liara,  who was also an exceptionally well developed character in her respective series.

 

It's probably not realistic to expect this for every major character, though, which I'm fine with. I just hope we see more of it down the road.

I'm sure plenty of people would disagree with that assessment, but I'm not one of them.

 

Leliana is a psychological wreck, but she's certainly believable. It's so sad the way she isolates herself all the way up in her tower. Interesting that Cullen does the same thing. They're both workaholics.

 

Actually all our advisors are workaholics. They all need a vacation.

[TheKomandorShepard]

I am of the opinion that Leliana is the most developed, well-rounded character in the series. This is all too clear to anyone who's played Origins all the way through Inquisition. In a way, she reminds me of Liara,  who was also an exceptionally well developed character in her respective series.

 

It's probably not realistic to expect this for every major character, though, which I'm fine with. I just hope we see more of it down the road.

Hardly lol pretty much her character resolved around same it did in dao just to even greater extremes with characters resolvring around "Who am I?" as she did in dao.To be honest even i expected character resolve around something new and this is why i said romance with her wouldn't be the same but in fact i was wrong.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Hardly lol pretty much her character resolved around same it did in dao just to even greater extremes with characters resolvring around "Who am I?" as she did in dao.To be honest even i expected character resolve around something new and this is why i said romance with her wouldn't be the same but in fact i was wrong.

I think who she is in DA:I feels like a natural evolution of who she was in DA:O. If you're implying she is the same person she was 10 years ago, I can't help but disagree with that assessment.

 

It's true that a part of her is still hung on the 'Who am I?' question, but that no longer strikes me as a prominent side of her, as she has clearly overcome a lot of that by now. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

I think who she is in DA:I feels like a natural evolution of she was in DA:O. If you're implying she is the same person she was 10 years ago, I can't help but disagree with that assessment.

 

It's true that a part of her is still hung on the 'Who am I?' question, but that no longer strikes me as a prominent side of her, as she has clearly overcome a lot of that by now. 

I wouldn't call that evolution just jumping back and forward "ok im bard ,no im not ,ok im bard well ok im not".

 

Not at all pretty much even her personal quest resolves around "who am i" and whole character around doubts as pretty much what you said to her through game affects her personal quest.

 

She didn't feel like she evloved as she have pretty much have same issues that she had in dao only difference she starts hardened with doubts not unhardened with doubts like in dao.

[Fiery Phoenix]

She didn't feel like she evloved as she have pretty much have same issues that she had in dao only difference she starts hardened with doubts not unhardened with doubts like in dao.

Well, the simple fact that she has become hardened is all you need to see that she's changed. Internally, she may very well still have doubts as to who she is, but the confidence she exhibits now overshadows any such vulnerabilities or doubts that she may have.

Character development is an ongoing process by definition. From a writing perspective, it can go on forever, never settling at any one point so long as the underlying narrative continues. What we're seeing with Leliana right now is similarly a work-in-progress, and depending on how you've approached her and whether you made her Divine in Inquisition, she will continue to grow into a still more well-rounded woman.

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

I think hardened or unhardened, Leliana is in a significantly different place than she was in DAO. The two lines for the two different paths really feel like the end of a long process, particularly the unhardened 'I must remember who I was, before I was left hand, before I was a bard.' line in unhardened, but that's just my bias. I feel it's much more a permanent change, and the 'Who am I?' question seems at least partially answered in both paths. Not to mention she's most likely not gonna have much of a role in the future now, so I'm pretty sure it was intended as the climax of her character arc.

Still can't help but be a bit bitter at Justinia for sweeping all my Warden's influence under the rug, as someone who always opted to leave her unhardened.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Well, the simple fact that she has become hardened is all you need to see that she's changed. Internally, she may very well still has doubts as to who she is, but the confidence she exhibits now overshadows any such vulnerabilities or doubts that she may have.

 

Character development is an ongoing process by definition. From a writing perspective, it can go on forever, never settling at any one point so long as the underlying narrative continues. What we're seeing with Leliana right now is similarly a work-in-progress, and depending on how you've approached her and whether you made her Divine in Inquisition, she will continue to grow into a still more well-rounded woman.

Not rly as i said pretty much same in dao she says how confident she is about her path (dao and dai) then we see that isn't in case (dao and dai) then we can pick one side of the coin (dao and dai) and pretty much both end with "and now i know who im" speech .

 

Growth implies she moved since dao and she resolved her problems and she rly didn't as she face same issues she had in dao.

 

 

I think hardened or unhardened, Leliana is in a significantly different place than she was in DAO. The two lines for the two different paths really feel like the end of a long process, particularly the unhardened 'I must remember who I was, before I was left hand, before I was a bard.' line in unhardened, but that's just my bias. I feel it's much more a permanent change, and the 'Who am I?' question seems at least partially answered in both paths. Not to mention she's most likely not gonna have much of a role in the future now, so I'm pretty sure it was intended as the climax of her character arc.

Still can't help but be a bit bitter at Justinia for sweeping all my Warden's influence under the rug, as someone who always opted to leave her unhardened.

Pretty much same was in dao where she supposedly found herself then Justinia changes on hardened mode and we deal with same in dai.
 

[Fiery Phoenix]

Growth implies she moved since dao and she resolved her problems and she rly didn't as she face same issues she had in dao

No. Growth implies she is in the process of moving. With the choices you make for her in Inquisition (hardening vs unhardening and Divine) as well as the events of the game as a whole, it isn't far-fetched to assume that she will go through a (yet another) circle of development that accumulates into making her whoever she becomes next as a result.

[TheKomandorShepard]

No. Growth implies she is in the process of moving. With the choices you make for her in Inquisition (hardening vs unhardening and Divine) as well as the events of the game as a whole, it isn't far-fetched to assume that she will go through a (yet another) circle of development that accumulates into making her whoever she becomes as a result.

Eee no growth is when individual moves on into another stage of life like for example character resolving their mommy issues and by that growing as character if character never resolves that they are in same place they were before.

 

As well in dao in dai we deal with same issue that supposedly is resolved and lelina finally found out who she is ,but then we are back in place we started.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Eee no growth is when individual moves on into another stage of life like for example character resolving their mommy issues and by that growing as character if character never resolves that they are in same place they were before.

 

As well in dao in dai we deal with same issue.

From thefreedictionary.com, one of the (many) definitions of 'growth' is given as:

 

n. the act or process or a manner of growing; development; gradual increase.

 

'Gradual' is the keyword here. What you're describing doesn't really apply because Leliana is still in the process of growing. Refer to my previous post above; character development is an ongoing process. Leliana doesn't 'stop' growing in Inquisition. That's simply one stage of her development arc.

[Ghost of Abraham Lincoln]

Eee no growth is when individual moves on into another stage of life like for example character resolving their mommy issues and by that growing as character if character never resolves that they are in same place they were before.

 

As well in dao in dai we deal with same issue that supposedly is resolved and lelina finally found out who she is ,but then we are back in place we started.

 

I'm getting very dizzy.

[TheKomandorShepard]

From thefreedictionary.com, one of the (many) definitions of 'growth' is given as:

 

n. the act or process or a manner of growing; development; gradual increase.

 

'Gradual' is the keyword here. What you're describing doesn't really apply because Leliana is still in the process of growing. Refer to my previous post above; character development is an ongoing process. Leliana doesn't 'stop' growing in Inquisition. That's simply one stage of her development arc.

As i said going back and forward isn't growth...

If i will swing between "Im thief , no im firefighter , nooo im theif , no im firefighter" it won't mean CD or growth (it will be staying in place) it will mean as i said going back and forward deciding who im thief or firefighter and then moving from that into another stage of my live is in fact growth.

[Fiery Phoenix]

As i said going back and forward isn't growth...

If i will swing between "Im thief , no im firefighter , nooo im theif , no im firefighter" it won't mean CD or growth (it will be staying in place) it will mean as i said going back and forward deciding who im thief or firefighter and then moving from that into another stage of my live is in fact growth.

Going back and forward can be more eloquently described as a constituent of personal conflict, which, ding ding, is often an integral part of character growth and development.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Going back and forward can be more eloquently described as a type of personal conflict, which, ding ding, is often an integral part of character growth and development.

It is going around same issue what means there is no growth because character don't progress and by that don't grow.
  

[Basement Cat]

DAI Leliana is not the same as Origins Leliana.

 

Her dilemma in Origins is finding who she really is and accepting her less than noble attributes.

In DAI her dilemma is deciding if she will sacrifice the good in her for her goals (hardened), or if she will hold onto her good side no matter what (softened).

 

 

The perspective is also important. In Origins the change affected only her. In DAI that change is the difference between life and death for people other than her.

Notice also that the people she killed as a bard and assassin were targets given to her by others. As a spymaster, she picks the targets. And when her agents die she feels responsible. Before if a comrade died, she had someone else to blame. Not anymore. She can't hide that people on both sides die directly because of her. It's a new perspective for her and she learns to deal with it in DAI. In both cases it's a conflict of conscience, but the reasons and consequences of it are very different.

 

I'd say it's pretty good growth all in all.

[TheKomandorShepard]

From what i know it is pretty much all about whether she embraces her "dark side" or refuse to follow it in both games.

 

Pretty much it ends on it is "it rly who im a bard and dorothea was wrong" if you harden her what pretty much was in case with the warden if did the same.

[SgtSteel91]

She may have been confident in herself in Origins but when Inquisition starts her whole life is thrown upside-down with the Conclave exploding and her friend, Justine, dying. So I'm not surprised she starts to question herself again.