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[Han Shot First]

Leliana only gets points for choosing Gaspard alone?

 

I'm trying to make her Divine on my second playthrough, and that quest is coming up.

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

I'm pretty sure making Gaspard Briala's puppet is what gives Leliana points.

[mrcrazyman]

Leliana only gets points for choosing Gaspard alone?

 

I'm trying to make her Divine on my second playthrough, and that quest is coming up.

 

 

Take a look at MostlyAutumn's posts starting on page 22 here:http://forum.bioware...t-12314/page-22

 

Or the summarized info here  http://dragonage.wik...Divine_election

 

Celene dead with Gaspard as Puppet seems like the way to go.

[Han Shot First]

Take a look at MostlyAutumn's posts starting on page 22 here:http://forum.bioware...t-12314/page-22

 

Or the summarized info here  http://dragonage.wik...Divine_election

 

Celene dead with Gaspard as Puppet seems like the way to go.

 

Thanks! Gaspard it is then.

 

Going by her post I think Vivienne might be in the lead for me right now, since I had the Mages conscripted. 

[jlb524]

Also, in other news, since we were talking about the Divine points system a while ago, it appears that reconciling Celene and Briala isn't a Leliana geared choice like I feared it was. 

 

 

She had 8 points in her favour before, and 8 points after. Support alone was enough to give Cassandra a significant lead.

 

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That's interesting.  I figured it would matter.

 

Did you drink from the Well?  That might affect the outcome.

 

That script is neat.  I'm early in my current pt, but I did conscript the mages this time and have:

 

Spoiler

Divine election

Cassandra points: 1

Leliana points: -9

Vivienne points: 11

Election state: 0

Cassandra is Divine: False

Leliana is Divine: False

Vivienne is Divine: True

 

 

We'll see how that goes...

 

Vivienne's approval level is also 77 right now...which is weird for me since she's always antagonistic towards my Inquisitors lol.

[God is Tigger]

has anyone ever not kissed her when she confesses her feels to your Warden?

it always felt like the best way to let her know not to fret because "I'm here for you" too. Plus, for my canon Warden at least, she'd been staring at her lips on occasion at camp long enough.

I always kiss her.  

 

Does anyone turn her down when she wants to spend the night with you?

 

 

male:Have you felt this way about another person?->Are we fishing for compliments? Yes, I would do anything for you. 

 

 

Heh, I'm used to this response when I play as a FemWarden, so when I played one time as a male, and this option came up, I was completely caught off guard when she said No!  LOL, I don't know what I did wrong.

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

That's interesting. I figured it would matter.

Did you drink from the Well? That might affect the outcome.

Nah, Morrigan drank.

The only things I did that I could imagine would affect it after that quest was telling Vivienne Cassandra is the best choice, stating Cass will be Divine, and telling Leliana to give it a rest. Don't think the last one effects Cass, though.

Approval always seems higher than I anticipate. I assumed Sera would be much lower than 80 right now.

Does anyone turn her down when she wants to spend the night with you?

Nah, despite her obliviousness to her proposition and being a bit shy, my Warden was quite ready at that point.

[mrcrazyman]

 

Does anyone turn her down when she wants to spend the night with you?

 

I've done it by accident. Not that I minded since I got more dialogue when I agreed   "I knew you'd come around. Good things come to those who wait, no?"

[introverted_assassin]

never have turned her down. by that time, i'm sure my various Wardens body's are ready. I don't ply her with gifts. I drag out the romance as long as I can to make the....climax more satisfying. heh.

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

I like to pace the romance a bit too. Usually I've done about 2-3 of the main treaty quests and a decent amount of side stuff before her personal quest and the ensuing smexy times.

Usually I do Orzammar after my Warden and her have entered the relationship, but haven't reached the physical part of it yet. Because if I've learned one thing from the Stolen Throne and The Calling, it's that a few weeks in the Deep Roads is a place for sexual tensions to go aflutter, lol.

[Aimi]

Yeah, the Chantry spy thing doesn't even make sense.  She was barely a part of the Chantry as most members in Lothering weren't accepting of her beliefs plus she was never a sister and not part of the hierarchy.  At that time, no one in the Chantry would have picked her as a spy.
 
Orlesian spy would have more weight at least.

Oh, I don't know.

---

The kitchen door swung open. I said to the squarish silhouette, "I thought you quit."

"I resigned my Exoteric [diplomatic service] post, for which I was cast forth in disgrace into the outer darkness. Disgrace, as you well know, is often useful to the Esoteric Service [intelligence service]."

---

But the other reasons why Lels almost certainly wasn't a spy - why spy on a random couple of Wardens? why leave your mission when the Warden becomes more dangerous, not less? - are in my view decisive. It just wouldn't make sense for her to have been spying on the Hero.

[PickledGear]

I pace it as well, I have it happen after all treaties are collected and they are headed to Denerim afterwards to do the landsmeet. I think the treaties take up the majority of the year that Origins takes place in and so having a large amount of months 8-10? To have the relationship blossom, night after night of slowly opening up to one another. Which then coalesces into stories and then more. Nothing abrupt though everything in their conversations over time are all subtle and add up.

There is no defacto moment that insta-loves on either end, they just end up on their own times (whether its waking up in the middle of a night and seeing the other awake and deep in their own thoughts. Or walking side by side while exploring and one of them just happens to turn their gaze on the other and the emotions wash over them like a tidal wave.)

Agh now I want to go back and play Origins some more, maybe write a few short stories on them...

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

I figure my Warden had some measure of feelings for Leliana from the start (even if she did turn down her request to join in the tavern at first only to relent later, because she was still in grouchy 'bah shems' mode) but she was extremely conflicted about those feelings, because

a - she's Dalish. While she's human and an Andrastian to boot. While more open minded than most she wasn't certain about that.

b - she was still mourning Tamlen, who she did have feelings for as well.

Feels a little hard to believe when rushed, so thus I like to stretch it out. Usually I have my Warden let go of her confliction and embrace those feelings after the Sacred Ashes quest, where Tamlen's reflection thingy during the Gauntlet tells her it's time to let go and move on, basically.

Dalish Origin is good for some hella angsty headcanon.

[Dean_the_Young]

Oh, I don't know.

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The kitchen door swung open. I said to the squarish silhouette, "I thought you quit."

"I resigned my Exoteric [diplomatic service] post, for which I was cast forth in disgrace into the outer darkness. Disgrace, as you well know, is often useful to the Esoteric Service [intelligence service]."

---

But the other reasons why Lels almost certainly wasn't a spy - why spy on a random couple of Wardens? why leave your mission when the Warden becomes more dangerous, not less? - are in my view decisive. It just wouldn't make sense for her to have been spying on the Hero.

 

I never doubted Leliana's sincerity in dealing with the Blight or her belief in visions, but I (or at least a character I was RP-ing) did have a paranoid freakout about the sincerity of her romance.

 

It was that first romance playthrough, and I was finding her totally endearing and charming. I obviously believed her claims, and happily offed her former mentor after Mj-whatever tried to hinder us. She was hardened, but that was all good and reasonable for a more pragmatic Noble Warden I was playing. She was still quite attractive, even more so with that bad girl edge, but she was also still moral by inclination. I allowed her approval/disapproval to shape the sort of choices I was making.

 

But when she was being frank about her past as a Bard, about how great a seductress she was... it was the story about how she could be successful even when people knew to suspect her, that she could seduce anyone, that just started snowballing in my head. When had she first started flirting? Why 'me'? What if I were another of those marks, picked because I was a rising power player who could be influenced in the direction she desired? How would I know if that were true? How would I know if that were not true? Could I prove to myself that I wasn't being manipulated, before and after her brazen admission that she had long practice in doing so to people who knew they were targets for manipulation?

 

It spun around and around and around in my head, and I couldn't get it out or resolve it. Ultimately I realized that trust was dead- whether she was sincere or not, 'I' (my Warden) would never fully trust her again. So he took the Anora political marriage opening, in which the quid-pro-quo and intentions were explicit and reliable, and didn't pursue an affair with Leliana on the side. They went back to being 'just friends,' which was healthier than that relationship would have been.

 

That was probably my first abandonment of a Bioware romance arc ever, but it was one heck of a ride when I was playing it.

[Barquiel]

Does anyone know if Leliana's dialogue/epilogue changes if she becomes the divine but the inquisitor didn't support her?

That script is interesting. I got this.
Divine election
Cassandra points: -1
Leliana points: 20
Vivienne points: -2
Election state: 1
Cassandra is Divine: False
Leliana is Divine: True
Vivienne is Divine: False


And it seems that my elfy dalish inquisitor gets along with everyone except for Sera (what a surprise, but I still like her )
Approval
Blackwall: 125
Cassandra: 125
Cole: 125
Iron Bull: 113
Sera: 6
Solas: 117
Varric: 125
Vivienne: 122

[Serza]

Wait, where do you all get the exact values from?

[LadyStoneheart]

I'd only accept a flirt option if, in a romanced Warden import especially, the Inquisitor gets friendzoned so spectacularly their self esteem would be aching for weeks.

 

That would have been GREAT. 

 

Also, in other news, since we were talking about the Divine points system a while ago, it appears that reconciling Celene and Briala isn't a Leliana geared choice like I feared it was. 

 

She had 8 points in her favour before, and 8 points after. Support alone was enough to give Cassandra a significant lead.

 

...and for some reason, after What Pride Had Wrought, Cassandra shot up to a whopping 25 points. 

 

I'm...not sure how that happened. 

 

What Pride Had Wrought is the quest that made Vivienne surpass Cassandra in my first playthrough, I'm sure of it. But I still don't know why 

Anyway, I'm trying to make Leliana Divine now because I imported a dead Warden world state and right now the situation is this:

 

Spoiler

Approval

Blackwall: 84

Cassandra: 97

Cole: 102

Iron Bull: 24 (LMAO)

Sera: 92

Solas: 73

Varric: 53

Vivienne: 42

 

Divine election

Cassandra points: -5

Leliana points: 11

Vivienne points: -1

Election state: 0

Cassandra is Divine: False

Leliana is Divine: True

Vivienne is Divine: False

 

There's still much to do but I think I'll keep Celene on the throne anyway. Sorry Leli, I really can't stand Gaspard.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Does anyone know if Leliana's dialogue/epilogue changes if she becomes the divine but the inquisitor didn't support her?

Not sure about the dialogue, but the epilogue doesn't change AFAIK.

[Barquiel]

Ok, thx

Wait, where do you all get the exact values from?

the script, here...

http://forum.bioware...t-12314/page-23

[Todrazok]

Ok, thx


the script, here...

http://forum.bioware...t-12314/page-23

 

Oo Cheers! I'm gonna be playing around with this when I get back home tomorrow

[Nightingale]

On the subject of DAO, I've been replaying it too and just noticed how nicely the stargazing story about Alindra and her solider parallels Leliana's unhardened romance ending with an ultimate sacrifice Warden. Has anyone else noticed this or am I just so far gone that everything reminds me of my otp?

[Serza]

On the subject of DAO, I've been replaying it too and just noticed how nicely the stargazing story about Alindra and her solider parallels Leliana's unhardened romance ending with an ultimate sacrifice Warden. Has anyone else noticed this or am I just so far gone that everything reminds me of my otp?

 

Refresh my memory, how did the story about Alindra's soldier go?

I seem to remember that he died in the end, and Alindra kept waiting for eternity, or similar outcome?

[Nightingale]

Refresh my memory, how did the story about Alindra's soldier go?

I seem to remember that he died in the end, and Alindra kept waiting for eternity, or similar outcome?

 

Apologies for not including a video (my internet's a bit iffy so I can't find one at the moment) but per the in-game conversation log/journal entry:

 

L: "A long time ago, there lived a fair maiden called Alindra. She had many suitors, but spurned them all, for she did not love them. One day, Alindra was sitting by her window in her father's castle, singing and dreaming, when her lovely voice caught the attention of a young soldier. Entranced by her song, the soldier drew near to Alindra's window. As their eyes met, he fell in love with her, and she with him. When Alindra told her father about the man she had chosen, he was furious, for Alindra was high-born, but her love nothing more than a common soldier. To keep them apart, he had Alindra imprisoned in the highest tower of his castle and sent her soldier to the wars. Alas, not a month had passed before news of the soldier's death reached Alindra. Alone in her tower, Alindra wept for her love and beseeched the gods to deliver her from this cruel world. So earnest was her plea that the gods themselves were moved. They gathered Alindra into their arms and lifted her high into the heavens, where she became a star. The gods also raised up the soul of Alindra's soldier love and there he dwells, across the horizon from her. The band of stars between them is a river of Alindra's tears, cried for her lost love. They say when Alindra has cried enough, she will be able to cross the river to be reunited with her soldier."

W: "I'll never look at the stars the same way again."

L: "This story is one of my favorites, a tale of a love so great and so enduring that it defies death, and moves the gods to action. Sometimes I ask myself, does such a love exist? Can it exist?"

 

The rest is romance dialogue between the two. I just found it interesting, since her unhardened romance epilogue is how she quietly vanishes after performing the ballad just the once, then having another vision from the Maker and saying she would see her love again. Admittedly, I may be reaching. It is a bit...Romeo and Juliet cliche

[Serza]

Apologies for not including a video (my internet's a bit iffy so I can't find one at the moment) but per the in-game conversation log/journal entry:

 

L: "A long time ago, there lived a fair maiden called Alindra. She had many suitors, but spurned them all, for she did not love them. One day, Alindra was sitting by her window in her father's castle, singing and dreaming, when her lovely voice caught the attention of a young soldier. Entranced by her song, the soldier drew near to Alindra's window. As their eyes met, he fell in love with her, and she with him. When Alindra told her father about the man she had chosen, he was furious, for Alindra was high-born, but her love nothing more than a common soldier. To keep them apart, he had Alindra imprisoned in the highest tower of his castle and sent her soldier to the wars. Alas, not a month had passed before news of the soldier's death reached Alindra. Alone in her tower, Alindra wept for her love and beseeched the gods to deliver her from this cruel world. So earnest was her plea that the gods themselves were moved. They gathered Alindra into their arms and lifted her high into the heavens, where she became a star. The gods also raised up the soul of Alindra's soldier love and there he dwells, across the horizon from her. The band of stars between them is a river of Alindra's tears, cried for her lost love. They say when Alindra has cried enough, she will be able to cross the river to be reunited with her soldier."

W: "I'll never look at the stars the same way again."

L: "This story is one of my favorites, a tale of a love so great and so enduring that it defies death, and moves the gods to action. Sometimes I ask myself, does such a love exist? Can it exist?"

 

The rest is romance dialogue between the two. I just found it interesting, since her unhardened romance epilogue is how she quietly vanishes after performing the ballad just the once, then having another vision from the Maker and saying she would see her love again. Admittedly, I may be reaching. It is a bit...Romeo and Juliet cliche

 

Actually... Yes. That does sound rather... similar.

 

As if the story was... written to correspond with a US Lelimance Warden.