Actually... Yes. That does sound rather... similar.
As if the story was... written to correspond with a US Lelimance Warden.
Maybe it's better she won't tell the Inquisitor any stories, then. As Varric said, heroic tales rarely end well.
And now I may or may not be headcanoning this as why she no longer tells stories...aside from being so very busy, of course.
Maybe it's better she won't tell the Inquisitor any stories, then. As Varric said, heroic tales rarely end well.
And now I may or may not be headcanoning this as why she no longer tells stories...aside from being so very busy, of course.
I agree. Now that I think about it, even Kallian, my canon Warden (City Elf, btw - not very creative with names on that playthrough...) didn't end very happy.
For starters, she was good friends with Morrigan and Leliana, and in love with Alistair. Also sort of a friend with Oghren and Zevran (I actually think Zevran may have tried to ninjamance her right before the final battle).
So, what happens? Alistair becomes the King, ends the relationship, despite both of them still being deeply in love.
Morrigan runs off after the final battle, only for Kallian to see her once more.
Leliana hasn't been anywhere within reach for years...
Zevran ran off into Antiva to keep doing his stuff.
Oghren and Kallian drifted apart after the Blight, despite Oghren becoming a Warden like her.
Most of her friends in the Wardens she herself recruited get their own duties, also driving them apart...
Oh, also, she rarely sees her father, Shianni or Soris...
In the end, the only friend she has left is her trusty Mabari, Barkspawn.
And so all she has left is her duty as a Grey Warden.
If she can reverse The Calling, however... a new hope may rise.
I agree. Now that I think about it, even Kallian, my canon Warden (City Elf, btw - not very creative with names on that playthrough...) didn't end very happy.
For starters, she was good friends with Morrigan and Leliana, and in love with Alistair. Also sort of a friend with Oghren and Zevran (I actually think Zevran may have tried to ninjamance her right before the final battle).
So, what happens? Alistair becomes the King, ends the relationship, despite both of them still being deeply in love.
Morrigan runs off after the final battle, only for Kallian to see her once more.
Leliana hasn't been anywhere within reach for years...
Zevran ran off into Antiva to keep doing his stuff.
Oghren and Kallian drifted apart after the Blight, despite Oghren becoming a Warden like her.
Most of her friends in the Wardens she herself recruited get their own duties, also driving them apart...
Oh, also, she rarely sees her father, Shianni or Soris...
In the end, the only friend she has left is her trusty Mabari, Barkspawn.
And so all she has left is her duty as a Grey Warden.
If she can reverse The Calling, however... a new hope may rise.
Ah, how cheerful. Not to make things worse, but I've been wondering for a while, how long do mabari typically live? It has been ten years since the Blight, after all, I'd imagine Barkspawn would be quite an old man by now. That said, I'm holding out hope for a Calling DLC (preferably with the old team getting at least some sort of reunion if this is to be the end for them) and if we get the Warden, surely we'd get Barkspawn too, right? 
how long do mabari typically live? It has been ten years since the Blight, after all, I'd imagine Barkspawn would be quite an old man by now. That said, I'm holding out hope for a Calling DLC (preferably with the old team getting at least some sort of reunion if this is to be the end for them) and if we get the Warden, surely we'd get Barkspawn too, right?
Well there was this http://dgaider.tumbl...me-kind-of-lore
Hello, mr. Gaider. I have some kind of lore question. Can you tell how long mabari live?
As long as the plot requires.
Also there is banter between Loghain and Dog that when he was a kid he had his mabari for 10 years before it was stolen and abused by the Orlesians. But you have to cure a non-Cousland mabari in Ostagar because they swallowed darkspawn blood so who knows how that affects lifespan.
On the subject of DAO, I've been replaying it too and just noticed how nicely the stargazing story about Alindra and her solider parallels Leliana's unhardened romance ending with an ultimate sacrifice Warden. Has anyone else noticed this or am I just so far gone that everything reminds me of my otp?
I thought about that, too. As someone who rolled my eyes at that story during Origins, my admittedly somewhat uncharitable thought afterwards was, "Bet you don't think heartbreart and grief are 'ZOMG so romantic!!!!!' anymore now, do you?"
The rest is romance dialogue between the two. I just found it interesting, since her unhardened romance epilogue is how she quietly vanishes after performing the ballad just the once, then having another vision from the Maker and saying she would see her love again.
That epilogue scared me because I honestly read it as her potentially committing suicide ... and neither my/her Warden nor I would ever want that.
Makes me wonder, though. I do kind of believe that Leliana got a "sign from above" with the dead but blooming rose in Lothering -- and I'm glad that "miracle" is still on her mind, as some of Cole's cryptic lines show. However, this "vision" mentioned in the epilogue clashes with her own words about the Maker's presence growing cold in her the moment the Warden died, and is also never mentioned again. Was it a retcon? Did she have a dream but write it off as grief-born wishful thinking? Is she simply not remotely close to anyone the Inquisitor to mention the "vision", whether she believed it was false or true?
Hey Leli approved so it's fine...mostly
always named the mabari something goofy as ever like Waggles or something.
If you let Leliana and Dog rescue you from Fort Drakon, their dialogue is priceless.
Leliana: *ignoring guard* Who's a good puppy? You are!
Dog: *wagging his tail* Bark!
Guard: Miss? Miss? Arrgh, sod it. I'll get the captain.
I thought about that, too. As someone who rolled my eyes at that story during Origins, my admittedly somewhat uncharitable thought afterwards was, "Bet you don't think heartbreart and grief are 'ZOMG so romantic!!!!!' anymore now, do you?"
That epilogue scared me because I honestly read it as her potentially committing suicide ... and neither my/her Warden nor I would ever want that.
Makes me wonder, though. I do kind of believe that Leliana got a "sign from above" with the dead but blooming rose in Lothering -- and I'm glad that "miracle" is still on her mind, as some of Cole's cryptic lines show. However, this "vision" mentioned in the epilogue clashes with her own words about the Maker's presence growing cold in her the moment the Warden died, and is also never mentioned again. Was it a retcon? Did she have a dream but write it off as grief-born wishful thinking? Is she simply not remotely close to anyone the Inquisitor to mention the "vision", whether she believed it was false or true?
I think you're over-thinking this. 
I think she did have her dream during the US romance epilogue in Origins, even if she felt the Maker was leaving her, only to come back to her for one final vision.
Also, I'm sure I'm not the only one thinking this, but does anyone else feel that a dead romance Warden import suits Inquisition!Leliana's story better than a live one, even if I think killing off the Warden would only help to push her toward the deep end even more. :S
She also seems to have the most romance dialogue about a dead Warden in Inquisition.
Actually, a living Warden romancing her gets more dialogue than a dead one. The gushy conversation where she gives you the operation to find the Warden obviously doesn't happen with a dead Warden, nor does the mention of them at Valence.
Whether a dead Warden fits more...that's a matter of debate. The letter from my Warden begging my Inquisitor to keep Leliana in the light was one of my feelsiest moments in the game, and added a whole new layer to that whole choice of softening her. I also just liked the feeling I got with my Warden and her, that she was basically the one last light in Leliana's life, but she's far, far away for who knows how long. The little glimmer of hope she gets after the letter was pretty 'd'aawww' worthy.
It was pretty endearing in general, how the Warden seemed to be the one thing that could lift her spirits.
A dead Warden fits better if you plan on a hardened Leliana, I suppose.
It'd also make her having no reservations about becoming Divine whatsoever a little less jarring.
i'll send Ruffles and Leli this time. That's the mabari's name in this current playthrough. Don't judge me.
Ah, how cheerful. Not to make things worse, but I've been wondering for a while, how long do mabari typically live? It has been ten years since the Blight, after all, I'd imagine Barkspawn would be quite an old man by now. That said, I'm holding out hope for a Calling DLC (preferably with the old team getting at least some sort of reunion if this is to be the end for them) and if we get the Warden, surely we'd get Barkspawn too, right?
I also thought about that, but then I thought "Naw, it's bad enough as it is."
Barkspawn the Dog may die, but he sired many puppies and Leliana and the Warden shall raise them and the Schmooples 'dynasty' as if they're children.
Fact.
Not in my canon worldstate... 
Barkspawn the Dog may die, but he sired many puppies and Leliana and the Warden shall raise them and the Schmooples 'dynasty' as if they're children.
Fact.
It's already started. Schmooples II works as an assistant in interrogations.
Well there was this http://dgaider.tumbl...me-kind-of-lore
Also there is banter between Loghain and Dog that when he was a kid he had his mabari for 10 years before it was stolen and abused by the Orlesians. But you have to cure a non-Cousland mabari in Ostagar because they swallowed darkspawn blood so who knows how that affects lifespan.
Ah, thanks! And yeah, I wonder if that has anything to do with it, too. The Last Flight states mabari can go through the Joining. Between the flower and all of that, I'd think it's pretty much the same thing, so maybe it'd affect it. Maybe Barkspawn's facing the Calling too, even.
I thought about that, too. As someone who rolled my eyes at that story during Origins, my admittedly somewhat uncharitable thought afterwards was, "Bet you don't think heartbreart and grief are 'ZOMG so romantic!!!!!' anymore now, do you?"
That epilogue scared me because I honestly read it as her potentially committing suicide ... and neither my/her Warden nor I would ever want that.
Makes me wonder, though. I do kind of believe that Leliana got a "sign from above" with the dead but blooming rose in Lothering -- and I'm glad that "miracle" is still on her mind, as some of Cole's cryptic lines show. However, this "vision" mentioned in the epilogue clashes with her own words about the Maker's presence growing cold in her the moment the Warden died, and is also never mentioned again. Was it a retcon? Did she have a dream but write it off as grief-born wishful thinking? Is she simply not remotely close to anyone the Inquisitor to mention the "vision", whether she believed it was false or true?
Yeah, I don't imagine she thinks the idea is so romantic now. And yes, the suicidal implication shocked me the first time. I'd like to think if it's not a retcon, it means Justinia saved her in more ways than one. Perhaps she intended to go to the Deep Roads as a sort of tribute to the Warden and Justinia found her first or something. As for not mentioning it, it really depends how things went down with it (which of course we don't see due to the sort of time-jump). And then of course there's the fact that a US Warden's soul wouldn't return to the Fade or the Maker's side or what have you because it was destroyed along with Urthemiel's...
It's already started. Schmooples II works as an assistant in interrogations.
Not in my canon worldstate...
Like mother like...nug, I guess.
Surely your Warden can still be the cool aunt though, right. :S
If she and Leliana ever see each other again, perhaps...
How does Leliana talk about a non-romanced Warden anyway? The only save I ever import is my canon one, where she's romanced, (though I made a variation for a dead Warden once) so I haven't seen it yet.
I can't remember anymore. I don't even know who gave me the "Contact the Hero of Ferelden" War Table mission.
How does Leliana talk about a non-romanced Warden anyway? The only save I ever import is my canon one, where she's romanced, (though I made a variation for a dead Warden once) so I haven't seen it yet.
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Contact Operation
I've never imported a non-romance myself so I can't say for anything else, but when you ask about knowing the HoF for the first time and they were friends, Leliana says they're one of her closest friends, perhaps the only person she trusts completely and that she doesn't want to think about what could've happened to them if they've disappeared. From what I understand she's considerably less...friendly, if you left her to die in the temple of Sacred Ashes 
Edit: Ninja'd by a much better answer, it seems. But thank you, mrcrazyman. Looks like it's different for male/female, too, as what I saw and described was for F!Warden. I had just assumed it'd be the same.
Yeah it's different with a no-romance male Warden and female Warden. Male Warden gets the one in the above video, female Warden gets the one about her being one of her closest friends and being the only person she trusts completely.
I'm still not sure what the dialogue for a non-romanced, ultimate sacrifice Warden is.
Looks like it's different for male/female, too, as what I saw and described was for F!Warden. I had just assumed it'd be the same.
Neat. Found a female friends one. Interesting it's different as I'll never see these as for me every import is a Leliana romance import
Good to know. Probably not gonna be hearing them much in my own games, so... :S
It's better than Warden Alistair anyway, who from what I've heard assumes every Warden who didn't romance him was a dink who was 'on a dark path.' Good thing he's king in my games...
Thanks for the video, again, mrcrazyman! I won't be seeing it either, so it's interesting to see the other side of things.
As for Warden Alistair...yeah, I've got two world states with him, one US and one where I had him to do the Dark Ritual. He's pretty angry either way; either the Warden overshadowed him and he's sick of constantly hearing about her and people asking what it was like traveling with them (and I imagine he feels a bit useless when he missed the opportunity to be king and let a good friend die for him), or he, as you say, claims they've joined the dark side, as it were
Since we're discussing it, what does Morrigan have to say about the different Wardens? The only one I remember was US, in which she said the thing she regrets most is how they parted. Looks like the best thing that could happen to Zev is not getting caught up in all of this for a change 
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