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[LadyStoneheart]

A part of me wonders if Leliana would use the situation to her advantage. Maybe even spread the rumours  herself, so that it would create a situation where the Queen would step-down due to political pressure. And because the HOF is no longer queen, Lelianna would have the HOF back to being 100% hers.  I imagine there would be resentment on the hero's end for it..

 

I don't think she would. Even if she wanted to sabotage the Warden/Queen (which is a pretty mean thing to do to the love of her life) these rumors would inevitably damage her as well. In DAI she says some people still considered Justinia unworthy to be Divine just because she "had a past" (and I doubt anybody except Leliana knows about the Marjolaine incident) so for Leliana it could be even harder to be accepted. The whole "let's turn the Chantry upside down" business doesn't help either.

 

Well to be fair the HOF kind of did the same to her by taking the throne in the first place.

 

Exactly. Leliana becoming Divine would finally balance things out

[Fiery Phoenix]

Speaking of romanced Wardens...

 

Spoiler

 

Source

 

What do you even put in the Tapestry to get this world state? "Romanced Leliana" + "Alistair and the Warden rule"? Other than having a Cousland Warden, I suppose.

In any case, I am intrigued.

Marrying Alistair was nothing but an uneasy alliance deemed necessary to keep Ferelden on its feet, since you can't rule Ferelden with him unless you choose to marry him.

 

It does raise a red flag if you're also romancing someone else. I like that Inquisition acknowledges the discrepancy. It's actually rather cute.

[Korva]

Yeah, I don't imagine she thinks the idea is so romantic now. And yes, the suicidal implication shocked me the first time. I'd like to think if it's not a retcon, it means Justinia saved her in more ways than one. 

 

Possibly, yes. I dislike the idea of Leliana being this fragile, but it would only add to her loyalty to Justinia ... and give Justinia even more reason to feel guilty for using and failing her.

And then of course there's the fact that a US Warden's soul wouldn't return to the Fade or the Maker's side or what have you because it was destroyed along with Urthemiel's...

 

I don't think Leliana knows that, thankfully, and even for the Wardens it's just speculation. Nobody knows what happens to anyone's soul when they die, in this setting. A devout believer would probably try to find comfort in "what you have created, none can tear asunder" or similar verses of the Chant and refuse to even entertain the notion that the Warden doomed herself to oblivion.

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

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Male COusland  who romanced Lelianna, married Anora, and fathered kieran.. I do not see that relationship surving at all.

Personally, I can't see any relationship with a Divine Leliana surviving, tbh.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Personally, I can't see any relationship with a Divine Leliana surviving, tbh.

I don't think it's impossible, just harder to maintain due to the extra layer of complexity involved.

[Todrazok]

Personally, I can't see any relationship with a Divine Leliana surviving, tbh.

 

Oh I don't know about that, Given that Leliana always had the more unconventional beliefs about the Chantry, this seems like one area where she'll be adamant about changing the system to allow for the relationship. Not to mention that the former spymaster would surely have her ways to keep it quiet

 

Speaking of Divine Leliana... I just got around to testing the tool that shows you the values you have in the game. This is what I got when I used it on an old save in my first playthrough, where Leliana was supported prior to finishing the game.

 

Spoiler

Divine election
Cassandra points: -1
Leliana points: 20
Vivienne points: -2

 

Going by this... looks like Cassandra had no chance at all, even with a hypothetical war table operation that I didn't get. Not surprising at all, given how pro-freedom I was in that run 

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

Eh, if she became Divine in my canon run, I could seeing it crashing and burning down the line sadly. She's making all these huge changes regarding elves, etc...and then she has a Dalish heathen girlfriend, which would give the impression of her reforms having a...very different motivation. Tongues would wag.

I'm not even sure my Warden would want to give her more trouble than she already has. She might just force herself to end it before it brought more pain for them both. Sooner that than a Celene/Briala situation.

Luckily, I never make her Divine. Happy ending ftw.

Hmm...now I'm tempted to write a tragic thing...

[Todrazok]

Eh, if she became Divine in my canon run, I could seeing it crashing and burning down the line sadly. She's making all these huge changes regarding elves, etc...and then she has a Dalish heathen girlfriend, which would give the impression of her reforms having a...very different motivation. Tongues would wag.

I'm not even sure my Warden would want to give her more trouble than she already has. She might just force herself to end it before it brought more pain for them both. Sooner that than a Celene/Briala situation.

Luckily, I don't make her Divine. Happy ending ftw.

Hmm...now I'm tempted to write a tragic thing...

I'll make some adjustments if I end up wanting my Qunari to be the Canon Inquisitor , so far I've grown rather fond of said Qunari and my second playthrough, a female human mage that sided with templars. Only thing that I don't really like about my templar playthrough is that it's yet another human protagonist .

 

Speaking of said playthrough, I ended up getting Vivianne as Divine there, which was rather surprising since I was aiming for Cassandra, little did I know the race was really close. This is what the tool is telling me the values were at before supporting anyone in that run  

 

Spoiler

Divine election
Cassandra points: 15
Leliana points: 7
Vivienne points: 16

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

Luckily, when the Keep for Inquisition launches, we'll all be able to cheat and set our preferred Divines at the push of a button. :S

[Todrazok]

Luckily, when the Keep for Inquisition launches, we'll all be able to cheat and set our preferred Divines at the push of a button. :S

 

I do wonder how they'll handle it though, surely we won't be able to set all the choices the way we like it without it affecting the Divine election somehow  .

 

Then again... maybe not, it would certainly make it alot easier on their end 

[introverted_assassin]

I recreated a world state in the Keep specifically to hear that "Mistress to the Queen of Fereldan" with Vera Cousland. The only 2H warrior I have ever played in any Dragon Age game. She use to pick on Alistair a lot and had no confidence that he could run the country alone so she stepped up. i picked the option that tells him "look here, this is political so don't get no ideas. Leli is still bae" basically.

[Barquiel]

Eh, if she became Divine in my canon run, I could seeing it crashing and burning down the line sadly. She's making all these huge changes regarding elves, etc...and then she has a Dalish heathen girlfriend, which would give the impression of her reforms having a...very different motivation. Tongues would wag.

Celene's reforms aim in the same direction, that's why I am not overly concerned. Orlais, the inquisition and the Chantry working together should increase public opinion of elves in general...which is something that my city elf warden approves of (headcanon-wise, she didn't really care about mages/templars)

[Korva]

My issue with Leliana just openly overthrowing the celibacy rule is that it's selfish. She's already making so many sweeping changes -- and I'm with the people who think that she's a tad too over-the-top successful -- that she's going to face a lot of pushback. But those changes are for the "greater good", for the sake of other people. This? It's purely "I want to have my cake and eat it too". And I don't give a toss how much she deserves a little personal happiness (she does) ... if you use your power for personal gain like that, it's never going to look anything but wrong. Her opponents will -- or at least should -- exploit that accordingly, especially if her paramour is anything but a human non-mage.

[Nightingale]

Possibly, yes. I dislike the idea of Leliana being this fragile, but it would only add to her loyalty to Justinia ... and give Justinia even more reason to feel guilty for using and failing her.

 

I agree, though it is consistent for her character; she's always been easily influenced by powerful women. As for Justinia...I'm constantly torn between resenting her for using Leliana the way she did (yes, she asked and gave her a choice and that should make a difference, but she knew, after everything, that Leliana could or would not say no and that she'd feel obligated to say yes) and trying to respect her for at least trying, even if she unintentionally hurt Leliana in the process.

 

Eh, if she became Divine in my canon run, I could seeing it crashing and burning down the line sadly. She's making all these huge changes regarding elves, etc...and then she has a Dalish heathen girlfriend, which would give the impression of her reforms having a...very different motivation. Tongues would wag.

I'm not even sure my Warden would want to give her more trouble than she already has. She might just force herself to end it before it brought more pain for them both. Sooner that than a Celene/Briala situation.

Luckily, I never make her Divine. Happy ending ftw.

Hmm...now I'm tempted to write a tragic thing...

 

I think it could work out. Not easily, of course, and not always, but anything's possible. Knowing her, she'd find a way to spin it as a "see? I love elves you should too" sort of thing. That said, my canon Warden was Surana. I was sort of scrambling towards end game, trying to get enough support for Cass when I realised that they really were going to have me decide who to make Divine and all of my choices heavily favoured Leliana. I still have no idea how I managed to pull it off (and softened Leliana is still a much, much better ending for my world state), but I like the idea of Leliana finally being free of it all. She's given enough.

[introverted_assassin]

Justinia only redeemed herself in the note for me on Leli's personal quest. otherwise i'd be side eyeing her from here to the Fade too because like you point out here, she knows Leli wouldn't turn her back on a friend. truthfully, I think the Warden is the only influential figure who doesn't knowingly do this. But my canon Warden noticed this pattern and wanted to talk to Leli about it...that was shortly after she got the letter from Justinia. This is the part of the reason for the plea to the Inquisitor to help keep Leli in the light. Yes, that's a head canon.

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

but I like the idea of Leliana finally being free of it all. She's given enough.

That's exactly why I never want to make her Divine. That's precisely what Leliana needs, to just be able to drop it all, lay down her burdens, like Justinia wanted.

In the long run, I feel making her Divine is really going to take a toll on her already straining mental health. She needs healing time, not a bazillion new burdens weighing her down. Warden can help with that.

[N7_Heartfire]

If not in future Inquisition DLC then we'll most likely see whether Divine Leliana's relationship with the Warden survives or not (even though the devs have confirmed they don't break up) via codex entry about Divine Victoria in DA4.

 

That said, I'm all in for the Cure the Calling DLC where the Quizzy meets the Warden or we even play as them. It seems too important to leave it as headcanon.

[Nightingale]

I think you're right, any loose ends will probably be wrapped up in codex entries if we're moving north, or offhand remarks about "that backwater pretender on the Sunburst Throne." With the exception of Solas, obviously. If there is a Calling DLC, I think I'd rather play as the Warden as a sort of parallel-story kind of thing (maybe a bit like the Darkspawn Chronicles but not au?) rather than doing it like they did with Hawke. And since it's unlikely they'd bring everyone back together, this way we'd know where the old team was and why they can't join the Warden. Doubtful, it is called Inquisition after all, but one can dream

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

I'm just hoping they don't forget about Leliana's plans to leave the Inquisition when she isn't needed anymore in a romanced state, where she doesn't become Divine. I'd be a bit miffed if we hear about her still hanging around in a future game. 

 

There's already the inconsistency with her dialogue in Vivienne's Divine ending, that they overlooked. 

[Fiery Phoenix]

There's already the inconsistency with her dialogue in Vivienne's Divine ending, that they overlooked. 

I'm curious to hear more about that one. What dialogue is that?

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

I'm curious to hear more about that one. What dialogue is that?

 

Basically, she says "My place is, and always will be, here." 

 

Which...is kind of jarring after "When the Inquisition has no further need of me, I will join her. For good this time." 

 

It's only in Vivienne's ending, though, so I'm guessing it's just something they overlooked. Given the lengths she goes to stay with the Warden in her Divine ending, I highly doubt there was a change of heart out of nowhere or something, which wouldn't make sense at all.

 

The romance references felt a bit disconnected at times so it isn't surprising something slipped up. I just hope these things don't slip their mind again for the next game. >.>

[mrcrazyman]

I'm curious to hear more about that one. What dialogue is that?

It was posted a while back here http://forum.bioware...ble/?p=18008707

Another reason to accept Divine Cassandra

[introverted_assassin]

i've been here for Divine Cassie since my first playthrough and all for selfish reasons. nothing political or practical just bae needs a break from everyone and everything for a good while. And I cut for Viv but can't have her in there.

[ashlover mark 2]

Gotta say... When it came to romances in DAI, I was far more invested in Leliana and the HOF then the Inquisitor and Cassandra. I hope there is a DLC that has the Inquisitor helping the HOF find that cure. Unlikely, I know. 

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

I feel you there, I'm still way more attached to my Warden and Leliana than any of the other characters in the series so far. I'm stuck like that, it seems - always looking forward to the references more than the new stuff. Probably not entirely healthy, but who cares? OTP for life, right. :S

 

I'm extremely torn between the fact that I really need closure on that particular plot point as it's far too big a thing to leave to headcanon, and the fact that I would never trust my Warden to become an NPC. Looking at all the ways Hawke went wrong, she could end up being a trainwreck of OOC for me. 

 

I'd prefer if the Warden was playable for the duration of their appearance in any hypothetical future story, but the very suggestion of that seems to get resounding grumbles in most places.