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[Reman]

I'm extremely torn between the fact that I really need closure on that particular plot point as it's far too big a thing to leave to headcanon, and the fact that I would never trust my Warden to become an NPC. Looking at all the ways Hawke went wrong, she could end up being a trainwreck of OOC for me. 

 

I'd prefer if the Warden was playable for the duration of their appearance in any hypothetical future story, but the very suggestion of that seems to get resounding grumbles in most places. 

I certainly hope they don't turn the HoF into another Hawke disaster in DA:I dlc or henceforth. Hawke had character in DA2, then they threw that away in inquisition. 

 

The Hawke that players created and melded during the course of DA2 was oversimplified into the one Hawke persona we saw in Here lies the Abyss. 

 

As far as actual HoF dlc is concerned, I would like a mix between inquisitor and HoF for the PC. I can't imagine either becoming NPC's, it would just ruin people's tastes for their characters. 

[ashlover mark 2]

I agree, I would love to play as the Warden in the DLC --  if there is one. But I doubt Bioware will give us that. If anything he'll be an NPC. Though, I think it's more likely we'll see the HOF in DA4. There's alot of stuff going down with the Grey Wardens.

[PickledGear]

I certainly hope they don't turn the HoF into another Hawke disaster in DA:I dlc or henceforth. Hawke had character in DA2, then they threw that away in inquisition. 

 

The Hawke that players created and melded during the course of DA2 was oversimplified into the one Hawke persona we saw in Here lies the Abyss. 

 

As far as actual HoF dlc is concerned, I would like a mix between inquisitor and HoF for the PC. I can't imagine either becoming NPC's, it would just ruin people's tastes for their characters. 

They could possibly let the player control both? Perhaps something similar to Star Wars TOR where each characters conversational moments can be chosen? Although that would be extremely difficult to try and preform. Although interesting if both characters were opposites. A nice warden with a jerk inquisitor. So many variables with that though.

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

I certainly hope they don't turn the HoF into another Hawke disaster in DA:I dlc or henceforth. Hawke had character in DA2, then they threw that away in inquisition. 

 

The Hawke that players created and melded during the course of DA2 was oversimplified into the one Hawke persona we saw in Here lies the Abyss. 

 

As far as actual HoF dlc is concerned, I would like a mix between inquisitor and HoF for the PC. I can't imagine either becoming NPC's, it would just ruin people's tastes for their characters. 

 

Yeah, a concurrently-running story for the Inquisitor and HoF for a DLC/expansion could be interesting. Maybe have some sort of setup where the Warden follows up on their 'If I find anything that might be of use, I'll let you know immediately.' in their letter, and have the Inquisitor head off to find them, making it one of those investigation sort of stories where the Inquisitor finds places the Warden seems to have been, and when you do you warp over to the HoF and play as her for a bit. They wouldn't even have to meet at any point, really, meaning neither would have to be an NPC in the eyes of the other. Leliana totally would have to meet them again though, cause that'd be an enormous wasted opportunity. 

 

Kinda like what The Witcher 3 is doing with Geralt and Ciri. Inquisitor is absolutely still the main character, but the Warden is a big part of it too. 

 

A decent ending for the Warden that doesn't leave a humongous question like 'can you actually cure the Calling?!?!' hanging in the air, unable to be headcanoned around lest something awful happen in the future, think of something equivalent for ultimate sacrifice Wardens to do, and bam. 

 

Probably never going to happen, but hey, it's fun to think about. In any event I hope they do something.

[PickledGear]

Yeah, a concurrently-running story for the Inquisitor and HoF for a DLC/expansion could be interesting. Maybe have some sort of setup where the Warden follows up on their 'If I find anything that might be of use, I'll let you know immediately.' in their letter, and have the Inquisitor head off to find them, making it one of those investigation sort of stories where the Inquisitor finds places the Warden seems to have been, and when you do you warp over to the HoF and play as her for a bit. They wouldn't even have to meet at any point, really, meaning neither would have to be an NPC in the eyes of the other. Leliana totally would have to meet them again though, cause that'd be an enormous wasted opportunity. 

 

Kinda like what The Witcher 3 is doing with Geralt and Ciri. 

 

A decent ending for the Warden that doesn't leave a humongous question like 'can you actually cure the Calling?!?!' hanging in the air, and bam. 

 

Probably never going to happen, but hey, it's fun to think about. 

 

Can always headcanon? I like to think my Inquisitor goes out to help my Warden after Corypheus is dealt with. Then they become best buds after their whole ordeal they go through. Warden stays at Skyhold while Leliana continues to play spymaster until they can find an good replacement for her.

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

Can always headcanon? I like to think my Inquisitor goes out to help my Warden after Corypheus is dealt with. Then they become best buds after their whole ordeal they go through. Warden stays at Skyhold while Leliana continues to play spymaster until they can find an good replacement for her.

 

Eh, as I've said, I find it a bit difficult to leave it to headcanon when the implications if the Warden succeeds are so huge. If they'd just revealed she/he was down in the Deep Roads investigating some irrelevant Warden thing, and planning on returning shortly I could...but not when they're on a voyage beyond the borders of known Thedas, searching for a way to cure the major drawback of being a Warden. That's a pretty gigantic lore-bomb if they find a way, and really feels like something that'll be covered in the future. Thus, I'm a little bit...unsure what to make of the Warden's fate, honestly. It's not really conclusive or open-ended, it just feels like a hook for something as of now.

[ashlover mark 2]

Eh, as I've said, I find it a bit difficult to leave it to headcanon when the implications if the Warden succeeds are so huge. If they'd just revealed she/he was down in the Deep Roads investigating some irrelevant Warden thing, and planning on returning shortly I could...but not when they're on a voyage beyond the borders of known Thedas, searching for a way to cure the major drawback of being a Warden. That's a pretty gigantic lore-bomb if they find a way, and really feels like something that'll be covered in the future. Thus, I'm a little bit...unsure what to make of the Warden's fate, honestly. It's not really conclusive or open-ended, it just feels like a hook for something as of now.

I think they avoided useing the "off on Warden business" excuse because they already used it for a Grey Warden Bethany. But you are right, it is way to big of a plot to be brought up and then dismissed. If Biowares sole intent was to simply get the Warden as far away from Ferelden as possible -- I think they went with to big of an  excuse. Now, we all want to see and help the HOF succeed.

 

If this Hypothetical 'Cure The Warden Calling ' DLC does indeed come to pass; fingers crossed that Leliana is made into a companion once again.

[dsl08002]

I think they avoided useing the "off on Warden business" excuse because they already used it for a Grey Warden Bethany. But you are right, it is way to big of a plot to be brought up and then dismissed. If Biowares sole intent was to simply get the Warden as far away from Ferelden as possible -- I think they went with to big of an  excuse. Now, we all want to see and help the HOF succeed.
 
If this Hypothetical 'Cure The Warden Calling ' DLC does indeed come to pass; fingers crossed that Leliana is made into a companion once again.

Also depending on the letter you get from the HoF he/she sounds selfish hunting down this cure, because it sounds personal. If it was then you would drop everything you were doing and head to skyhold.

Which is why i hope that its more complicated than that, that the search for cure is partially true or a ruse but that there is a much bigger plot behind it all.

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

You mean the Warden should have turned around and headed back to help?

 

Honestly if I was Leliana I'd insist the Warden stay as far away from Orlais and Ferelden as physically possible for a while. Cause, well, Corypheus. Especially after discovering what he does to Wardens when he 'dies.' I imagine seeing your lover sprouting a Cory-arm as they're ripped apart from the inside-out would be an unpleasant experience. 

 

Probably a good thing they were AWOL, for everyone's sake.

[ashlover mark 2]

Pfft. The HOF would have ejected Corypheus' ass the second he tried to takeover. The HOF is THAT badass!

[MissDragon]

There is a cure...somewhere. They just have to find it.

[Serza]

Pfft. The HOF would have ejected Corypheus' ass the second he tried to takeover. The HOF is THAT badass!

 

"Corypheus tried to take over the Hero of Ferelden. He died after he reclaimed the body, transferred to his original look, and then the Hero of Ferelden did exactly the same thing to him."

[LadyStoneheart]

You mean the Warden should have turned around and headed back to help?

 

Honestly if I was Leliana I'd insist the Warden stay as far away from Orlais and Ferelden as physically possible for a while. Cause, well, Corypheus. Especially after discovering what he does to Wardens when he 'dies.' I imagine seeing your lover sprouting a Cory-arm as they're ripped apart from the inside-out would be an unpleasant experience. 

 

Oh... I hadn't thought of that. Now I'm glad we didn't get too many details on future!Thedas during In Hushed Whispers 

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

Oh... I hadn't thought of that. Now I'm glad we didn't get too many details on future!Thedas during In Hushed Whispers 

 

Y'know I've actually always wondered what happened to the Warden in that alternate timeline. At the same time I really don't want to know, I'll assume it's horrible.

 

Probably got drained of Warden blood for Alexius' Blight tests or something, or forcibly possessed right in front of Leliana to - 

 

Waaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh *smacks self on the forehead* Bad thoughts.

[Korva]

I don't think there'll be a Warden DLC, seeing as how the Warden can be dead. Who is going to fill their role in the DLC plot then? No other character could have the same personal/emotional appeal for the players. Not to mention that even if my Warden wasn't dead, I'd prefer Bioware to keep their hands off her. It's never a good idea to turn a protagonist into a NPC ... or to give too much details on a former protagonist in a later game. That just ends up ticking people off because it will inevitably clash with their own established ideas.

 

I'm still incredibly annoyed at what they did with Revan. And many DA2-players hate how Hawke acts in Inquisition.

[PickledGear]

Y'know I've actually always wondered what happened to the Warden in that alternate timeline. At the same time I really don't want to know, I'll assume it's horrible.

 

Probably got drained of Warden blood for Alexius' Blight tests or something, or forcibly possessed right in front of Leliana to - 

 

Waaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh *smacks self on the forehead* Bad thoughts.

Oof I remember seeing a fan comic of something like that, where they are torturing the warden in front of Leliana to get her to spill information and at the end she breaks. Also been doodling Leliana with different "styles" (I say styles because it isn't all that different then my normal way of drawing just a slight change.) Here is one of them. Some hoodless posing. Not a final piece just a rough sketch.

[AWTEW]

Not to mention if Alistair is Kieran's father and you've got Fiona there too.

 

Actually, throw in Hawke, who could've known or been in a relationship with several of the Warden's companions, and Varric's next book is all but writing itself.

 

 

Oh, that sounds vaguely familiar. Showing a bit of concern is something, at least. Especially coming from Morrigan when she doesn't really know the Inquisitor that well.

 

And that fanart! I so wanted a conversation or something between them about the dress I think there's something (indirectly) about it, something like a messenger saying her son picked it and Leliana saying he's got good taste. Or perhaps it's in the code but not the final game? I'm not sure.

 

 

Here are, all, of the dialogue possibilities for a living female warden/did the ritual/ morrigans personal quest. 

 

 

Here is the dialogue:

 

Morrigan"One thing that makes me curious: did you encounter the hero of feralden at adamant fortress?

 

 

Top  response (Im sorry)

Middle Response (It was very chaotic)

bottom response(Not that I know off)

Investigate option: (You knew her?)

 

If you choose all of the above 'choices'  after the investigate option then will get you the same reply:

 

Morrigan: ' She is not the sort of woman to fade into the background, if she was there, then you would have known.'

 

If however you don't pick the investigate option, and then choose the bottom last option, you get this:

 

Morrigan: When the Champion of Kirkwall mentioned a Grey-Warden ally. I assumed it would be she. It was afterall, just the sought of thing she would involve herself in. But that begs the question:  if the hero of feralden was not at adamant, where is she? My suggestion? Track her down.She could be a great aid against corypheu s or a terrible foe to the inquisition

 

 Intrestingly, doing it this way will unlock the ' Contact the hero of Feralden Operation',  when I would normally get it from romanced Lelliana.

 

 If you pick the investigate Option then you get this:

 

Inquisitor: Was  the Hero of Feralden a friend of yours?

 

 Morrigan: We traveled together during that time she fought the blight.. She helped me I helped her. Indeed without her help my son might not have been born.Regardless, did you see her?"

 

(All of these dialogue possibilities were  taken directly from the game, recorded on paper, and typed on P.C. Courtesy of yous truly-ATEW   )

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

I always like how you draw her, PickledGear. Reminds me that someone needs to make a hoodless Leliana mod ASAP.

I don't think there'll be a Warden DLC, seeing as how the Warden can be dead. Who is going to fill their role in the DLC plot then? No other character could have the same personal/emotional appeal for the players. Not to mention that even if my Warden wasn't dead, I'd prefer Bioware to keep their hands off her. It's never a good idea to turn a protagonist into a NPC ... or to give too much details on a former protagonist in a later game. That just ends up ticking people off because it will inevitably clash with their own established ideas.

I'm still incredibly annoyed at what they did with Revan. And many DA2-players hate how Hawke acts in Inquisition.

Sure, it'd be difficult to work in an alternative for dead Wardens, but I really don't feel like this is the kind of thing they can just leave hanging. Living Wardens are kind of in limbo right now, with a fate all tied up with a pretty damned significant plot point.

There needs to be something. I suppose there could always be a throwaway codex entry or something next game, but that wouldn't be particularly satisfying.

'The Hero of Ferelden! Legendary Grey Warden, vanquisher of the Blight, exploring uncharted lands, searching for a cure to her early death! Awesome, right? Will she succeed? Will she solve the century old problem all Wardens face? Will she come home, get her girl, and be merry? Or does she die a horrible death in the middle of nowhere? Find out next time, in...a tavern rumor that you'll probably miss.'

[Korva]

It's kind of a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation because many players are really hard to satisfy ... especially with regard to anything romance-related. Drop a previous character? How dare you make this great hero irrelevant, they deserve more spotlight time and a happy ending and more sex scenes and marriage and babies with their Twoo Wuv and and and ... Bring them back as an NPC? How dare you twist my character, my character would never do this. Bring them back as a DLC protagonist? Not enough, and how dare you not take choice XYZ into consideration, and where's all the extra-special reunion content with my Twoo Wuv?

 

I'm exaggerating, but only slightly. And I certainly don't exempt myself from being hard to please when it comes to "my" characters (minus the romance bit -- my personal pet peeve is how every platonic bond breaks as soon as the credits roll and the companions scatter to the four corners of the world without ever looking back), which is why I prefer for devs to touch them as little as possible.

[AWTEW]

Eh, if she became Divine in my canon run, I could seeing it crashing and burning down the line sadly. She's making all these huge changes regarding elves, etc...and then she has a Dalish heathen girlfriend, which would give the impression of her reforms having a...very different motivation. Tongues would wag.

I'm not even sure my Warden would want to give her more trouble than she already has. She might just force herself to end it before it brought more pain for them both. Sooner that than a Celene/Briala situation.

Luckily, I never make her Divine. Happy ending ftw.

Hmm...now I'm tempted to write a tragic thing...

 

Do it! Do it!

 

I don't think there'll be a Warden DLC, seeing as how the Warden can be dead. Who is going to fill their role in the DLC plot then? No other character could have the same personal/emotional appeal for the players. Not to mention that even if my Warden wasn't dead, I'd prefer Bioware to keep their hands off her. It's never a good idea to turn a protagonist into a NPC ... or to give too much details on a former protagonist in a later game. That just ends up ticking people off because it will inevitably clash with their own established ideas.

 

I'm still incredibly annoyed at what they did with Revan. And many DA2-players hate how Hawke acts in Inquisition.

 

Hawkes change in personality came out of nowhere..Like the sudden hate of the wardens..it's like there is a big chunk of context missing..here. It also really bothers me, that the divine always use 'brave warden' and not their names. I'm heavily inclined to believe, that the HOF was meant to be there.

[wright1978]

I don't think there'll be a Warden DLC, seeing as how the Warden can be dead. Who is going to fill their role in the DLC plot then? No other character could have the same personal/emotional appeal for the players. Not to mention that even if my Warden wasn't dead, I'd prefer Bioware to keep their hands off her. It's never a good idea to turn a protagonist into a NPC ... or to give too much details on a former protagonist in a later game. That just ends up ticking people off because it will inevitably clash with their own established ideas.

 

I'm still incredibly annoyed at what they did with Revan. And many DA2-players hate how Hawke acts in Inquisition.

 

Agree completely. Been wondering if they might deal with calling in Comics, allowing them to base it on their canon using Alistair. Future games could reference events, including the live warden where applicable in place of Alistair.

[TheLittleBird]

Ever since people speculated that you might be able to play as Hawke during the time he/she was present in Inquisition I've been wondering why BioWare didn't allow for that option.

 

Sure, I get it, this is supposed to be the Inquisitor's story, but it seems like this would have been the right way to deal with a previous protagonist, especially one who can be roleplayed as extensively as Hawke. Now don't get me wrong, I liked my Hawke in Inquisition and didn't feel she was acting out-of-character, but I can see where a lot of people might have felt that way.

 

I do hope they learn from the feedback on the Hawke-thing and do things differently if and when we get to meet the Warden again. Because honestly, after the revelation about what the Warden is doing during Inquisition, I really can't see them not resolving it.

[Wulfram]

They could just let it happen off screen and then deal with the consequences of the cure on screen.

Though I rather question whether all HoF's would want to cure the joining. It seems like it's liable to effectively destroy the Wardens, since it's basically what holds them together, and what justifies the Right of Conscription.

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

Well, the question is if the Warden is trying to remove the taint, including all its benefits, from themselves entirely or just the early death part.

If it's the latter, don't see how that wouldn't be of benefit to the Wardens. They just removed the only drawback. Though it appears the HoF was doing it more for personal reasons than Warden reasons.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Ever since people speculated that you might be able to play as Hawke during the time he/she was present in Inquisition I've been wondering why BioWare didn't allow for that option.

 

Sure, I get it, this is supposed to be the Inquisitor's story, but it seems like this would have been the right way to deal with a previous protagonist, especially one who can be roleplayed as extensively as Hawke. Now don't get me wrong, I liked my Hawke in Inquisition and didn't feel she was acting out-of-character, but I can see where a lot of people might have felt that way.

 

I do hope they learn from the feedback on the Hawke-thing and do things differently if and when we get to meet the Warden again. Because honestly, after the revelation about what the Warden is doing during Inquisition, I really can't see them not resolving it.

While I understand the desire to play as Hawke, I wonder where it would fit within the game as it stands. The Fade? Crestwood? Some off-screen event that has nothing to do with the ongoing story? I think if there was to be an option to play as Hawke, it would have to actually mean something. In all the aforementioned instances where playing as Hawke might have been possible, it literally wouldn't change anything besides having someone other than your usual party to control.